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Author Topic: Incredible news for MacOs users !  (Read 2112 times)
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« on: April 04, 2017, 07:07:37 PM »

This deserves it's own thread.

One of the reasons I have HATED the recent direction of Apple was I could see where the road headed.

During cMP years, they kept a gazillion cards in the drivers because they left the option open that one day they MIGHT want to support those cards.

One day several years ago Netkas & I were picking through the Quadro 4000 EFI and it was obvious it had been written FIRST for the GTX480. And OS X had drivers for GTX480. All we had to do was switch a couple things and BINGO it was a fully 100% supported OS X card. (I remember the moment when the size of this hit me)

Same thing for Hackintosh users, they didn't even need a Mac EFI.

When Apple intro'd the nMP they cut us all off at the pass. Why include a GTX1080 driver when you already know that it isn't in ANYTHING you sell? They then started pruning the drivers down. They stopped including new Nvidia cards starting with GTX780Ti and Titan Black. From those cards forward, Nvidia had to do all the work, and host drivers on their servers. Their tech support department had to copy & paste a script that said "We don't support those cards" whenever someone flubbed the driver install because they couldn't claim support of any type.

So Apple had us. They were going to eventually only include the drivers for cards they were shipping TODAY. Look what happened with AMD 480. (What's old is new again, huh? At least in GPU names) At first it was fairly easily hacked to work. But now it takes more work, and another hack to make all the shader cores wake up.

Here was the message they were sending their users:

"We make middling, but beautifully designed machines. They are thin and gorgeous, just don't ask too much of them. And we want top dollar for these wafer thin supermodels."

They forgot that the reason some people pay TOP DOLLAR is to get work done. They don't give a rat's ass what it looks like, they just want to go home early when their render is finished, not sit in the office after dark while their gorgeous trash can spins it's 2011 era GPUs into a frenzy.

It feels like the "Thin & Beautiful" crowd finally lost the "Ultimate Purpose" argument. Apple's "alternative facts" caught up with them.

And yes, I feel vindicated. I spent months battling with a horde of Apple Appologists and AMD sycophants barraging the world with their version of reality. A guy driving around on five flats boasted of a new era where Apple would offer plentiful GPU upgrades since the GPU was held in with Torx security screws. ("the most user friendly standard screw available", anyone remember that?)

So, it was ALL a bunch of bullshit. The nMP was exactly everything I said it was starting in fall of 2013. I was right 4 years ago, and today FINALLY Apple admitted it. (You'll note the team of APPologists vanished in last year or so)

So, if they are going to offer upgradeable GPUs again, we can hope they include a PCIE slot and space for regular cards. And if so, we all stand to benefit. With any luck Nvidia will follow this great news with Pascal drivers. (Pretty Please? We've already got a working EFI)

But even for Hackintoshers this is good news. Apple will have to return to leaving driver options in the OS. Less hacking, more working GPUs.

It's a Win/Win.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 08:08:46 PM »

I was first Wink

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,11579.msg36811.html#msg36811

Hurray - MacVidCards will be alive again with some "fresh air" cards Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 08:17:54 PM »

One more thing: they've said Apple will never do displays again and now they've announced working on "a pro display that works with the system". Finally, maybe some non-glare displays Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2017, 08:38:48 PM »

Yup, super excited to see Mac Pro go with a different direction Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2017, 08:48:27 PM »

Me too! Finally ... actually I was very very worried about being forced to go to windows ... ugh!

So I will keep my Hack for another year and I am very curious with what they come up then.

But apparently it seems to be a "classic" PC again, at least that is what "modular" implies to me.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2017, 09:10:41 PM »

I'm curious to see how they handle Thunderbolt support this time. I highly doubt they'll do an external "ThunderboltEX 3"-like solution, which would enable standard PCIE GPUs.

Not sure if it would be possible to grab the video through PCIE and inject it into the TB stream? Otherwise we'd end up with proprietary hardware again, even if it's "modular". I wouldn't get too excited about the nnMP yet, Apple has disappointed us way too often in the past years.

It's definitely good news for Hackintosh users, as the nnMP will clearly bring us Skylake-X and Vega support, maybe even Pascal/Volta.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2017, 09:36:56 PM »

Even the latest MXM would have been better than what they used.

You can get full fat 980 in MXM, so 2015 ERA GPU could be in there today had they used MXM.

And note, MXM has video output via the slot, so could work with TB quite easily.

I am worried that they'll somehow try to keep it "Mac Only", whether it be via EFI, or fan design, or power connector.

But lets look at that as challenges we can hopefully overcome. The nMP 6,1 left us little to work with.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2017, 03:09:26 AM »

All great, but it's a MINIMUM 12-month wait and more probably 18 months. A LOT can happen in that time frame.

I REALLY hope Schiller is not in charge of this—the nMP was a fail and the touch-bar MacBook Pro has not been a hit-it-out-of-the-ballpark design with pro users. Two fails is not "courage", it's lost the plot.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2017, 10:32:02 AM »

At least let's wait for the new iMac with NVIDIA option. It will be released this year.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2017, 04:05:48 PM »

Hallelujah.

"Full length GPU" (single) was mentioned.

Apple probably still like compact - I'm calling a Dan-Case like box with two GPU's (side by side) and the motherboard on top.

Bodes well for Hacks too - now that everyone and their dog can do it  Roll Eyes -  'natively' keeping pace with whatever the chipset after X99 is. (SkylakeX/KabyX/CoffeeX Lake "X299/LGA 2066"?).

Phew.

... "APPologist". Heh.

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2017, 11:24:39 PM »

I wonder if they put dual CPU ever again. Probably not - too much heat and the whole machine would be too big.

Single GPU means weaker power supply, they will always look for a GPU which has the best power/performance ratio - GTX1080 or RX480 would be a perfect candidates for this year.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2017, 08:51:56 PM »

following 2018 there will be absolutely new Mac Pro.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2017, 09:24:15 PM »

The price for the 2018 Mac Pro probably will be quite astounding, hopefully it's not going to exceed the 6,1 MP price by that much.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2017, 01:33:34 PM »

following 2018 there will be absolutely new Mac Pro.

Probably early 2019: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/constant-negativity-from-pro-users-led-apple-to-develop-modular-mac-pro-which-may-not-ship-until-2019.2040653/

Does that new Mac Pro is marked as Early 2017 or it's the same Late 2013?
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2017, 04:47:14 AM »

following 2018 there will be absolutely new Mac Pro.

Probably early 2019: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/constant-negativity-from-pro-users-led-apple-to-develop-modular-mac-pro-which-may-not-ship-until-2019.2040653/

Does that new Mac Pro is marked as Early 2017 or it's the same Late 2013?

Technically, available in 2018 - IF Intel release "X299" on time, AND Apple devote the resources to it:

http://wccftech.com/intel-x299-chipset-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x/
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