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Title: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 09, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 09, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Works on my 4,1...which is now a 5,1.

RAM still slow but I will try some other RAM I have.

UPDATE: Even with 1600 speed RAM in it ran at 1066, so either you need to match processors to RAM or I don't have anything worthy.

Thanks, Paul.

Who's got a couple 6 core Westmere's for me to test?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 10, 2011, 02:30:43 AM
The RAM speed is determined by the CPU, and the Mac Pro firmware will not overclock it. If you install the Westmere CPU, and have RAM that is identified as 1333 or higher, it will run and perform at that speed, just like on the 2010 Mac Pro. You may have to do a PRAM reset after the upgrade for this to take effect. (Option-OpenApple-P-R at system boot time). Here is a link for memory that I tested that is a good value and worked perfectly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139268


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 10, 2011, 04:34:20 AM
Yes, after I posted that I remembered the whole "Nehalem has no front side bus" business. CPU chats directly with RAM.

Will be difficult to get Westmeres to test with.

If I'm going to do it, I want to do it right.

Nicely written app, I am surprised that there hasn't been more of a fuss.

Going to mean good things for 2009 values. (from perspective of 2009 owner )


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacVador on May 10, 2011, 06:46:30 AM
Hi,
I have a MacPro 4.1 octocore 2.26 Ghz. So the benefit for me to upgrade the firmware would be to allow me to use more types of processor if I want to upgrade them? Am I correct ?
Which ones for a MacPro 4,1 and which ones for a MacPro 4,1 "upgraded"?
Regards.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 10, 2011, 07:00:58 AM
in theory it would allow you to use the same ones that come in a Mac Pro 5,1...the 6 core Westmeres FI.

And with them, you can in theory use faster RAM as well.

You can "google" the part numbers

EDIT: added screenshot. No, the patch didn't up my RAM, that was me tossing in some faster stuff but finding it stills runs at same speed


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tobyg on May 10, 2011, 07:14:26 AM
Does this allow the ATI 5770 to do audio output over the DisplayPort now?  I noticed on the 2010 Mac Pro with the 5770, under Audio in System Profiler there is a DisplayPort option, but on my 2009 Mac Pro with the 5770, it's missing.  And yes, I have a real Apple 5770.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fairbanx on May 10, 2011, 08:35:48 AM
Nice job. Thanks a lot. Those with W3570/3580 in their MP's should perform this upgrade and post some screenshots. RAM should go up to 1333 MHz (if supported by the RAM).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 10, 2011, 11:22:02 AM
Does this allow the ATI 5770 to do audio output over the DisplayPort now?  I noticed on the 2010 Mac Pro with the 5770, under Audio in System Profiler there is a DisplayPort option, but on my 2009 Mac Pro with the 5770, it's missing.  And yes, I have a real Apple 5770.

I put a real Apple 5870 and a flashed 5770.

Look what showed up under "Audio"


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 10, 2011, 11:40:53 AM
System profiler is kinda liar  here, only lists them, it doesnt check if they work.

Check if you have dp/hdmi audio output in sound prefs


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Amazing stuff! But here's a strange thing, running Mac Pro EFI Update 1.5 (for the 2010 Mac Pro) brings up a 'This software is not supported on your system.' alert box, whilst EFI Update 1.4 (for the 2009 Mac Pro) brings up 'This computer does not need this update.'. So even after applying the EFI Upgrade the Mac Pro is still somehow identifying itself as a 2009 model, despite System Profiler showing 'MacPro5,1'.





Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
Can anyone confirm you can go back to your 2009 EFI? I will be willing to try this with my Mac Pro 2x 3,2 GHz Gainestown - 24 GB RAM (same as listed by netkas) - 120GB OCZ Vertex2 SSD.


-Thanks

P.S. Thank you very much for you work netkas I have been waiting for this for a while. Thanks bud!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bmael on May 10, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
Is there a little soft like this to upgrade 2006 mac pro EFI for 64bit boot ?
I know I'm not on the right place for this question but... I'm just trying. ;)
Sorry :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 01:51:06 PM
Can anyone confirm you can go back to your 2009 EFI?

Yep, I've had no problems going back to the 2009 EFI. It reverts to my original MP41.0081.B07 firmware, just something you need to be aware of in case you have one of those special refurb Mac Pros with the MP41.0081.B08 firmware.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bugout on May 10, 2011, 01:51:54 PM
Nice job!

Now which westmeres can I drop in my 09 2.25x2 pro?  Is the EP versions?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
Can anyone confirm you can go back to your 2009 EFI?

Yep, I've had no problems going back to the 2009 EFI. It reverts to my original MP41.0081.B07 firmware, just something you need to be aware of in case you have one of those special refurb Mac Pros with the MP41.0081.B08 firmware.

Hi, but it installs what ever was there before or it uses that specific firmware. The deal is I have a nonreferb system and would like to go back to exactly what I had or have now...

-Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
Can anyone confirm you can go back to your 2009 EFI?

Yep, I've had no problems going back to the 2009 EFI. It reverts to my original MP41.0081.B07 firmware, just something you need to be aware of in case you have one of those special refurb Mac Pros with the MP41.0081.B08 firmware.

Hi, but it installs what ever was there before or it uses that specific firmware. The deal is I have a nonreferb system and would like to go back to exactly what I had or have now...

-Thanks

It looks like it's downloading MP41.0081.B07 directly from Apple and using that. MP41.0081.B08 was a special version used for some refurb systems which allegedly has some special features, but this upgrader won't be able to downgrade back to B08 as Apple never publicly released it. Check System Profiler to see which version your running, mine was running B07 originally so I've had no problems at all.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
Can anyone confirm you can go back to your 2009 EFI?

Yep, I've had no problems going back to the 2009 EFI. It reverts to my original MP41.0081.B07 firmware, just something you need to be aware of in case you have one of those special refurb Mac Pros with the MP41.0081.B08 firmware.

Hi, but it installs what ever was there before or it uses that specific firmware. The deal is I have a nonreferb system and would like to go back to exactly what I had or have now...

-Thanks

It looks like it's downloading MP41.0081.B07 directly from Apple and using that. MP41.0081.B08 was a special version used for some refurb systems which allegedly has some special features, but this upgrader won't be able to downgrade back to B08 as Apple never publicly released it. Check System Profiler to see which version your running, mine was running B07 originally so I've had no problems at all.

Will do when I get home.
-Thanks

P.S. did you get the 'This software is not supported on your system.' alert box or the 'This computer does not need this update.'.?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 10, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Don't mean to rain on your parade and I truly hope to be wrong but after examining the files it seems like it only modifies your Model Identifier. That's why the machine keeps behaving as a 2009 pro. Has anyone actually confirmed this with at least ram running at 1333MHz?? B1 stepped processors and ram being tested would be awesome


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 05:07:03 PM
Don't mean to rain on your parade and I truly hope to be wrong but after examining the files it seems like it only modifies your Model Identifier. That's why the machine keeps behaving as a 2009 pro. Has anyone actually confirmed this with at least ram running at 1333MHz?? B1 stepped processors and ram being tested would be awesome

It's definitely using the correct MacPro5,1 firmware. The md5 matches exactly with the MP51_007F_03B.fd file found on the Firmware Restoration CD 1.9.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
Worked perfectly on my 2.66GHz 2009 Mac Pro 4,1, which is now on a 5,1 trip  :D.

Thanks a lot !!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
Just checked and i have ver MP41.0081.B07.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
After the upgrade, my MacPro4,1 shows "MacPro5,1" as Identifier and "MP51.007F.B03" as BootROM.
To me, this seems pretty much perfect.

...now lets find a cheap source for W3670s or W3680s ... ;-) ...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
After the upgrade, my MacPro4,1 shows "MacPro5,1" as Identifier and "MP51.007F.B03" as BootROM.
To me, this seems pretty much perfect.

...now lets find a cheap source for W3670s or W3680s ... ;-) ...

did you get the 'This software is not supported on your system.' alert box or the 'This computer does not need this update.'.?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
@fabriciom:

Nope, worked without any weird messages. Just perfectly.

I simply clicked "Upgrade to 2010 Firmware" and went through the normal EFI Upgrade procedure...

P.S. You're right though... Apple's 1.5 EFI Upgrade shows that it is not supported on my machine. Mmmh... I don't know... maybe it checks for some other things. Weird...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
@fabriciom:

Nope, worked without any weird messages. Just perfectly.

I simply clicked "Upgrade to 2010 Firmware" and went through the normal EFI Upgrade procedure...

Do you have 1333 ram? did it recognize it?

-Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 07:09:13 PM
I use 12GB of 1066MHz ECC DD3 RAM. It still shows up as 1066MHz, ... as expected.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 10, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
Houston, we have a big "YES" on the Audio.

However, all of this "Won't Put B08 firmware back on '09" made me realize...I HAD B08 FIRMWARE !!! (as you can see in screenshots)

So, a question for the OP, how do I get it back on there if I need to get Applecare work done?

I do have the B08 firmware as a stand alone file...my work with the "other guy" who was working on this led to a software means of dumping that file.

I seem to recall that it is 4 Megs .


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
I just found out: My original OS X Install DVDs don't work anymore now after the upgrade.

Oh what the hell... Lion is gonna be here soon anyway...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
OK Im gonna go for it. Im hopping my W5580 wont hose the system. I also have kingston 1333mhz ram so lets see what happens with that.

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2861/screen2t.gif)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9910/screenrs.gif)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 07:37:45 PM
P.S. did you get the 'This software is not supported on your system.' alert box or the 'This computer does not need this update.'.?

Don't worry about the alert messages, that was just me messing around with Apple Firmware Restoration CDs to see whether my updated Mac Pro was seen as a 'real' MacPro5,1. I guess there must be another chip on the Logic Board which identifies the Mac as a 4,1?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 10, 2011, 07:43:29 PM
Well.. For starters.. The system's serial number clearly shows that it is only a 2009 model.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 07:45:35 PM
Houston, we have a big "YES" on the Audio.

However, all of this "Won't Put B08 firmware back on '09" made me realize...I HAD B08 FIRMWARE !!! (as you can see in screenshots)

So, a question for the OP, how do I get it back on there if I need to get Applecare work done?

I do have the B08 firmware as a stand alone file...my work with the "other guy" who was working on this led to a software means of dumping that file.

I seem to recall that it is 4 Megs .

4 MB sounds about right, the B07 file is 4.2 MB. Once we have a way of editing the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi file in the System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates folder you should you have no problems restoring to the B08 file. I don't suppose you'd mind sharing it?  :P


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 07:52:44 PM
ok on firtst boot I have MacPro5,1 and MP51.007F.B03. Ram is still detected as 1066. Will try Option-OpenApple-P-R.


Update: it worked


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 10, 2011, 07:57:27 PM
ok on firtst boot I have MacPro5,1 and MP51.007F.B03. Ram is still detected as 1066. Will try Option-OpenApple-P-R.


Update: it worked

Screenshot?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 08:09:26 PM
reran Geekbench 64 and im still getting 19356 as before.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 10, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
reran Geekbench 64 and im still getting 19356 as before.

Yeah the speed difference between 1066 and 1333 is almost negligible. But you are on. MP5,1 is on your system now.  Great


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 10, 2011, 08:22:42 PM
reran Geekbench 64 and im still getting 19356 as before.

Yeah the speed difference between 1066 and 1333 is almost negligible. But you are on. MP5,1 is on your system now.  Great

Thanks, let us know if you get to update the smc.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shinratdr on May 10, 2011, 09:28:14 PM
Is there a little soft like this to upgrade 2006 mac pro EFI for 64bit boot ?

I second this, I'm starting to feel the heat from Apple and I'm assuming 2006 owners will be cut off as of 10.7 GM or 10.8. Hell, I would even pay for this. If it saves me $2500 it's worth it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: icanic on May 10, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
Is there a little soft like this to upgrade 2006 mac pro EFI for 64bit boot ?

