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Author Topic: High Sierra and The Nvidia Web Driver  (Read 39099 times)
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« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2018, 04:59:59 PM »

New CUDA available through system Prefs

And here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-cuda-387.178-driver.html

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« Reply #196 on: April 05, 2018, 04:33:42 PM »

I upgraded to 10.13.4 with the  nvidia web drivers and still opencl on only one gpu.
Nvidia still has no time frame to fix any Mac bugs.
Might just be time to go Radeon or Windows.
Also 1080 runs about 25% slower under 10.13.4 than 10.12.?
Not sure on energy use. I have to spend some time on that.
Anyhow I am not at all happy with Nvidia on the Mac anymore.


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« Reply #197 on: April 05, 2018, 05:58:10 PM »

Also 1080 runs about 25% slower under 10.13.4 than 10.12.?

That's a new one one on me,  I have noticed no such thing.  I just ran Valley and it was a small bit faster than 10.12.

Not sure on energy use. I have to spend some time on that.

I run a UPS with a readout that monitors my systems load.  No change.  My Gigabyte Gaming G1 GTX 1080 has one 4 pin power connector.

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« Reply #198 on: April 05, 2018, 05:58:32 PM »

Interesting I need to compare my GTX Titan X, maybe it's only Pascal issue.
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« Reply #199 on: April 05, 2018, 08:49:40 PM »

Also 1080 runs about 25% slower under 10.13.4 than 10.12.?
I am running setti on boinc and about 25% slower. Just a rough quess though.
I assume relative lower power. Just too lazy right now to analyze everything.
I may just downgrade to OS 10.12.

That's a new one one on me,  I have noticed no such thing.  I just ran Valley and it was a small bit faster than 10.12.

Not sure on energy use. I have to spend some time on that.

I run a UPS with a readout that monitors my systems load.  No change.  My Gigabyte Gaming G1 GTX 1080 has one 4 pin power connector.

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« Reply #200 on: April 05, 2018, 09:13:42 PM »

I just Benchmark my 1080Ti (PNY XLR8, so, basically a reference card) in 10.13.4 with the 387.10.10.10.30.103 web driver. The performance looks pretty good to me.

I never run this card with Sierra, so no direct comparison available. However, I still agree with lowrider that 25% performance penalty doesn't generally exist in High Sierra. It should be something else.

If my card can gain another 33% performance (25% hit in HS = 33% gain in Sierra) in 10.12.6. I will downgrade my system now.


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« Reply #201 on: April 05, 2018, 09:26:59 PM »

Is that benchmark with Cuda?
I am running setti opencl and it is slower. Just to lazy for an exact amount.

I just Benchmark my 1080Ti (PNY XLR8, so, basically a reference card) in 10.13.4 with the 387.10.10.10.30.103 web driver. The performance looks pretty good to me.

I never run this card with Sierra, so no direct comparison available. However, I still agree with lowrider that 25% performance penalty doesn't generally exist in High Sierra. It should be something else.

If my card can gain another 33% performance (25% hit in HS = 33% gain in Sierra) in 10.12.6. I will downgrade my system now.
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« Reply #202 on: April 05, 2018, 09:34:14 PM »

Nvm checked your benchmark and it is opencl.
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« Reply #203 on: April 06, 2018, 02:40:47 AM »

Hopefully Nvidia fixes the colored windows bug as well as the issue where lower card in a cMP doesn’t load properly. (Has solid white dock)

2 Nvidia cards via eGPU don’t show this issues in 10.13.4.

OpenCl fix for multiple cards would be nice too .
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« Reply #204 on: April 12, 2018, 08:26:08 PM »

How about if everyone here bitches to Nvidia tech support to fix there Mac drivers with the added benifit of our help and support? 
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« Reply #205 on: April 12, 2018, 09:17:25 PM »

I'm seeing people on macgaming and hackintosh reddit and TonyMac all losing faith in nvidia and starting to recommend and even switch to AMD GPUs as of 10.13.4. The person with a 1080ti that switche to a Vega 64 made me cringe. Such a waste.

I personally still prefer nvidia GPUs but I'm lucky/unlucky enough to be on an old cpu not affected by all the bugs drivers introduce for newer systems.

I do have faith nvidia will address issues eventually but also am sure that since apple/official hardware isn't affected it's not on top of their todo list. Hackintosh and eGPU support are nice things but not a huge business model/priority i imagine.
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« Reply #206 on: April 13, 2018, 09:09:06 AM »

Hi All,

I read the whole topic to find a possible solution for my bad nVidia 1080Ti experience, mainly since Sierra / High Sierra. As noticed by members in the hackintosch scene recently on TonyMacX86 / InsanelyMac the nVidia drivers are terrible. Special the latest are almost unusable. Fallback to older versions will help but to some point they will cause problems too because they are old and not intent to be used on the latest MacOS versions.

At this moment I'm using an old version of the nVidia drivers : 378.10.10.10.25.106 together with two options "System Preferences / Accessibility / Display / Reduce Motion + Reduce Transparency the GUI responds more snappy and to some point even to an almost acceptable experience. Also Cuda performance is very good 12200GB / Host to Device and reverse. The issue looks to be GUI related only.

I am still looking to a possible solution or to find out why the hell the experience is so bad. So I bought an old R9 280X to be added in my hack. I was unlucky because the card did only one good Valley bench and after it failed and caused artefacts so this card is dead. The card was performing perfectly without issues but again its no party against the 1080Ti when it comes to gaming which I also do on my Hack from time to time. Also struggling with many GPU's in a system is also far from comfortable. I also considered to move to AMD Vega 64 but I'm to spoiled with the 1080Ti if we are talking to gaming performance in windows, especially when it comes to 4K gaming.

After reading this topic I came to a few conclusions.

  • Best is to stick to MacPro5,1 SMBios definition. This definition is supported by the nVidia WebDrivers. Other SMBios definitions are unsure to work as they should.
  • The main reason of lags can be narrowed to the latest CPU's like Skylake and newer or in combination with mainboards with the latest chipsets to drive these CPU's

Do I forget things here ˆˆˆ?

I also read comments from guys in this topic that they are fully comfortable with the drivers and don't experience any lags at all with 10xx or specific with the 1080Ti. Are they indeed on older CPU / Mainboards?
Do I miss something, and is there something to be the "Golden Tip" to solve my issue?

Because eGPU's are officially supported more people will throw in a GPU in an enclosure to profit from extra external GPU performances. Although Apple has announced that only AMD will be supported there is a chance
that nVidia will provide better drivers that their cards are supported as well. I hope this brings better drivers for us, hackintoshers as well!.

 
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« Reply #207 on: April 13, 2018, 11:13:33 AM »


All those updates, OS or NVIDIA side, and the "2.5 GT/s" bug remains. Probably it's here to stay.
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« Reply #208 on: April 13, 2018, 11:17:50 AM »

Also 1080 runs about 25% slower under 10.13.4 than 10.12.?

That's a new one one on me,  I have noticed no such thing.  I just ran Valley and it was a small bit faster than 10.12.

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Lou

Valley yields slightly better results with my 980 too. Still, with luxmark, the "hotel lobby" scene, always fails.
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« Reply #209 on: April 14, 2018, 01:54:38 PM »

Hi All,

... possible solution for my bad nVidia 1080Ti experience, mainly since Sierra / High Sierra. .. recently on TonyMacX86 / InsanelyMac the nVidia drivers are terrible. Special the latest are almost unusable.

Have you tried "NvidiaGraphicsFixup" with Lilu?

Check back at IM and TM for latest development. Extra step, but 'seems' to have fixed performance with latest drivers and OS.
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