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alienallan
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« on: March 31, 2011, 01:30:38 AM »

hello everyone!  from yet another newbie coming along the flash-path.

i've really read a load of post for the past 3 days, here, on mac-rumors, hardmac and all sorts of other tons of pages, i've bookmarked by the tons. All in hope of gathering the courage=knowledge to go out and buy myself the decent priced 5870 available locally (pcversion ofc).
I friggin hope you guys can understand how froggin confusing it can get for a new dude, to gather info googling: "flash 5870 for mac pro 2008". Some places say : "hell they work natively with Lion" for my setup atleast, others say it cant be done and so on for a month of reading.     Ive also read plenty of threads that state 5870 isnt the card to get, due to the more issues in compared to the newer 6870's. Others swear by it.        Im recognizing some of your names in different forums and gettin a feel of where to ask....So Super looong high story short :  Here i am asking.

Granted ive build some pcs in my life, always owned computers and apples, well since my first appleIIc atleast.... However ...in the case of buying a new card for an early 2008  ...  will a saphire 5870hd work ? (its dual dvi + hdmi)  Can i use the xtra dvd powercord with the converter? and what the hell do i have todo otherwise?

otherwise simply put...which card would you advise as the easyest for a guy like me to get working in osx in the 2008 mac pro?  (other than apples...ofc)

so many questions when yer actually looking for the simplest answer :  tell me what to do.

I guess i should also mention, my nv8800 burned out, so this card will be the only card i have...however ive understood i can boot windows withit in anycase.

Will it work guys? is it worth it?  or screw that card and get  ....   " ? " 


thanx for having me.  Grin   god almighty the more i read the more im gettin fuzed  Shocked

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 01:57:55 AM »

i guess im trying to gather some conclusion :  For example, Cindori states in his blog that the 6870 works natively in the macpro with 10.6.7.

if this is the case thats the card a dude like me should be getting.  Now is this confirmed? 

Thanx again everyone, ill be glad to donate for help when i get this jazz sorted out Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2011, 09:23:19 PM »

I'd like to help you mate I really would but I don't own a proper mac so can only tell you what works for me on a hackintosh and that's no guarantee that it's going to work on a real mac.
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The 6870 will 'currently' work using the 10.6.7 mbp 2011 drivers however there are issues - dvd player, geekbench and steam games I believe will all crash so it's not 100% and consider that Apple may well break what currently works in future!
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 02:34:14 AM »

oh hell man THANX for answering though XD ... it helped once i read through almost every page the third time XD

Starting to grasp it now & also gettin the point that: in the end the question i asked, is pretty much what we're all after Tongue ..infact, shortly put : " What Works Best?"

Well, i did get caught by all this & yesterday grabbed myself a 5870 and started farkin with the rom (backed-up ofc).
My brother opted for the 6870.

Well its true that he did just throw it on the board (after cursing for 2 hours), turned his mac on, then freaked as there indeed was no loading screen, then started wooing with joy once the desktop loaded. He's running 10.7 developer and still has'nt experienced any issues (other than what u&others mentioned already). Who knows how long it'll last, but if apple were as crappy as to "make it un-so" in the next update, that would seriously make me reconsider non-apple, the next time i buy tower hardware.

As for the 5870 i got the vortex, same specs as the other guys, followed the guidez, did something wrong for about 4 hours....took a break, smoked a...smoke..went back to it with a new head...and was granted my Grandious moment of "Woo-ing" as my desktop loaded, with a more silent card than my bro's, and apparently benchmarking noticeably better.

we're both on 2008's 16gig.
Im running  10.6.7

In ANY case.... what it comes down to is : as much as someone wants to whine bout the time it takes to not only grasp "how-to", but also actually get the card running... Spending the time todo so , ...saving 150bongloads of cash gettin a non mac card (using 10 of those loads to install the card) , and experiencing the Beauty of This visual upgrade on an old machine ...is friggin well worth every bit of it! Not to mention i've convinced myself this card is better than apples stock (let me keep my brother believing that atleast!).

So... Thanx a Google for the insites!

oh! btw, i have this apple raid card layin around....i wounder if and how all this would perform on a raid 5 or 0(+1) ...anyone tried it?

OH!  and hey All you Pros  ...Thanx for sharing! Makes the net worthwhile, some day ill be rich and be more than glad to donate.

respects
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 02:38:29 AM »

wheres donate?  i did try search
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 12:21:24 PM »

Well im gonna try and see if i dont get completely ignored...dont get me wrong i know how it is dealing with newbie dudes like meself....just, this is the only godblessed place i find online, that Actually has members, that are proving to KNOW what theyre talking about....for once.