I second this, I'm starting to feel the heat from Apple and I'm assuming 2006 owners will be cut off as of 10.7 GM or 10.8. Hell, I would even pay for this. If it saves me $2500 it's worth it.

I'm interested in that upgrade too. :-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: minifridge1138 on May 10, 2011, 10:58:12 PM
My understanding is that the tool downloads the 5.1 firmware from apple to upgrade a 4.1 (and vice versa to revert back).

Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?

I ask because i still have 2 years of apple care and don't want to tinker too much.  As soon as the warranty expires I won't hesitate to do this, but am afraid the firmware may not be downloadable anymore.

Yes, i'm planning far into the future.  Yes, I'm a bit of a wuss.  I just don't like the possibility of nerfing my perfectly fine MP.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 10, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
My understanding is that the tool downloads the 5.1 firmware from apple to upgrade a 4.1 (and vice versa to revert back).

Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?

I ask because i still have 2 years of apple care and don't want to tinker too much.  As soon as the warranty expires I won't hesitate to do this, but am afraid the firmware may not be downloadable anymore.

Yes, i'm planning far into the future.  Yes, I'm a bit of a wuss.  I just don't like the possibility of nerfing my perfectly fine MP.


Yes you can do this by modifying the following file Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.scpt and changing the download location


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 10, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
Is there a little soft like this to upgrade 2006 mac pro EFI for 64bit boot ?

I second this, I'm starting to feel the heat from Apple and I'm assuming 2006 owners will be cut off as of 10.7 GM or 10.8. Hell, I would even pay for this. If it saves me $2500 it's worth it.

I'm interested in that upgrade too. :-)

This if possible would require a bigger effort as we do not currently have an EFI64 written for said machines. So I wouldn't hold my breath on this


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shinratdr on May 10, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Is there a little soft like this to upgrade 2006 mac pro EFI for 64bit boot ?

I second this, I'm starting to feel the heat from Apple and I'm assuming 2006 owners will be cut off as of 10.7 GM or 10.8. Hell, I would even pay for this. If it saves me $2500 it's worth it.

I'm interested in that upgrade too. :-)

This if possible would require a bigger effort as we do not currently have an EFI64 written for said machines. So I wouldn't hold my breath on this

Damn, I didn't realize that. According to Wikipedia, the 2007/2,1 Mac Pros use EFI32 as well. I always thought they were EFI64 based.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: naughtyandrew on May 10, 2011, 11:37:26 PM
Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?

If you're just looking for a copy of the firmware, you can download it directly from Apple. The file is called MP51_007F_03B.fd and it can be found on the Firmware Restoration CD 1.9 available here (http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1320). You can also find the 2009 Mac Pro firmware on Firmware Restoration CD 1.8.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 11, 2011, 12:58:49 AM

[/quote]

This if possible would require a bigger effort as we do not currently have an EFI64 written for said machines. So I wouldn't hold my breath on this
[/quote]

Damn, I didn't realize that. According to Wikipedia, the 2007/2,1 Mac Pros use EFI32 as well. I always thought they were EFI64 based.
[/quote]

I have been in contact with someone working on this.

The key would be to get 3,1 firmware to run on 1,1 and 2,1.

I am told the the biggest hurdle is memory controller.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 11, 2011, 01:57:09 AM
On the Mac Pro firmware versions, the ones available from Apple are the only ones I know of that are out there, so that's what I went with. I wasn't aware that there are actually newer ROM versions inside of shipping Mac Pro models, so I guess proceed with some caution. I haven't had any trouble at all with the 4 2009 Mac Pros that I've upgraded for people (2 single CPU and 2 dual CPU).

On the actual package updaters from Apple giving somewhat misleading messages, I think that those messages will occur regardless of whether this program has been run or not. In other words, if you run the package updater for the 2010 model on a 2010 with up to date firmware, you will still get the message "This software is not supported on your system." This is not absolutely confirmed myself, I sent a message to one of contacts who has a non-modified 2010 Mac Pro to see what happens. Alternatively, someone who has an un-modified 2010 Mac Pro can try running the Apple firmware update package to confirm this. I have a suspicion that this is just two different programmers trying to say the same thing.

On warranty issues, from the experience I've had, I don't think the Applecare personnel at the Mac stores would even notice this. If they did, you could easily get them to replace the entire main board since this is clearly not within spec. If all else fails, the original CPUs can be re-installed and the firmware reverted to 2009. For most people though, the 2010 firmware is going to be a lot newer than the embedded 2009, so it's probably a non issue.

Of course the original install DVDs will not work anymore, as you now have a 2010 Mac Pro! (although the newer 2010 install DVD will now work). I haven't used the original install DVDs on a Mac Pro for a few years now, as it seems cleaner to use the latest point release retail DVD, and thus less updating is needed.

As far as I know, an SMC update has not been issued on Mac Pro's since the 2007 Mac Pro, so that's probably not going to happen. My feeling is that the SMC version for that particular main board and CPU board is perfect, and I don't think anything is lost with a slightly different SMC version. The main thing is that they match, otherwise the system goes into an undefined state and the fans run at full blast, as when a 2010 CPU board is installed in a 2009 Mac Pro.

As far as upgrading the 2006 and 2007 BIOS with the 2008 BIOS, I have tried that, and the firmware update is possible, but the hardware is different enough that it bricks the machine. I personally don't think this will ever be done (not that it's not possible, just very improbable).



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienallan on May 11, 2011, 04:13:03 AM
never noticed any comments on the 2008 (3.1) mstill running 800mhz, any solutions there? If yes whos tried it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 11, 2011, 04:25:01 AM
never noticed any comments on the 2008 (3.1) mstill running 800mhz, any solutions there? If yes whos tried it?

2009/2010 Mac Pros only.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: biske on May 11, 2011, 05:22:20 AM
Does this allow the ATI 5770 to do audio output over the DisplayPort now?  I noticed on the 2010 Mac Pro with the 5770, under Audio in System Profiler there is a DisplayPort option, but on my 2009 Mac Pro with the 5770, it's missing.  And yes, I have a real Apple 5770.

MDP audio works on a 2009 Mac Pro after doing this 5.1 firmware update.  I use the Moshi MDP to HDMI adapter.  Also, I had to configure the speakers in Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup.  You will see your TV or receiver in Preferences/Sound.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pjdgilmour on May 11, 2011, 05:24:00 AM
@The Rominator

I have a Mac Pro 1.1 and it use a Intel 5000x Chipset. The 3.1 Mac Pro uses a 5400B Chipset. The memory controler is the same, but add support to 800 MHz RAM and 1600 MHz FSB. The two chipsets supports Hapertown Xeon's. But the Mac Pro 1.1 and 2.1 dont have the CPUID Cods for this. And Apple dont realizate a Microcode update for theys.
I think the firmware update is possible without brick.

Sorry my bad english.

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Intel_%28chipsets%29/5000X.html


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fairbanx on May 11, 2011, 06:35:40 AM

Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?


All EFI and SMC Updates can be found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1237


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: PurpleLogix on May 11, 2011, 07:06:04 AM
2006 MP.
Can only wish, "just very improbable" is a positive thing for me.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shinratdr on May 11, 2011, 08:51:44 PM
Ars Technica just wrote this story up a couple of minutes ago, congrats!

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/firmware-hack-can-transform-a-2009-mac-pro-into-a-12-core-monster.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jerroddietrich on May 11, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
It keeps telling me I need to connect to the internet in order to run the Firmware Tool. I am connected. Anyone else experiencing this issue?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 11, 2011, 10:29:17 PM
Ars Technica just wrote this story up a couple of minutes ago, congrats!

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/firmware-hack-can-transform-a-2009-mac-pro-into-a-12-core-monster.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss


Just hit appleinsider.com

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/11/firmware_hack_converts_2009_mac_pro_to_use_faster_ram_cpus.html


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wa5655 on May 12, 2011, 03:22:35 AM
I can't get mine 09 to work.  My bootrom is MP41.0081.B07.  SMC 1.39f5.  The installer will run just fine, from the RAM disk, all the proper firmwares were downloaded as well.  However, upon power and and reboot (holding down power till power indicator flashes).  The firmware update process will not start, it will load straight into the OS.  I am on 10.6.6 with 2xQuad 3.32 (MP 4.1).  Any thoughts? 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 03:34:02 AM
I can't get mine 09 to work.  My bootrom is MP41.0081.B07.  SMC 1.39f5.  The installer will run just fine, from the RAM disk, all the proper firmwares were downloaded as well.  However, upon power and and reboot (holding down power till power indicator flashes).  The firmware update process will not start, it will load straight into the OS.  I am on 10.6.6 with 2xQuad 3.32 (MP 4.1).  Any thoughts? 

U need to keep pressing the button until you hear a long tone


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 03:35:14 AM
After doing this my Geekbench result consistently dropped by 150-200 points. Can anyone confirm?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wa5655 on May 12, 2011, 03:52:31 AM
That was what I did --hold the power, wait for the flash, wait for the long tone.  Then released the power.  ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 12, 2011, 04:30:25 AM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model.

beto2K7: On the Geekbench test, I just ran 3 runs each with both the 32-bit and the 64-bit version of Geekbench, and the average results were all very close.

wa5655: On the utility not working on your Mac Pro, can you run a Geekbench and post the full ROM revision? If you're running from any type of RAID boot disk, the firmware updater may not work properly. This is documented in a help file on Apple's web site somewhere.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 04:39:46 AM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model.

Yes any B1 xeon with dual QPI will work on dual processor Mac Pros and any B1 xeon (dual or single QPI) will work on single processor mac pro

beto2K7: On the Geekbench test, I just ran 3 runs each with both the 32-bit and the 64-bit version of Geekbench, and the average results were all very close.

Sorry my spotlight was rebuilding the index....

wa5655: On the utility not working on your Mac Pro, can you run a Geekbench and post the full ROM revision? If you're running from any type of RAID boot disk, the firmware updater may not work properly. This is documented in a help file on Apple's web site somewhere.

I've done it on a 3-disk raid0 and it worked.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: minifridge1138 on May 12, 2011, 05:28:51 AM
My understanding is that the tool downloads the 5.1 firmware from apple to upgrade a 4.1 (and vice versa to revert back).

Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?

I ask because i still have 2 years of apple care and don't want to tinker too much.  As soon as the warranty expires I won't hesitate to do this, but am afraid the firmware may not be downloadable anymore.

Yes, i'm planning far into the future.  Yes, I'm a bit of a wuss.  I just don't like the possibility of nerfing my perfectly fine MP.


Yes you can do this by modifying the following file Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.scpt and changing the download location

I tried to edit the file but get an error that it was saved as run only.  I used chmod to set the permissions to rwx for all, but still can't edit it.
Any ideas?

Thank you very much.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wa5655 on May 12, 2011, 05:37:57 AM
I was kind of expecting the Areca 1880 was the problem.  I booted from the internal sata drive, it worked.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 05:39:11 AM
My understanding is that the tool downloads the 5.1 firmware from apple to upgrade a 4.1 (and vice versa to revert back).

Is it possible to download the firmware to disk and then use the local download?

I ask because i still have 2 years of apple care and don't want to tinker too much.  As soon as the warranty expires I won't hesitate to do this, but am afraid the firmware may not be downloadable anymore.

Yes, i'm planning far into the future.  Yes, I'm a bit of a wuss.  I just don't like the possibility of nerfing my perfectly fine MP.


Yes you can do this by modifying the following file Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.scpt and changing the download location

I tried to edit the file but get an error that it was saved as run only.  I used chmod to set the permissions to rwx for all, but still can't edit it.
Any ideas?

Thank you very much.

