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Author Topic: Incredible news for MacOs users !  (Read 2966 times)
DarthnVader
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 05:08:56 PM »

This deserves it's own thread.

One of the reasons I have HATED the recent direction of Apple was I could see where the road headed.

During cMP years, they kept a gazillion cards in the drivers because they left the option open that one day they MIGHT want to support those cards.

One day several years ago Netkas & I were picking through the Quadro 4000 EFI and it was obvious it had been written FIRST for the GTX480. And OS X had drivers for GTX480. All we had to do was switch a couple things and BINGO it was a fully 100% supported OS X card. (I remember the moment when the size of this hit me)

Same thing for Hackintosh users, they didn't even need a Mac EFI.

When Apple intro'd the nMP they cut us all off at the pass. Why include a GTX1080 driver when you already know that it isn't in ANYTHING you sell? They then started pruning the drivers down. They stopped including new Nvidia cards starting with GTX780Ti and Titan Black. From those cards forward, Nvidia had to do all the work, and host drivers on their servers. Their tech support department had to copy & paste a script that said "We don't support those cards" whenever someone flubbed the driver install because they couldn't claim support of any type.

So Apple had us. They were going to eventually only include the drivers for cards they were shipping TODAY. Look what happened with AMD 480. (What's old is new again, huh? At least in GPU names) At first it was fairly easily hacked to work. But now it takes more work, and another hack to make all the shader cores wake up.

Here was the message they were sending their users:

"We make middling, but beautifully designed machines. They are thin and gorgeous, just don't ask too much of them. And we want top dollar for these wafer thin supermodels."

They forgot that the reason some people pay TOP DOLLAR is to get work done. They don't give a rat's ass what it looks like, they just want to go home early when their render is finished, not sit in the office after dark while their gorgeous trash can spins it's 2011 era GPUs into a frenzy.

It feels like the "Thin & Beautiful" crowd finally lost the "Ultimate Purpose" argument. Apple's "alternative facts" caught up with them.

And yes, I feel vindicated. I spent months battling with a horde of Apple Appologists and AMD sycophants barraging the world with their version of reality. A guy driving around on five flats boasted of a new era where Apple would offer plentiful GPU upgrades since the GPU was held in with Torx security screws. ("the most user friendly standard screw available", anyone remember that?)

So, it was ALL a bunch of bullshit. The nMP was exactly everything I said it was starting in fall of 2013. I was right 4 years ago, and today FINALLY Apple admitted it. (You'll note the team of APPologists vanished in last year or so)

So, if they are going to offer upgradeable GPUs again, we can hope they include a PCIE slot and space for regular cards. And if so, we all stand to benefit. With any luck Nvidia will follow this great news with Pascal drivers. (Pretty Please? We've already got a working EFI)

But even for Hackintoshers this is good news. Apple will have to return to leaving driver options in the OS. Less hacking, more working GPUs.

It's a Win/Win.

Dave, do you think any cMP will show any real benefit from this new card vs the Titan you already have?

I just don't think a cMP could hit the fill rate, but at least you'll have drivers for the newer nVidia cards. So hopefully you and netkas can come up with some EFI firmwares for the lesser mid range budget cards, that would fit the price/performance ratio, and the cMP could hit the fill rate.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2017, 02:03:19 AM »

Pascal drivers are out! ...and they're not beta drivers.

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/378/WebDriver-378.05.05.05f01.pkg
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