Running into you guys has brought a lot of interest to the local group of mac pro user around here.
We've spent all night at the pub chatting about it and trying to grasp the idea (we're all audio guys..oh yea and gamers ofc)

2 of the guys just ordered these two cards off ebay ...before they found out "we" (YouGuys) could flash them "ourselves"(Thanx to You Guys!). Thanx to you pro's my brother & i have "jealousy" status with our cards already. The other guys ordered the 2 cards i linked below.

So, we have a question (nooo he has a question!) ...will these cards work as promised? or; are they some thieves stealing your roms and reselling them? if so, we believe in supporting the source around here and would prolly send em back.

http://viewitem.eim.ebay.dk/Mac-Pro-Video-Card-ATI-Sapphire-VaporX-HD5870-1GB-OC/320679070407/item

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-ATI-Radeon-HD-5870-1GB-Video-Card-Apple-Mac-Pro-/130452024006?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item1e5f8beac6#ht_5227wt_1141

the vortex is exactly like mine in any case.

Ive not had much a chance to test my card for hours on end in games,  so i figure ask you guy Once Again..... will the only limitations be the boot screen and games from the likes of steam?  Out of the box osx games will perform as were it a stock card?

Id hate to advise anyone, when what i advise is un-precise second knowledge, i have gathered a few days over the net & only partially understand.

p.s the only place we found to donate some pennies was on cindoris site....so we did....really just pennies...we're the usual broke audio farmers.

edit: i have to "waiste" these letters on Roms Carlsberg comment and agree : "Danish Lokal Carlsberg just IS better Smiley !"

thankyouthankyou....thank you

...donated a wittle tad on cindoris site
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 12:24:32 PM »

or hell from roms findings im starting to think the gtx4.. 's would be the "way"...
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 01:43:48 PM »

Ive not had much a chance to test my card for hours on end in games,  so i figure ask you guy Once Again..... will the only limitations be the boot screen and games from the likes of steam?  Out of the box osx games will perform as were it a stock card?

I don't have a real mac to compare to so can't help you with a performance comparison.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 03:02:36 PM »

Netkas has figured out why Geekbench etc. are crashing, and apparently it is an easy fix. He is a genius. (lol)

Otherwise, the cards will perform identically to an Apple one. The only difference is the way they boot up.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 11:22:04 AM »

Netkas has figured out why Geekbench etc. are crashing, and apparently it is an easy fix. He is a genius. (lol)

Otherwise, the cards will perform identically to an Apple one. The only difference is the way they boot up.
  W O O O O O T ! ! !

ok im an idiot and i cant find the page with this new rom on it :/

where is it?
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 12:30:30 PM »

Netkas has figured out why Geekbench etc. are crashing, and apparently it is an easy fix. He is a genius. (lol)

Otherwise, the cards will perform identically to an Apple one. The only difference is the way they boot up.

Scuse me who exactly figured that out?  Embarrassed

Here's a clue... http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,729.135.html
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 02:43:19 PM »

credit given where credit may be deserved XD
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 02:53:21 PM »

ok we're 8 people locally working on mac pro 2008's  (same models purchased the same time for the entire team).

5 of the nvidia8800 cards burned out within 2 weeks of each other.

..seriously...is this a friggin coincidence or is there some mystical reasoning behind this? ...one of the guys thinks it could be: "yee-ol' urban-legend mini-software-designed-to kill it-after-so-long".   Ridiculous i know...but farkin hell...5/8 cards in 2 weeks?

in anycase, one of the girls card burned out and the poor thing cant get a new one before 14 days. Ive tried throwing my flashed card (which i run in 10.6.7) in her MP, but unfortunatly nothing. This makes me think she has'nt updated in a long while. So i figure screen share, update & throw my card in her comp and get myself a new one. Would be easy but i cant access it (with her admin login info) ; which makes me believe she has the sharing options turned off.  Again, i can see the mac on the netwrok, but cant access it to upgrade it.  Is there ANY way around this other than putting a stock card in ?   (the other guys live on the other side of the country, otherwise yes id use theyre cards)

Thanx again and thanx for "letting" me invade the forum.

much respects
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 06:07:35 PM »

If her Mac Pro is oldOS, Tiger or Leopard and out of date drivers are running the GFX you will need to install a Mac GFX card to get it back to visible.
A HD2600XT 256mb was the original fitting previous to the 8800GT. Either of them will work if you have one available, or the replacement for them will too the GT120. Once you have it back, update to the latest Snow Leopard and start looking for a better card to replace the donor.

I have an old HD2600XT and a 8800GT for exactly this purpose.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 06:48:46 PM »

aaah k, so theres no way around it, other than gettin a cheapo "backup-apple-card" ... well, probably wise to have a backup laying around anyhow.

thnx for sparing me the time, of keep trying to "hack" in somehow  Smiley
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