You will need the AppleScript code from MacEFIRom


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: machacks on May 12, 2011, 06:57:14 AM
Are there any other CPU beside the 11 posted in screen shot that will work with Dual MP 2009?

Intel Xeon Family (http://Intel Xeon Family)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17847085/Screen%20shot%202011-05-11%20at%2010.46.18%20PM.jpg)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lastExile on May 12, 2011, 07:57:03 AM
congrats we are on neowin.net now http://www.neowin.net/news/hack-your-2009-mac-pro-to-12-cores-of-awesome


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: undir on May 12, 2011, 08:49:19 AM

What can I say but WOW!!!  ;D  Big congratulations to MacEFIRom for this outstanding work!

When MacPro5,1's first firmware update came out I had hoped someone (in particular Apple, one can only dream) would come up with a way of flashing this firmware unto the MacPro4,1 (2009 models) enabling them to support hex-core CPU's and 1333Mhz DDR3 and what ya know, that day has come (better later than never).


So here's my experience on a 2009 MacPro4,1 (single CPU) with a Xeon W3570 @ 3.2Ghz 6.4 GT/s supporting 1333Mhz DDR3 and two Elixir 4GB DDR3 10600R (aka 1333Mhz) DIMM's (I had 3 DIMMs, but one decided to die on me last week).

Firmware update went smoothly, at first 2 boot the RAM speed was still identified as 1067Mhz, so I decided to attempt a reset of the MacPro's PRAM - see: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379  and there it goes, after booting up, the System Identifier now identifies the memory DIMMs as running at 1333Mhz.

Next step, finding some bargain W3680, can't wait  :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mjsmke on May 12, 2011, 10:28:53 AM
I REALLY want to do this to my 2009 MP. can anybody confirm exactly which files i have to change? and what do i change them to? I dont have access to a 2010 MP.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: TheGuide on May 12, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
I REALLY want to do this to my 2009 MP. can anybody confirm exactly which files i have to change? and what do i change them to? I dont have access to a 2010 MP.

Download the file on the bottom of page one first post. Run it and your done. Dont forget to SHUT DOWN and the hold the power button down till the power flashes to load the new firmware.

Worked a treat for me! Now to get some1333 RAM!

TG  :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mjsmke on May 12, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
Thanks, Ive got another problem. It keeps saying i need to be connected to the internet but i am.

Anyone know what to do?


Title: Caution when applying any Apple updates?
Post by: ada21 on May 12, 2011, 01:41:08 PM
Excellent, just for the fact alone that MDP audio is enabled with 5770 as well. However, I guess it will better to revert to 4.1 first when applying any Apple updates at all ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 12, 2011, 02:00:36 PM
Software updates is fine, no need to revert


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ada21 on May 12, 2011, 02:08:19 PM
Software updates is fine, no need to revert

Brilliant, thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 12, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Thanks, Ive got another problem. It keeps saying i need to be connected to the internet but i am.

Anyone know what to do?

The program does a ping to determine internet connectivity, maybe you have a router or firewall blocking this? Try altering your settings in this area and see if it helps.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gooberboy on May 12, 2011, 03:12:08 PM
Hello, I have an octo (2x2.2.6) 2009 Nehalem Mac Pro. If I purchase two Westmere processors, will I have to remove the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) and/or do the other things outlined in the Anandtech article a ways back about octo-core upgrades? If I have to risk all that and go through all the trouble, I probably won't bother.

Here's the Nehalem octo upgrade article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/10

Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 03:50:06 PM
Hello, I have an octo (2x2.2.6) 2009 Nehalem Mac Pro. If I purchase two Westmere processors, will I have to remove the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) and/or do the other things outlined in the Anandtech article a ways back about octo-core upgrades? If I have to risk all that and go through all the trouble, I probably won't bother.

Here's the Nehalem octo upgrade article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/10

Thanks.

No but you will need to modify the heatsink fan connector to seat properly. It wont connect as needed due to the IHS added height.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sammyman on May 12, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
What happens when Apple releases updated firmware for the MacPro5,1?  I know software will be fine.  Would that mess up our hacked 2009 systems?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gooberboy on May 12, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
Hello, I have an octo (2x2.2.6) 2009 Nehalem Mac Pro. If I purchase two Westmere processors, will I have to remove the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) and/or do the other things outlined in the Anandtech article a ways back about octo-core upgrades? If I have to risk all that and go through all the trouble, I probably won't bother.

Here's the Nehalem octo upgrade article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/10

Thanks.

No but you will need to modify the heatsink fan connector to seat properly. It wont connect as needed due to the IHS added height.







Thanks, is there a tutorial somewhere on modifying the fan connector?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fairbanx on May 12, 2011, 04:40:51 PM

Quote


Thanks, is there a tutorial somewhere on modifying the fan connector?


take a look at this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=781908&page=10, post #246


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gooberboy on May 12, 2011, 05:29:45 PM

Quote


Thanks, is there a tutorial somewhere on modifying the fan connector?


take a look at this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=781908&page=10, post #246

Okay, looks like washers and pads are the way to go. Any sourcing ideas on the washers? I can't seem to find one in that thread. Thanks again for your help!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on May 12, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
The difference in height between the non-IHS CPUs and the normal CPUs with IHS attached is 2.24 mm (0.088 inch). I found some M4 x 9 washers that I sorted thru and found groups of 3 that were that height, +/- 0.03 mm (about 0.001 inch).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: brosenz on May 12, 2011, 09:10:41 PM
I just found out: My original OS X Install DVDs don't work anymore now after the upgrade.

Oh what the hell... Lion is gonna be here soon anyway...

I called the Apple Store today to buy a Retail Snow Leopard DVD and they said it's only an upgrade so it will not work for a clean install, please can somebody confirm this ?, I've read multiple forums stating that even though is an upgrade it will allow you to do a full clean install.

Is there a way to buy a replacement original Mac OS X Install DVD for Mac Pro (2010) 5.1 ?, I haven't tried with the 2009 Install DVD disk that I have, but based on the forum it will not work, thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 12, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
Installed fresh version in vmware many times. no probs.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: brosenz on May 12, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Installed fresh version in vmware many times. no probs.

How do you install Mac OS X on VMWare ?, thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 12, 2011, 10:47:19 PM
I just found out: My original OS X Install DVDs don't work anymore now after the upgrade.

Oh what the hell... Lion is gonna be here soon anyway...

I called the Apple Store today to buy a Retail Snow Leopard DVD and they said it's only an upgrade so it will not work for a clean install, please can somebody confirm this ?, I've read multiple forums stating that even though is an upgrade it will allow you to do a full clean install.

Is there a way to buy a replacement original Mac OS X Install DVD for Mac Pro (2010) 5.1 ?, I haven't tried with the 2009 Install DVD disk that I have, but based on the forum it will not work, thanks

2009 install disc work for me as well as 2010 install disc. 2010 AHT and ASD won't though. SL retail disc will do fresh installs. And you need valid serial to request 2010 install disc to apple


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Wildcat_1 on May 12, 2011, 11:02:33 PM
SO I have a question please. I installed the FW update using your utility which was awesome. If I want to upgrade from my current Dual CPU setup (dual 2.26 Quad Cores), what specifically do I need to look for in the Westmere processors and anything I need to do or remove ?

I have included a link to current Westmere's from Newegg as a source. Just wondered what on their list I could use in my machine in a dual CPU config ?

Thanks again so much

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=westmere%20xeon%20qpi&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 12, 2011, 11:39:21 PM
Installed fresh version in vmware many times. no probs.

How do you install Mac OS X on VMWare ?, thanks

vmware fusion, and its offtopic.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pjdgilmour on May 13, 2011, 02:13:36 AM
Hello, is it possible to make a patch for the Mac Pro 1.1 to 3.1? Or else the 1.1 to 2.1?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on May 13, 2011, 02:47:53 AM
So in overall summary, to try and get most information one may need in to one convenient response/post... Maybe with this someone can put together a guide or something. I know the answers to some, but I'd prefer if someone clarify these questions, and that way it'll maybe be a bit more organized.

1. Do we just go to the store and pick out any of the applicable Xeon CPU's that will fit in the Mac Pro socket? Any particular stepping? What about B0 stepping that I've seen a few of? ES? D0?

2. Is there any software modification beside the firmware update that we need to do? Will we need to Flash the CPU or something? (I assume some others *might* have that question, as I didn't find out the answer until recently)

3. Will we need to modify the CPU itself in any way, such as removing the Integrated Heat Spreader? Will we need to modify the Board or Fans in any way?

4. How do we get around the Integrated heat spreader size issue? What change or modification should we make or look out for to avoid damaging the CPU/Board pins?

5. What should we do if we end up screwing up somehow, and ending up with say, broken pins, or damage to the CPU, short circuit, or other hazards mentioned in the anandtech and other articles? Is CPU damage covered by Intel warranty? Is there a simple process to get those RMA'd?

6. Should we wait until the next Intel generation of Xeon's come out? (5700's) for price drops? Is it possible that the next generation will be naturally compatible with the 2010 Mac Pro? or would that be for the 2011/2012 mac pro?

7. Can a single Xeon (such as a single X5690 or W3690) Be used in a Dual-Xeon mac pro on its own?

8. Will an i7 processor work in a Mac Pro?

9. Which Xeon's overall will work?

10. After doing the firmware upgrade, will the mac pro still be able to use the original 2009 Processors without issue?

11. Is it possible that this process will be put to use for when the 2011 Mac Pro becomes available?


I hope Apple realizes that with this, one of PC fanboys arguments that you can't upgrade a Mac is now somewhat null. If anything Apple should take this under their wing and support it, for the sake of preventing a lot of Ex-mac users who get tired of having to purchase full new mac pros. Maybe if they like, started offering an upgrade kit.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 13, 2011, 04:02:45 AM
Does someone owe the public a neatly collated list?

Most people I know use "Google" when they find that they need information.

Nothing magical or weird is going on here.

If you read up on 2010 Mac pro 5,1 changes compared to 4,1. That will pretty much answer most of your questions.

The 5,1 added support to 4,1 firmware. This hack just lets you use the things it added.

Feel free to gather and collate.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sammyman on May 13, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
Can upgraded 09 Mac Pros take advantage of 6gb SSD cards?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: olduser on May 13, 2011, 09:00:57 AM
hi.
thanks for this little tool. I updated a Mac Pro 2009 successfully. It is has two Xeon X5570 ( 2.93 MHz , 2x4 Cores ) and should be able to use appropriate RAM @ 1333 MHz.
But it stays at 1066 MHz ( even after PRAM and SMC reset ). Are there some other tricks to get the RAM work @1333 MHz.
Sincerely yours ...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 13, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
hi.
thanks for this little tool. I updated a Mac Pro 2009 successfully. It is has two Xeon X5570 ( 2.93 MHz , 2x4 Cores ) and should be able to use appropriate RAM @ 1333 MHz.
But it stays at 1066 MHz ( even after PRAM and SMC reset ). Are there some other tricks to get the RAM work @1333 MHz.
Sincerely yours ...

look at the RAM itself.

It has to be rated to run at 1333


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: olduser on May 13, 2011, 12:36:40 PM
it is 8GB RAM 10600 originating from a 2010 MacPro Server  - thats why I am a little bit frustrated ...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 13, 2011, 04:27:55 PM
THANKS!!! great hacking! :) I was waiting for this kind of solution for many months! :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AZREOSpecialist on May 13, 2011, 04:29:33 PM
Why don't you let us know when you find out? :)

So in overall summary, to try and get most information one may need in to one convenient response/post... Maybe with this someone can put together a guide or something. I know the answers to some, but I'd prefer if someone clarify these questions, and that way it'll maybe be a bit more organized.

1. Do we just go to the store and pick out any of the applicable Xeon CPU's that will fit in the Mac Pro socket? Any particular stepping? What about B0 stepping that I've seen a few of? ES? D0?

2. Is there any software modification beside the firmware update that we need to do? Will we need to Flash the CPU or something? (I assume some others *might* have that question, as I didn't find out the answer until recently)

3. Will we need to modify the CPU itself in any way, such as removing the Integrated Heat Spreader? Will we need to modify the Board or Fans in any way?

4. How do we get around the Integrated heat spreader size issue? What change or modification should we make or look out for to avoid damaging the CPU/Board pins?

5. What should we do if we end up screwing up somehow, and ending up with say, broken pins, or damage to the CPU, short circuit, or other hazards mentioned in the anandtech and other articles? Is CPU damage covered by Intel warranty? Is there a simple process to get those RMA'd?

6. Should we wait until the next Intel generation of Xeon's come out? (5700's) for price drops? Is it possible that the next generation will be naturally compatible with the 2010 Mac Pro? or would that be for the 2011/2012 mac pro?

7. Can a single Xeon (such as a single X5690 or W3690) Be used in a Dual-Xeon mac pro on its own?

8. Will an i7 processor work in a Mac Pro?

9. Which Xeon's overall will work?

10. After doing the firmware upgrade, will the mac pro still be able to use the original 2009 Processors without issue?

11. Is it possible that this process will be put to use for when the 2011 Mac Pro becomes available?


I hope Apple realizes that with this, one of PC fanboys arguments that you can't upgrade a Mac is now somewhat null. If anything Apple should take this under their wing and support it, for the sake of preventing a lot of Ex-mac users who get tired of having to purchase full new mac pros. Maybe if they like, started offering an upgrade kit.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AZREOSpecialist on May 13, 2011, 04:33:11 PM
My apologies if this may be slightly off-topic, but since we now have a way to install 2010 firmware on our 2009 Mac Pros, is there any chance the firmware file itself can be edited to allow us to overclock our Xeon CPUs? From my understanding, they overclock very well and we may be able to get some of ours up to 4 GHz if we could only figure out what setting to change in the firmware.

I offered a bounty on MacRumors of $100 to whoever can figure this out. At this point, I would love to pay that bounty to the person who came up with this firmware installer. To the author - do you have a Paypal page for donations?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 13, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
My apologies if this may be slightly off-topic, but since we now have a way to install 2010 firmware on our 2009 Mac Pros, is there any chance the firmware file itself can be edited to allow us to overclock our Xeon CPUs? From my understanding, they overclock very well and we may be able to get some of ours up to 4 GHz if we could only figure out what setting to change in the firmware.

I offered a bounty on MacRumors of $100 to whoever can figure this out. At this point, I would love to pay that bounty to the person who came up with this firmware installer. To the author - do you have a Paypal page for donations?

Forcing MP5,1 fw onto a 09 Mac pro is one thing. Reverse engineer compiled code is a whole different thing. Geez


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aledesma on May 13, 2011, 06:32:18 PM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model.

beto2K7: On the Geekbench test, I just ran 3 runs each with both the 32-bit and the 64-bit version of Geekbench, and the average results were all very close.

wa5655: On the utility not working on your Mac Pro, can you run a Geekbench and post the full ROM revision? If you're running from any type of RAID boot disk, the firmware updater may not work properly. This is documented in a help file on Apple's web site somewhere.

First let me start by telling you I love this forum and thank you. Can you speak a bit about physical cpu installation and is it possible to put a single X56xx or W36xx CPU on a dual Nahalem logic board?

keep rocking!

-A

PS

A note on the whole Mac vs PC battle. People always say that there is nothing to do on a mac etc.. and therefore mac people usually are less technically proficient than PC people. Let me tell you something modding my macs has always been way more challenging than any PC mod I have ever done. I can say it takes some skills, dedication and a strong community like the one in these forums. Anyone can order a video card from New egg and pop it in and feel victorious! But we all know here that its not that easy on mac we have to hexedit and flash bioses etc... So I say very proudly that we are the bigger geeks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 13, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model.

beto2K7: On the Geekbench test, I just ran 3 runs each with both the 32-bit and the 64-bit version of Geekbench, and the average results were all very close.

wa5655: On the utility not working on your Mac Pro, can you run a Geekbench and post the full ROM revision? If you're running from any type of RAID boot disk, the firmware updater may not work properly. This is documented in a help file on Apple's web site somewhere.

First let me start by telling you I love this forum and thank you. Can you speak a bit about physical cpu installation and is it possible to put a single X56xx or W36xx CPU on a dual Nahalem logic board?

keep rocking!

-A

PS

A note on the whole Mac vs PC battle. People always say that there is nothing to do on a mac etc.. and therefore mac people usually are less technically proficient than PC people. Let me tell you something modding my macs has always been way more challenging than any PC mod I have ever done. I can say it takes some skills, dedication and a strong community like the one in these forums. Anyone can order a video card from New egg and pop it in and feel victorious! But we all know here that its not that easy on mac we have to hexedit and flash bioses etc... So I say very proudly that we are the bigger geeks.

No. X58 chipset (used in MP Mac Pro) cannot shut down the second QPI.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: COINcoin77 on May 13, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
Hi,

Trying to flash my MP4,1 at the moment, but it looks like I'm having some troubles:

when rebooting, instead of getting the grey screen with the apple and the progress bar as described in the firmware upgrade utility, I get a blank screen and the superdrive opens, like wanting me to insert a dvd...

Anybody ever encountered this behavior when flashing?

also, the only Snow Leopard DVD I have in hand at the moment is the one that came with my macboobpro, so MP doesn'tlike it much.

Feeling a little dumb at the moment, any clue on how to achieve the firmware upgrade would be appreciated.

thanks for your help.

edit: Burned a firmware restoration CD 1.9 to insert when the superdrive opens, did not work. Still stuck with my MP4,1  ;)

edit2: I had to do a PRAM reset BEFORE running the firmware upgrade utility. It then ran perfectly. I now have a brand new  ;D MP5.1 and going to throw some 6core in it.

Big thanks to the guys who made that possible, you're my heroes


Title: Mac Pro 4.1 > 5.1 single CPU update
Post by: kitsune on May 14, 2011, 06:57:54 AM
Just wanted to say a big thanks for this.
It's truly fantastic that someone finally came up with a way to do this, so a BIG thank you to MacEFIROM.

I have updated my firmware successfully. Will upgrade my CPU and RAM later this month - looking forward to it!

Quick report:
Ran the firmware update tool provided by MacEFIROM - it downloads the firmware update, and informs you of the steps to take to complete the process.
Note: For those who are not members of this forum, you have to become a member and log into netkas before you can see the file link to the util at the bottom of the first posting by MacEFIROM.
Shut down mac pro. Pressed and held power button till power light started flashing, released power button. Within seconds the mac emitted a long beep. After this the update process began - grey screen, apple logo, progress bar indicating the progress of the update.
On complete, mac pro automatically restarted.

Note: My DVD drive opened at some point during this process, after the update was complete and the mac rebooted, the drive remained open. Once OS X had loaded, I pressed the elect key on my keyboard to close the drive but nothing happened. I then pushed the drive slightly closed, expecting it to take over and close by itself, but it didn't - it seemed dead (the DVD drive). I shut down, started it, quickly pressed and held Command-Option-P-R keys till I saw the grey screen (this resets the PRAM). The mac then restarted after a brief pause and my DVD drive closed. I don't know if it would simply have worked if I had just rebooted, but it seemed a sensible thing to clean out the PRAM considering the firmware had been updated in any case.
Further, the DVD drive is not the original Apple supplied drive, but rather an LG/Hitachi Blu-Ray burner.

I'm planning on upgrading my CPU (a W3520) with a six core 3.2 GHz W3670. I know the 3.33 GHz W3680 is a little faster, and has a faster QPI link, but it's cost is approaching nearly double that of the W3670, and I'm not sure you would notice much real difference between the two. Any comments on this?



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sammyman on May 14, 2011, 07:06:25 AM
I am going for the w3670 too.  Got it coming in the mail.  I should have everything done by Tuesday and will report back here.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 15, 2011, 05:26:48 AM
Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 15, 2011, 03:24:50 PM
Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?

Before you start a stampede, could you clarify what you mean by "THIS just stop working"

The app or the hack?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 15, 2011, 05:17:55 PM

Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?

Before you start a stampede, could you clarify what you mean by "THIS just stop working"

The app or the hack?

The hack. The app for me is unnecesary. I have another way of flashing any rom at will. Lion recognizes my machine as an "Early 2009 Mac Pro" (which it is) and the ram reverted to 1066MHz instead of 1333Mhz in Snow Leopard


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 15, 2011, 08:32:38 PM
couple weeks ago I've read about person who upgraded his mac pro '09 (B08 firmware) with hexacore and 1333 ram. If what beto2k7 wrote, will be confirmed by another users, then maybe all we need is  B08 firmware update to make this hack work on Lion? Important to note: B08 firmware isn't available to download from Apple, it was only loaded in late models of mac pro 09.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 15, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Is the GTX 285 supported in the 2010 Mac Pro´s ?
I just bought a 2009 Mac Pro with that card but will of course do the firmware update to be able to put a w3670 cpu in.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pbobmagic on May 15, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
For those who are interested I used the updater last week on my 2009 single CPU Mac Pro previously fitted with the BTO 2.93 Quad. I have since installed an i970 Hexacore along with 1333 RAM (3x 4Gb). The upgrade has worked find, no issues, install took about 30 minutes with the correct 3mm long arm hex drive.

As has been previously noted the RAM is limited in speed to the frequencies specified by Intel, in the case of the 970 that is 1066 (I bought faster from Crucial as the price difference is no existent and you never know what upgrade may occur next).

I am a little concerned by reports in this thread about the latest Lion build causing problems with the firmware upgrade and causing it to revert. If this is a true firmware upgrade I don't see how that can happen, I can only assume it is a reporting error maybe based around serial or other unchanged data. As long as the machine will continue working with B1 step CPU's I don't mind. Has anyone tested?

Although not really a relevant thread just for those thinking of doing the same sort of upgrade as me, previous 64bit Geekbench result for 2.93 Quad was between 9800-10000. The 970 with new RAM easily tops 15000. Price for CPU and RAM was around £530 plus a few extra for Artic Silver 5 and some new hex drives.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sammyman on May 16, 2011, 01:09:47 AM
Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?

I sure hope this isn't true. 

I just upgraded my 2.66 to a w3670 3.2 6 core.  Super fast.  I am still waiting on RAM.  I had to do the firmware twice because the first time it said error 5770 or something.  Second time worked like a charm.  My DVD did not pop open like others here.

One kind of annoying thing is that I can't boot from a snow leopard disk as others have mentioned. I have an SSD that is causing me some grief and I want to reinstall OSX on it but can't. I get stuck at the apple logo.  I am hoping my friend's 2010 mac pro disks will take care of it.  Geekbench went from a low 8000 to 13500, but I only have 32 bit mode.  I think 64 bit should shoot me over 15000.  Feels much snappier already.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 03:34:20 AM
Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?

I sure hope this isn't true. 

I just upgraded my 2.66 to a w3670 3.2 6 core.  Super fast.  I am still waiting on RAM.  I had to do the firmware twice because the first time it said error 5770 or something.  Second time worked like a charm.  My DVD did not pop open like others here.

One kind of annoying thing is that I can't boot from a snow leopard disk as others have mentioned. I have an SSD that is causing me some grief and I want to reinstall OSX on it but can't. I get stuck at the apple logo.  I am hoping my friend's 2010 mac pro disks will take care of it.  Geekbench went from a low 8000 to 13500, but I only have 32 bit mode.  I think 64 bit should shoot me over 15000.  Feels much snappier already.

I can boot. From either 2009 or 2010 install disc


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sammyman on May 16, 2011, 04:19:36 AM
I wonder if my booting from a disc problem is a separate issue.  Either way, it has taken me days to try and setup my computer.  I am now trying to create a bootable image on a drive and boot from that.  When I boot from a disc it sits on the Apple logo indefinitely.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DesertFOX on May 16, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
Just a question. Does the Mac Pro only support Xeon CPUs or will standard i7 also work?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 16, 2011, 01:59:04 PM
Houston, we have a big "YES" on the Audio.

However, all of this "Won't Put B08 firmware back on '09" made me realize...I HAD B08 FIRMWARE !!! (as you can see in screenshots)

So, a question for the OP, how do I get it back on there if I need to get Applecare work done?

I do have the B08 firmware as a stand alone file...my work with the "other guy" who was working on this led to a software means of dumping that file.

I seem to recall that it is 4 Megs .

+1
I bought a used mac pro 4,1 quad 3.33 and I assume it will have this unofficial firmware. HOw to back up and if needed load it back ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 16, 2011, 03:01:48 PM
Houston, we have a big "YES" on the Audio.

However, all of this "Won't Put B08 firmware back on '09" made me realize...I HAD B08 FIRMWARE !!! (as you can see in screenshots)

So, a question for the OP, how do I get it back on there if I need to get Applecare work done?

I do have the B08 firmware as a stand alone file...my work with the "other guy" who was working on this led to a software means of dumping that file.

I seem to recall that it is 4 Megs .

+1
I bought a used mac pro 4,1 quad 3.33 and I assume it will have this unofficial firmware. HOw to back up and if needed load it back ?

More trouble than you want to go to.

When I am back at my Mac Pro I can help you out. PM me an email addy. Will be a few days.

We will still need EFIRom to help make an installer for it though.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 16, 2011, 03:14:26 PM
You will need to go back only in one case, if u will have problems that covered by warranty.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 03:42:46 PM
Houston, we have a big "YES" on the Audio.

However, all of this "Won't Put B08 firmware back on '09" made me realize...I HAD B08 FIRMWARE !!! (as you can see in screenshots)

So, a question for the OP, how do I get it back on there if I need to get Applecare work done?

I do have the B08 firmware as a stand alone file...my work with the "other guy" who was working on this led to a software means of dumping that file.

Send me a PM I already have both B08 and a way to flash it if you want. I wouldn't recommend it though as it breaks booting from some esata cards.

I seem to recall that it is 4 Megs .

+1
I bought a used mac pro 4,1 quad 3.33 and I assume it will have this unofficial firmware. HOw to back up and if needed load it back ?

Send me a PM. I already have way of flashing any firmware file to the Mac pro including B08 which I have as well. I wouldn't recommend using B08 as it breaks booting from some esata cards.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tomthecat on May 16, 2011, 04:06:59 PM
Hi, I can also confirm, that I loaded in my 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 successfully, without any problems.

So my question: can i use 2 of this prozessors without any problem:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_224737.html

regards tom


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
Hi, I can also confirm, that I loaded in my 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 successfully, without any problems.

So my question: can i use 2 of this prozessors without any problem:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_224737.html

regards tom
No. You need dual QPI processors. ( E or X series xeons). That one has a single QPI


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 16, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
You will need to go back only in one case, if u will have problems that covered by warranty.

I just don´t want to ruin the second hand value of my Mac Pro, so it would be nice to be able to have it back to a Factory kind of state if or when the day of selling comes...or let´s say there will be trouble with the firmware hack to install Lion or whatever . Just in case ;)

2 simple questions.

1. Am i stupid planning to replace the W3580 quad 3.33 with a W3670 hexa 3.2 (with slower QPI and slower memory support?)  Shall I wait for a deal on W3680 ?
2. When applying the hack will the GTX 285 still be supported under "5,1" ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tomthecat on May 16, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
Hi, I can also confirm, that I loaded in my 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 successfully, without any problems.

So my question: can i use 2 of this prozessors without any problem:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_224737.html

regards tom
No. You need dual QPI processors. ( E or X series xeons). That one has a single QPI

Thanks

That means two of them:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_191474.html


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 16, 2011, 05:00:28 PM
@beto2k7 why won't you post your method or give us a link to hack B08/mac pro 5.1 firmware?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 05:12:34 PM
Hi, I can also confirm, that I loaded in my 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 successfully, without any problems.

So my question: can i use 2 of this prozessors without any problem:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_224737.html

regards tom
No. You need dual QPI processors. ( E or X series xeons). That one has a single QPI



Thanks

That means two of them:
http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_191474.html

Correct


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 05:13:31 PM
@beto2k7 why won't you post your method or give us a link to hack B08/mac pro 5.1 firmware?

Easy. It contains Apple copyrighted material i cannot freely and publicly distribute.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 16, 2011, 05:15:55 PM
oh I see ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pbobmagic on May 16, 2011, 06:40:15 PM
Has anyone managed to get an OSX install disks or Mac Pro recovery disks to actually work at boot? My original 10.6 install (from first launch containing 10.6.0) just sits on the Apple screen with no pin wheel. I'm surmising this has something to do with the version being prior to the release of the new 2010 machines but have no way to prove it. I can't find a 2010 recovery disk so am getting hold of a 10.7 DP2 disk to try that.

My fear is that come the release of a new OS (never mind the fact that I can't reinstall 0.6 currently without swapping CPU's back over) that the firmware update will be blocked or I will have to swap the CPU's back across and/or revert the firmware to install it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 16, 2011, 06:45:14 PM
well I think you need 10.6.8 installation disc, maybe 10.6.7. please give us a feedback when you install lion dp2!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 06:51:23 PM
Has anyone managed to get an OSX install disks or Mac Pro recovery disks to actually work at boot? My original 10.6 install (from first launch containing 10.6.0) just sits on the Apple screen with no pin wheel. I'm surmising this has something to do with the version being prior to the release of the new 2010 machines but have no way to prove it. I can't find a 2010 recovery disk so am getting hold of a 10.7 DP2 disk to try that.

My fear is that come the release of a new OS (never mind the fact that I can't reinstall 0.6 currently without swapping CPU's back over) that the firmware update will be blocked or I will have to swap the CPU's back across and/or revert the firmware to install it.

My 2009 (10.6.4) install disc and 2010 (10.6.4 too) install disc work ok on my Mac Pro. You should try that release. When u get lion please report back. Btw dp3 is already out


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 16, 2011, 07:07:13 PM


My 2009 (10.6.4) install disc and 2010 (10.6.4 too) install disc work ok on my Mac Pro. You should try that release. When u get lion please report back. Btw dp3 is already out

Lucky guy ! Most 2009 Mac Pro´s came with 10.5 restore DVD´s right?


BTW:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551

Feel free to delete this post if there is against the rule to post links to other forums but this link shows how to swap CPU´s in a 2010 MacPro single CPU with nice photos.
I guess the same applies to 2009 MacPro´s.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 07:08:47 PM


My 2009 (10.6.4) install disc and 2010 (10.6.4 too) install disc work ok on my Mac Pro. You should try that release. When u get lion please report back. Btw dp3 is already out

Lucky guy ! Most 2009 Mac Pro´s came with 10.5 restore DVD´s right?
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Indeed but if you bought it after snow Leo release (august 2009) they shipped with a copy of snow Leo as well.  I bought mine in dec 2009


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pbobmagic on May 16, 2011, 08:42:08 PM
Ok, so installation disk update.

Whilst this isn't definitive as developer previews may not have any or all final restrictions in place but 10.7 DP2 does start up on my mac. It took an absolute age and much whirring to get to the actual OSX install screen but it got there (15 mins on the pin wheel). So, fingers crossed, no problem.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 16, 2011, 09:01:16 PM
Ok, so installation disk update.

Whilst this isn't definitive as developer previews may not have any or all final restrictions in place but 10.7 DP2 does start up on my mac. It took an absolute age and much whirring to get to the actual OSX install screen but it got there (15 mins on the pin wheel). So, fingers crossed, no problem.

Excellent news. Try updating to dp3 maybe that improves performance on your machine. Is your ram being reported as 1333?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pbobmagic on May 16, 2011, 11:38:53 PM
Will update to DP3. The RAM in the machine is 1333 but will only ever be reported as 1066 as the 970 I installed only supports either 800 or 1066 by Intel design sadly. With overclocking not an option (not even sure how it would work with the onboard memory controller in such an installation at any rate) we will need someone with the Xeon 6 core equivalent to test that out.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wa5655 on May 17, 2011, 06:55:14 AM
So in overall summary, to try and get most information one may need in to one convenient response/post... Maybe with this someone can put together a guide or something. I know the answers to some, but I'd prefer if someone clarify these questions, and that way it'll maybe be a bit more organized.

1. Do we just go to the store and pick out any of the applicable Xeon CPU's that will fit in the Mac Pro socket? Any particular stepping? What about B0 stepping that I've seen a few of? ES? D0?

2. Is there any software modification beside the firmware update that we need to do? Will we need to Flash the CPU or something? (I assume some others *might* have that question, as I didn't find out the answer until recently)

3. Will we need to modify the CPU itself in any way, such as removing the Integrated Heat Spreader? Will we need to modify the Board or Fans in any way?

From quad to hex, it is really pretty straight forward.  From 8 to 12 (DP), you need to trim away/clip the plastic part on the stock heat sink in order to work--it is a bit hard  to visual, once you remove the heat sink, it is more obvious.

What I did to upgrade my 8 core 2.93 (MP 4.1) to 8 core 3.3 was:
1.  Remove the heat sink
2.  Trim away the plastic
3.  Add 2mm heat pad to replace the existing heat pad on the stock heat sink
4.  Add 2x1mm spacers at the four corners before reattach the heat sink to avoid over tighten
Just use a bit patient.   ;D

Of course, you could sand away the IHS.  But you have to know when to stop. ;D



4. How do we get around the Integrated heat spreader size issue? What change or modification should we make or look out for to avoid damaging the CPU/Board pins?

5. What should we do if we end up screwing up somehow, and ending up with say, broken pins, or damage to the CPU, short circuit, or other hazards mentioned in the anandtech and other articles? Is CPU damage covered by Intel warranty? Is there a simple process to get those RMA'd?

6. Should we wait until the next Intel generation of Xeon's come out? (5700's) for price drops? Is it possible that the next generation will be naturally compatible with the 2010 Mac Pro? or would that be for the 2011/2012 mac pro?

7. Can a single Xeon (such as a single X5690 or W3690) Be used in a Dual-Xeon mac pro on its own?

8. Will an i7 processor work in a Mac Pro?

9. Which Xeon's overall will work?

10. After doing the firmware upgrade, will the mac pro still be able to use the original 2009 Processors without issue?

11. Is it possible that this process will be put to use for when the 2011 Mac Pro becomes available?


I hope Apple realizes that with this, one of PC fanboys arguments that you can't upgrade a Mac is now somewhat null. If anything Apple should take this under their wing and support it, for the sake of preventing a lot of Ex-mac users who get tired of having to purchase full new mac pros. Maybe if they like, started offering an upgrade kit.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 17, 2011, 08:03:59 AM
How much RAM can you put in a firmware hacked Mac Pro 2009 single CPU ?
Will it be possible to use 3x8 GB?
And there should be no problem to put a W3690 inside?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 17, 2011, 08:58:10 AM
on quad machine you can put max 32 gb ram (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/stats/mac-pro-quad-core-2.66-early-2009-nehalem-specs.html)

better is to use 3x8gb config rather than 4x8gb, because of the performance (triple channel memory architecture)

w3690 - yes you can, it is the same processor as w3680 but with higher clock


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 17, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
Great !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacMarcus on May 17, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
Hi there,

I got three times the error message 5570, disabled the MacOs firewall and it worked!

Now I am on:

MP51.007F.B03

Now looking for new memory and a new CPU.

Great work and many thanks!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: electonic on May 17, 2011, 03:53:40 PM
I've got nothing important to add,
just my big thanks for the great work.
Even I managed to do it with your noob safe tool.

I just flashed my earl 2009 Quad 2.66 to 5,1. Everything worked like a charm.

Thanks again!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: electonic on May 17, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
Ok, maybe I can get away with one question I just can't figure out on my own:

With the 2010 firmware I could run a W3670 hex core in my 2009. That's clear.
But what about something like the E5645 ... will those work?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: durex on May 17, 2011, 06:13:39 PM

Is this coincidence or this just stops working In latest lion update?

Before you start a stampede, could you clarify what you mean by "THIS just stop working"

The app or the hack?

The hack. The app for me is unnecesary. I have another way of flashing any rom at will. Lion recognizes my machine as an "Early 2009 Mac Pro" (which it is) and the ram reverted to 1066MHz instead of 1333Mhz in Snow Leopard


@beto2k7
It's interesting to note that while your RAM speed appears to have been affected by the Lion DP3 update, your B1 stepped CPU is still working fine --- so the hack did not completely break B1-stepped CPU compatibility, and I wonder if there is some other reason for the memory to be reported as clocked slower.

I will report back on my success upgrading an early 2009 quad (currently with W3250) to a W3690 soon --- I have the CPU on hand.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: durex on May 18, 2011, 06:35:46 PM
First, thanks to everyone (especially MacEFIROM) and the many early adopters and testers who took many risks to make this possible --- you guys are awesome!

Just writing back with a report on upgrading my early 2009 base quad-core (W3250) to hex-core (W3690).  I followed the firmware upgrade utility instructions -- the firmware upgraded without any errors or warnings.  The first restart after the upgrade took a little longer than usual, but subsequent restarts were normal.  I then swapped out the CPU following a well-known guide at MacRumors by 'philipma1957' that applies to a 2010 MacPro, but the procedure is identical.

I've attached Geekbench screenshots (64-bit) showing the before and after results.  Great performance boost!

Note: I only have 1066MHz RAM at the moment which is what is shown in the screenshots.  I do not have 1333MHz RAM to test with at the moment.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 18, 2011, 07:47:34 PM
That is SOOOO great news !
Congrats !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: divotion on May 19, 2011, 07:46:20 AM
Work wunderfull... Thx verry mutch...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: electonic on May 19, 2011, 09:51:39 PM
My W3670 is on the way. Amd I'm pretty much a noob, so you all might be interested how this work out for me ;)
I'll report. Thanks for all the great work you are doing!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nira on May 20, 2011, 11:11:06 AM
I updated a Mac Pro 2009 successfully. It is has 2 Xeon X5570 ( 2.93 MHz , 2x4 Cores) and use 16GB RAM- 1066MHz DDR3 ECC 8x2GB can i upgrade in 64GB RAM with the Apple Memory Module 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM SDRAM - 8x8GB. Thanks..


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on May 21, 2011, 03:09:36 AM
Ok, maybe I can get away with one question I just can't figure out on my own:

With the 2010 firmware I could run a W3670 hex core in my 2009. That's clear.
But what about something like the E5645 ... will those work?

I can confirm this works. I swapped two 2.26 xeons for two 2.40 E5645 xeons. Works great!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 21, 2011, 06:28:31 AM
Ok, great. So the "2010" CPu´s  work in Lion but for some reason Lion can see the Mac is still a Mac Pro 4,1 ?
Doesn´t matter to me. The important thing is that we can use the hack for Lion too and use faster CPU´s.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on May 21, 2011, 07:18:44 AM
Ok, great. So the "2010" CPu´s  work in Lion but for some reason Lion can see the Mac is still a Mac Pro 4,1 ?
Doesn´t matter to me. The important thing is that we can use the hack for Lion too and use faster CPU´s.

No, the screen shot indicates Mac pro 5,1


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fairbanx on May 21, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
No, the screen shot indicates Mac pro 5,1

it's true for the system profiler, but "About this Mac" says "Early 2009"


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on May 21, 2011, 08:02:33 AM
No, the screen shot indicates Mac pro 5,1

it's true for the system profiler, but "About this Mac" says "Early 2009"

Right, the system profiler indicates it is an early 2009 mac pro, model identifier MacPro5,1. BTW who cares? It boots and runs fine with two 6-core chips.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tomthecat on May 21, 2011, 05:55:07 PM
Ok, maybe I can get away with one question I just can't figure out on my own:

With the 2010 firmware I could run a W3670 hex core in my 2009. That's clear.
But what about something like the E5645 ... will those work?

I can confirm this works. I swapped two 2.26 xeons for two 2.40 E5645 xeons. Works great!


Can you tell something about the speed difference?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on May 21, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
My reason for the cpu swap was for more cores to run more virtual machines at one time rather than speed. I just ran geekbench and the score was 20373. My previous was about 13900. I still have 16 gb of 1066 memory. I suspect this will improve when the 32gb of 1333 ram arrives.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacNovice on May 21, 2011, 11:45:32 PM
Does anyone know if  a 2.66 Nehalem 1066 MacPro4.1 upgraded  to MacPro5.1 & memory to 1333, will it now run at the 1333 speed? Or is it still determined by the CPU /& have to change to a Westmere? Also, what's the easy way of reverting back to MacPro4.1 if one has a change of heart?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 22, 2011, 12:36:43 AM
Does anyone know if  a 2.66 Nehalem 1066 MacPro4.1 upgraded  to MacPro5.1 & memory to 1333, will it now run at the 1333 speed? Or is it still determined by the CPU /& have to change to a Westmere? Also, what's the easy way of reverting back to MacPro4.1 if one has a change of heart?

The answers to your questions can best be found by dragging your eyes over top of printed text on these very pages.

This act is commonly referred to as "reading" and is a hold over from the text-printed-on-paper-with-ink days.

Still works if you try it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on May 22, 2011, 02:35:12 AM
Quote

The answers to your questions can best be found by dragging your eyes over top of printed text on these very pages.

This act is commonly referred to as "reading" and is a hold over from the text-printed-on-paper-with-ink days.

Still works if you try it.

Really? Why be like that? You wouldn't want that. The freakin thread is 11 pages. Everything you say is true but could be said in a non-confrontational way. Watch this:

As stated earlier in this huge thread, 1333 ram will work if your processor supports it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 22, 2011, 08:59:19 AM
I agree with Rominator ;D he should read the whole story before asking...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SWheart on May 22, 2011, 09:29:10 AM
I found your MP4, 1 Boot ROM version: MP41.0081.B07.
I was MP41.0081.B03. I have not updated "MacProEFIUpdate1.4.dmg"
I can not use the "MacPro2009-2010FirmwareTool"
(http://pic.yupoo.com/keng2010/B5nvRWDr/5KlFO.jpg)

My current system version is 10.5.8. When I open the "MacPro2009-2010FirmwareTool" as follows:
(http://pic.yupoo.com/keng2010/B5nvT8jO/xIOQk.png)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on May 23, 2011, 03:35:27 AM
After successfully changing the firmware of my 2009 to a 2010, I get a LOT of Kext's failing to load for some reason. I didn't change the processors.
Anyone else having this sort of issue?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 23, 2011, 04:26:18 AM
After successfully changing the firmware of my 2009 to a 2010, I get a LOT of Kext's failing to load for some reason. I didn't change the processors.
Anyone else having this sort of issue?

try booting K64


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on May 23, 2011, 05:00:36 AM
After successfully changing the firmware of my 2009 to a 2010, I get a LOT of Kext's failing to load for some reason. I didn't change the processors.
Anyone else having this sort of issue?

try booting K64

According to the System Profiler System Software overview it already is, with "64-Bit Kernel and Extensions" marked with a simple "Yes". I have no idea what could be causing this, i'll probably try reinstalling some of the software. But if that doesn't work, then I have no idea myself.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 23, 2011, 12:03:54 PM
well everything fine with my Mac Pro after update, I haven't changed cpu though, only ram (1333 mhz - for future cpu update w3690) no problems, no KP

how can I check if my kext are working fine? console?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 23, 2011, 07:36:02 PM
5,1 boots 64 by default

4,1 was 32

I can tell you this, the NVFlash kext doesn't run in 64 bit

to be able to flash Nvidia cards in OSX, I had to "cripple" my Pro to boot 32 all of the time

Any kexts that don't load are 32...if you want them to load, boot 32

or look for 64bit compatible ones


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: isergi on May 23, 2011, 11:05:18 PM
Can anyone tell me where can I download the utility and how to install it? Thank you!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 23, 2011, 11:37:47 PM
Can anyone tell me where can I download the utility and how to install it? Thank you!

first post.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 24, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Here is a link how to boot with 32 or 64 bit kernel or change default kernel for you having trouble with 64 bit kernel. For example guys with 3rd party hardware as PCIe audiointerfaces.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773

The only reason to boot with 64 bit kernel is when you have more then 32Gb of RAM, right ?
It has nothing to do whether your apps are running in 64 bit or not.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 24, 2011, 03:46:22 PM
Here is a link how to boot with 32 or 64 bit kernel or change default kernel for you having trouble with 64 bit kernel. For example guys with 3rd party hardware as PCIe audiointerfaces.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773

The only reason to boot with 64 bit kernel is when you have more then 32Gb of RAM, right ?
It has nothing to do whether your apps are running in 64 bit or not.

Having more than 32 GB is NOT the only reason to boot under K64. There are performance enhancements like faster system call entry points, faster user to kernel memory copy, etc. Prove of that is Geekbench scoring higher in k64 than k32.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 24, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
Here is a link how to boot with 32 or 64 bit kernel or change default kernel for you having trouble with 64 bit kernel. For example guys with 3rd party hardware as PCIe audiointerfaces.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773

The only reason to boot with 64 bit kernel is when you have more then 32Gb of RAM, right ?
It has nothing to do whether your apps are running in 64 bit or not.

Having more than 32 GB is NOT the only reason to boot under K64. There are performance enhancements like faster system call entry points, faster user to kernel memory copy, etc. Prove of that is Geekbench scoring higher in k64 than k32.

Ok, interesting. I know it is a huge difference between 32bit and 64 bit versions of Geekbench like 30 percent gain, how much with different kernels?
Btw I don´t have my 2009 MacPro yet, but will get it next Monday. Thats why I´m asking questions I may seem to be able to checkout myself...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: electonic on May 24, 2011, 05:52:04 PM
I just wanted to break into the post and tell you that I just finished upgrading a 2009 Mac Pro with a hex core w3670. What a performance boost. Thanks to you, Netkas. Great work.
It was quite easy, even for an amateur like me.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chickengas on May 25, 2011, 04:06:51 AM
When my computer has the 4,1 firmware, I can see my Windows 7 partion for bootcamp. When I changed the firmware to 5,1, the Windows 7 partition disappears from my desktop. Wassup with that?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 25, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Hey all

First of all: thanks a lot for this firmware upgrade! It's awesome to be able to get a proper CPU into a 2009 MP.

I just attempted to replace my quad-core 2.93 GHz Xeon (W3540) with a hexa-core 3.46 GHz Xeon (W3690). I'm sad to say that the Mac Pro did not boot after the swap, there wasn't even a start up chime. At first I thought I might have damaged something during the swap, but after putting the old CPU back in it boots fine.

Have been running my 2009 Mac Pro with 2010 firmware for a week or two prior do attempting the upgrade, and it still says MacPro5,1 in System Profiler, and MP51.007F.B03 boot ROM version.

Did anyone actually ever successfully upgrade a 2009 Mac Pro with the 3.46 GHZ hexa-core Xeon? I thought I read it somewhere, but all I can find now is reports of the 3.2 (W3670) or 3.33 GHz (W3680) hexa-core. Nevermind, durex did the 3.46 GHZ hexa-core upgrade successfully in a 2009 Mac Pro (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5282.html#msg5282). Apparently the search function of this board is a bit wonky, it only found one occurrence of "W3690" (it seems as if it only shows one result post, and when I searched that one was only a plan to use a W3690 not someone actually using one). :P
Anyway, either my W3690 CPU is defective (which I doubt) or I didn't do it properly (though apparently I did do it properly when I put the original CPU back in). I guess I'll try to swap them again and hope for the best...
Update: Second time around the hexa-core didn't boot either, so I put the quad-core back in. Then the first time it didn't boot either (no startup chime) so I pulled out the CPU tray, checked for dust/dirt on the connector (nothing there) and put it back in. After that the quad-core booted fine again.
I'll probably try the hexa-core a third time at some point and make really really really sure the CPU tray is seated properly. But for today I'm done trying.
Update: Tried again 2 days later, now it works!

Cheers, boli

P.S. A note of caution: do not use an allen wrench with a ball head! I tried one of these (http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smapimg/en/catalog/6mm-ball-head-hex-tip-handle-allen-wrench-hand-tool-96662c.jpg) (3mm version of course) and let me tell you it slipped in one of the five allen screws! I had to use a slightly shorter allen wrench with a flat head eventually (such as the one top right in the picture).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 26, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
do you have early 2009 (B07 firmware before update) or late 2009 (B08 firmware before update)? durex who menaged to update to hexacore have late 2009, maybe there is some slight hardware difference? Please verify the w3690 processor if it is not dead ;] Maybe more advanced users will help you out


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 26, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
I have an early 2009 MP (ordered right away when it was released), so it had B07 firmware.

I'm not quite sure how to verify the new Xeon is not dead, but I'd assume Intel tests them before giving them out to resellers. I was thinking I could take my upgraded CPU tray to work and test it in a coworkers's MP 2009. However he got it way later so it might well have B08 firmware - which means I couldn't get it back to the original firmware when I'm done.

Anyway, I still hope that maybe the connection of the CPU tray is a bit unfirm.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 26, 2011, 09:09:36 AM
As far as I know, some users managed to install hexacore successfully in mac pro 09 (B08) without even flashing it to mac pro 2010 firmware. I also have early mac pro 2009, so I'm very worried about your findings :/

Like you I hope the connection of the CPU tray is a bit unfirm :) It may be so, your default quad CPU failed to boot once too. Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 26, 2011, 12:56:59 PM
As far as I know, some users managed to install hexacore successfully in mac pro 09 (B08) without even flashing it to mac pro 2010 firmware.

Interesting, where did you read about this?

Quote
Like you I hope the connection of the CPU tray is a bit unfirm :) It may be so, your default quad CPU failed to boot once too. Good luck!

Thanks, I'd like to think this sounds like the most probable case as well. :) I'll give it another go this weekend...

BTW I asked a technician friend of mine about the CPU tray for the MP 2009. To look it up he needed the machine's serial number, so I gave him serials of my private 2009 MP with early *B07 firmware as well as a work 2009 MP with late *B08 firmware. The replacement CPU tray is the very same for both models, part number 661-4999 - it costs roughly 400 CHF (translates to about $460, but it's probably way cheaper in the US).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 26, 2011, 01:23:17 PM
here you go :) https://discussions.apple.com/message/12224753?messageID=12224753

if your technician friend is right, then w3690 should boot after firmware update. Try to insert and boot couple times and of course please give us a feedback :]


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 26, 2011, 01:42:33 PM
here you go :) https://discussions.apple.com/message/12224753?messageID=12224753

if your technician friend is right, then w3690 should boot after firmware update. Try to insert and boot couple times and of course please give us a feedback :]

Aye, will do.

Hmm, in the Apple discussion thread you linked the user romko23 wrote he's using a w3580, that's a "Bloomfield" (Nehalem series) quad-core Xeon 3.33 GHz, with 1333 MHz memory support, available since August 2009. But still, it's from the same family as the processors originally used in the 2009 Mac Pro, so to me it seems not to be that surprising it works with a more recent 2009 firmware. It's nice that he can actually use the 1333 memory though.

But then again he might have meant the w3680 instead, which would be 6-core Xeon "Gulftown" (Westmere series) released in March 2010.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 26, 2011, 01:54:33 PM
read his signature :] he changed not only ram, but also cpu


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 26, 2011, 02:13:30 PM
read his signature :] he changed not only ram, but also cpu

His signature also says "W3580" in addition to "2009 Westmere 6-core", so it's a bit inconsistent. So does his profile, which says Mid-2010 Mac Pro W3580. Also in the first post he wonders if it would be possible to upgrade to W3680. For my taste that's a bit too inconclusive; but yeah it could just be a typo or two. I think I'll just ask him. :) Update: Wut, can't send a PM in the apple forums!? So I had to add an OT post in a recent thread. :-/

There are multiple MacPro4,1 results in the GeekBench database with officially unsupported CPUs such as W3670 or W3680. Their BIOS starts with MP31, which suggests MacPro3,1 - which is also a bit weird.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 26, 2011, 02:31:36 PM
"2009 Westmere 6-core, WAS W3580 3.33 :)"

I understand that he changed his default w3580 3.33 (read carefully "WAS W3580 3.33") to w36xx which is his current 6-core cpu in Mac pro 2009. He had acomplished this before MacEFIRom released his hack. I read his story about 1 or 2 months ago.

that weird data from geekbench, I believe those are hackintoshes.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on May 26, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
B08 does NOT and Will NOT support B1 processors or faster ram


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: durex on May 27, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
do you have early 2009 (B07 firmware before update) or late 2009 (B08 firmware before update)? durex who menaged to update to hexacore have late 2009, maybe there is some slight hardware difference? Please verify the w3690 processor if it is not dead ;] Maybe more advanced users will help you out

I've been out of town, hence the late reply, but just to confirm for you that, as per my screenshots in an earlier post, I do have a 2009 MacPro, with the B08 firmware at the time of "upgrade".  I bought my MacPro around September 2009 and took it to Apple once --- they probably put the B08 firmware on it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fabriciom on May 27, 2011, 01:25:54 PM
Hey all

First of all: thanks a lot for this firmware upgrade! It's awesome to be able to get a proper CPU into a 2009 MP.

I just attempted to replace my quad-core 2.93 GHz Xeon (W3540) with a hexa-core 3.46 GHz Xeon (W3690). I'm sad to say that the Mac Pro did not boot after the swap, there wasn't even a start up chime. At first I thought I might have damaged something during the swap, but after putting the old CPU back in it boots fine.

Have been running my 2009 Mac Pro with 2010 firmware for a week or two prior do attempting the upgrade, and it still says MacPro5,1 in System Profiler, and MP51.007F.B03 boot ROM version.

Did anyone actually ever successfully upgrade a 2009 Mac Pro with the 3.46 GHZ hexa-core Xeon? I thought I read it somewhere, but all I can find now is reports of the 3.2 (W3670) or 3.33 GHz (W3680) hexa-core. Nevermind, durex did the 3.46 GHZ hexa-core upgrade successfully in a 2009 Mac Pro (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5282.html#msg5282). Apparently the search function of this board is a bit wonky, it only found one occurrence of "W3690" (it seems as if it only shows one result post, and when I searched that one was only a plan to use a W3690 not someone actually using one). :P
Anyway, either my W3690 CPU is defective (which I doubt) or I didn't do it properly (though apparently I did do it properly when I put the original CPU back in). I guess I'll try to swap them again and hope for the best...
Update: Second time around the hexa-core didn't boot either, so I put the quad-core back in. Then the first time it didn't boot either (no startup chime) so I pulled out the CPU tray, checked for dust/dirt on the connector (nothing there) and put it back in. After that the quad-core booted fine again.
I'll probably try the hexa-core a third time at some point and make really really really sure the CPU tray is seated properly. But for today I'm done trying.

Cheers, boli

P.S. A note of caution: do not use an allen wrench with a ball head! I tried one of these (http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smapimg/en/catalog/6mm-ball-head-hex-tip-handle-allen-wrench-hand-tool-96662c.jpg) (3mm version of course) and let me tell you it slipped in one of the five allen screws! I had to use a slightly shorter allen wrench with a flat head eventually (such as the one top right in the picture).

Try 1 CPU at a time with only memory for that slot. I also had some trouble getting my W5580 to work at first.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 27, 2011, 01:41:06 PM
He has the single CPU 2009 MacPro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 27, 2011, 07:53:52 PM
Like you I hope the connection of the CPU tray is a bit unfirm :) It may be so, your default quad CPU failed to boot once too. Good luck!

Thanks, I'd like to think this sounds like the most probable case as well. :) I'll give it another go this weekend...

Woohoo, it works now! ;D I suspect it was the CPU tray not seated properly. It worked on the first try today. What seemed to work well for me was to push the tray in as far as possible without touching the latches, which means the latches will turn a bit already, and only then pushing the latches closed until they are snug.

Also I did try to boot before adding the cooler, because screwing it on properly takes forever (did it 4 times on Wednesday). I force-shutdown the Mac right after I heard the start-up chime so as not to let the CPU heat up.

The RAM worked with 1066 MHz at first, until I reset the pram (just like others reported), now they run at 1333 MHz.

I attached Cinebench 11.5 and Geekbench results.

Cinebench CPU test:
Before: 5.28 pts (2.93 GHz Quad, W3540)
After: 9.24 pts (3.46 GHz Hexa, W3690)

Geekbench (64-bit) score:
Before: 10354 (2.93 GHz Quad, W3540)
After: 15492 (3.46 GHz Hexa W3690, 1066 MHz RAM)
After: 16625 (3.46 GHz Hexa W3690, 1333 MHz RAM)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: durex on May 27, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
Geekbench (64-bit) score:
Before: 10354 (2.93 GHz Quad, W3540)
After: 15492 (3.46 GHz Hexa W3690, 1333 MHz RAM)
After: 16625 (3.46 GHz Hexa W3690, 1333 MHz RAM)

Good job resolving your problems!  Terrific that it worked out for you!

Just wondering why there is a 1000 point difference in the Geekbench results above --- was one run actually with 1066 MHz RAM, or you did two runs back-to-back and got these different scores?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on May 27, 2011, 08:16:17 PM
Good catch, that was a copy/paste error, the lower score should have said 1066 MHz, it's fixed now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 28, 2011, 07:22:21 AM
Great news!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 100Years on May 30, 2011, 05:22:48 AM
From everything I've read here on this thread, it seems that this hack will not work properly from Lion DP3 (someone reported that the memory speed stays at 1066MHz).  Is this right?

If so, I wonder if the final/retail version of Lion will render the hack useless....?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on May 30, 2011, 08:52:35 AM
if this will be true, then simply I won't buy Lion :] performance boost is so great that I can stay on SL :]


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on May 30, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
bullshit, os cant change cpu/memory bootstraps, only very low level bios/efi code can do that.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on May 30, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Here is a link how to boot with 32 or 64 bit kernel or change default kernel for you having trouble with 64 bit kernel. For example guys with 3rd party hardware as PCIe audiointerfaces.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773

The only reason to boot with 64 bit kernel is when you have more then 32Gb of RAM, right ?
It has nothing to do whether your apps are running in 64 bit or not.

Having more than 32 GB is NOT the only reason to boot under K64. There are performance enhancements like faster system call entry points, faster user to kernel memory copy, etc. Prove of that is Geekbench scoring higher in k64 than k32.

I´ve got almost exactly the same result when running Geekbench 64 bit with 64 bit kernel VS 32 bit kernel 11707 points ( W3580 quad 3.33 ) so I still believe there is not much performance gain booting with 64 bit kernel.
Anyway I was lucky with the firmware update so I´m now waiting for my W3690 to arrive next week.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: iemopunk on May 30, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
thanks so much for this my 2009 is now a MacPro5.1 no problems at all during install :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 01, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
Please i need some help. I have (or "had") a 2010 octo Mac Pro. After using the tool to downgrade, just for test ( yes, i know, i´m stupid)
the machine doesn't boot any more . I cant even use the restoration tool, cause although i maintain pressing the power button, never get to flash.

Im desperate.


  Any help , please?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on June 01, 2011, 08:56:40 PM
Probably going to start collecting info for the list soon when school ends and summer starts. Heck, I may even try to put a guide together if I can get help.
I'm probably not going to actually end up upgrading my own processors until prices are much lower. To me it's simply not worth it, $1500 per processor, X4 for two Mac Pro 2009's, simply isn't worth it to me at least at this point and I might try building a new machine.

For the mean time however...

Ever since installing this upgrade, i noticed that when I hold down the option key at startup,the time between the screen turning grey, then bringing up the options, slowly seems to grow each day. At first after installing, it was upwards of 15 seconds before showing options. Now, it's closer to 2 minutes, and still increasing. Any idea what on earth could be causing it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on June 02, 2011, 04:51:38 AM
Please i need some help. I have (or "had") a 2010 octo Mac Pro. After using the tool to downgrade, just for test ( yes, i know, i´m stupid)
the machine doesn't boot any more . I cant even use the restoration tool, cause although i maintain pressing the power button, never get to flash.

Im desperate.


  Any help , please?

Stupidest thing ever. You need D0 nehalems. Flash back to 2010 and then and only then you will be able to use the B1 nehalems. Restoration CD only works when theres no BootRom in the EFI chip or is broken. You have a full working (just not in your machine for obvious reasons) 2009 FW.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AZREOSpecialist on June 02, 2011, 03:14:02 PM
Please i need some help. I have (or "had") a 2010 octo Mac Pro. After using the tool to downgrade, just for test ( yes, i know, i´m stupid)
the machine doesn't boot any more . I cant even use the restoration tool, cause although i maintain pressing the power button, never get to flash.

Im desperate.


  Any help , please?

You downgraded your 2010 Mac Pro to a firmware that doesn't support the CPU in your machine. You will now not be able to boot your machine until you swap out your CPU to something equivalent to a 2009 Mac Pro. I guess you didn't read all the instructions?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 02, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
AZREOSpecialist, correct. It´s my sorrow . Must be the stupidest boy on earth...  Im trying to get one E5520 Xeon processor, as i read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Pro

I suppose i will be able to boot with just one processor in socket A. Don´t you think so?


  Thank you very much for your help.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on June 03, 2011, 02:34:42 AM
Do you know anyone with a 2009?

If you just plugged a 2009 CPU tray in you would be good to reflash.

If you are in LA, you are welcome to bring your Mac to my place in Hollywood and do this.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 03, 2011, 06:41:17 AM
Rominator, i really thank you so much for the offer. That was very kind of you. But i live in Spain, in a small village where, i think, i am the only one who works on a Mac. Don´t know anyone with a Mac pro 2009.
A friend of mine is going to send me a E5520 Intel Xeon quad core processor. I have already dismantle the two processor sockets, protect them, cause it seems that contaminate them it´s very  easy, and now i am waiting for the processor to arrive by postal service.
Cross my fingers.....

Anyway, thank you again for the offer !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: beto2k7 on June 03, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
Do you know anyone with a 2009?

If you just plugged a 2009 CPU tray in you would be good to reflash.

If you are in LA, you are welcome to bring your Mac to my place in Hollywood and do this.



And also SMC firmware on the processor tray has to match the one on the backplane or it won't boot either.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on June 04, 2011, 06:55:23 AM
The Downgrade to 2009 function is a bit weird... Reverted back to 2009 on my 2009 mac pro...
And it will boot IF and ONLY IF No keyboard is attached at startup. If keyboard is attached, it will get stuck at first grey screen. Not even POST much. Not load any system or options. And it will cut all USB power completely.

Went back to 2010 to be safe.


Though just for future reference, where is the MP's EEPROM? Just in case Soldering is required in the event of Bricking, for other users.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 05, 2011, 09:01:44 AM
Newbie here. Im building a mac pro from new replacement parts mostly from applecomponents.com and ebay. I was planning to build a 2010 model with my dual e5620's that I already own. However the parts for the 2010 model are insane. My new plan is to build a stock single processor 2009 model and do the firmware hack then put a 990x in it or one of my e5620's. I really wish I could purchase a 2009 Backplane board with the firmware hack already applied. Does anyone here want to sell me their board, or could I ship them a board to apply the hack on? This would save me from having to buy a w3520 just to perform the firmware hack. Im extremely excited because i can now potentially save a lot of money by building a 2009 model mac with 2010 performance.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on June 05, 2011, 06:36:03 PM
I don't think that i7's like the 990X will work, since I think its a different socket.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 06, 2011, 05:07:56 PM
They should all be socket 1366.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 06, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
They should all be socket 1366.

Correct but why not pick the W3690 instead. It is the Xeon version of the 990X. I guess it will be more safe and gives the MacPro a better second hand value.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on June 07, 2011, 02:56:37 AM
It would be very nice if a courageous soul tried out a 990X in a mac pro. I dunno the risks though... Could that hurt the i7?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 07, 2011, 05:47:12 AM
Ya a w3690 would be better. Im a gamer though and come across trades for 980/990x cpus pretty often. No one in my pc forums ever has xeons except for the few others like me that own sr-2's. My goal is to buid a mac pro that can rival my sr-2 in performace and price. I currently have 2 e5620's which can oc to 4.0ghz. I need a hefty 6 core to match that speed. Also i prefer the single socket mp because the parts and heatsinks are cheaper, plus I have to build a running machine with a cheap cpu before I can apply the firmware upgrade. Im on a pretty limited budget so i may build a running mp and apply the firmware upgrade then swap cpu's when I can afford to. What guide is everyone using to replace mp cpus with modeks that have heatspreaders? Are they adding washers?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on June 07, 2011, 05:53:31 AM
I'm just leaving my MP 2009 with 2010 firmware for now. Even though i'm not changing the processors any time soon, it seems a lot happier overall with 2010 firmware than it was with its original 2009.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shakuh on June 07, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Looking at all those posts with great interest since I just bought a 2 years old MP 2009 with quad 2.66, sort of an investment for a few years, planning some upgrades. Interested to a 36XX hexacore, but a bit hesitant since Lion upgrade might bring problems later on with hacked 4.1 > 5.1 MP as mentionned about the RAM speed. Now that Dev. Lion is released, some new infos might be coming about compatibility with the hack, and feel safer to wait those before doing anything.
My questions: is it OK to buy some 1333 Ram for a MP2009, even if I will not make the hack, or eventually revert later to 4.1 if I do it. Will the Macpro 2009 4.1 work with crucial or other compatible brand 1333 Ram (running @ 1066)? Or inversely, will an hexacore work with a 1066 Ram?
To sum it up, seems that hexacore and 1333 work fine for most people who made the hack, and it is tempteing, but no one knows the fate of such Macpro even in near future, if someone want to upgrade with Lion and next, when basic Macpro with original 4.1 will be allowed to go a longer way, but with less speed. What could be the potential problems in the future with MP 2009 5.1, and does it brings the risk to have a stuck MPro, neither 4.1 nor 5.1?
Thanks for reading.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chickengas on June 11, 2011, 07:10:09 AM
I have a Mac Pro 2009 4,1 that I "updated" to a 5,1.  I just purchased and installed 24gb of Gskill 1333mhz ram.  Works beautifully without a hitch.  I don't know if links are permitted, so I won't post it.  Newegg has it for $134.99 for each 12gb triple channel set.  $270 for 24gb of ram...can't beat it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 11, 2011, 09:30:55 AM
Ok, that´s good, I wonder where you can buy compatible 8GB x 3  1333mhz RAM modules "cheap" for the single slot CPU Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chickengas on June 11, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
That would cost a fortune....I dunno.

The only issue I find (and I'm told it's not the computer or ram) is that my ram stil lshows up at 1066mhz.  The Gskill people tell me that only the 2.66 and above 8 core Mac Pro's utilitze 1333mhz.  I have a 2.26ghz 8 core.  I'm guessing thats the issue, but who knows.  Gskill told me to check my bios  :o


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 12, 2011, 07:41:41 AM
The RAM speed is determined by the CPU, and the Mac Pro firmware will not overclock it. If you install the Westmere CPU, and have RAM that is identified as 1333 or higher, it will run and perform at that speed, just like on the 2010 Mac Pro. You may have to do a PRAM reset after the upgrade for this to take effect. (Option-OpenApple-P-R at system boot time). Here is a link for memory that I tested that is a good value and worked perfectly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139268

You have to do a PRAM reset. Or your new CPU´s don´t support 1333 RAM ?
Edit, yes I guess your 2.26 CPU´s won´t support 1333.
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=40200


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 12, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
I should be ordering the parts for my 2009 mac pro shortly. I already received my new case and powersupply and they look great. I plan to run a w3570 and update the firmware then upgrade to a w3680 or 6 core equivalent when I get the cash. I was planning to buy my parts from applecomponents.com, if anyone knows a better place to buy the processor board and backplane from I would be very appreciative.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chickengas on June 13, 2011, 06:04:40 AM
I bought the 1333mhz because 1) it was a really good deal.  2) I plan to upgrade my processors in the future, but not my ram.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231405&cm_re=gskill_12gb-_-20-231-405-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231405&cm_re=gskill_12gb-_-20-231-405-_-Product)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 13, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Great Job!
Thanks a lot!
Just a few minutes ago, I had updated my Mac Pro (DUAL E5520,2.26GHz, 8 cores) from 4.1 to 5.1, very smoothly and easily.

I had already updated my RAM to 1333 24G(Kingston DDR3 1333 ECC 4G×6) a few months ago, now I should find two suitable CPUs to change my poor E5520s, could anybody give me some advises?  Intel Xeon X5670 (2.93G)or X5675(3.03G) is ok?
The Price of X5670 is $1157.8, and X5675 is $1204.
Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 14, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
Successfully upgraded from w3580 to w3690 Hexacore 3.46 Ghz.
Used Arctic Clean to clean the cooler and then Arctic MX4 Thermal Paste.
The CPU core temperature  seems 5-10 Celsius cooler now even though it is now a Hexacore!
I am really happy. I had some audio plugins that lost their licences though, due to the CPU replacement...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 15, 2011, 03:30:35 PM
Hello. My Mac Pro mid 2010 is back again ¡¡¡ . I dismantle the coolers, the cpus , ad put jus one E5220 processor. I think i cried then i heard that familiar chime at boot..... Then , reflash to 2010. And changed the cpus again.


  I would like to give thanks to all the guys that helped me. beto2k7 and AZREOSpecialist who put me in the right way. Rominator, to be so kind to offer his 2009 Mac Pro for fix mine.

  Thank you so much.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 15, 2011, 03:49:09 PM
Nice to hear !

Why don´t you try to downgrade to 2009 firmware again?  Maybe it will work this second time  ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 15, 2011, 04:13:41 PM
Do you think so? maybe i did something wong last time. Uhhmmmmm.......
 ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 17, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
Earlier tonight I have successfully installed the new EFI BIOS, making my Mac Pro 4,1 think it's a Mac Pro 5,1. Everything worked well.

Now I have replaced my two 4-core 2.29GHz processors (X5520) by two 6-core 2.8GHz processors (X5660). It's not the first processor I have installed, so I'm sure I did everything correctly. But when I power up the machine, the fans start spinning, but that's about it. All I get is two red LEDs at the processor sockets lighting up. I'm afraid this means something like the VDRs are unable to supply the required core voltage, or something like that. Does anybody know what this means?

Remark 1: The CPUs that came out are without IHS (integrated heat spreader). The new ones do have those. So the heat sink sits slightly higher, making the fan/sensor connector no longer make contact. So I took these connectors out of the heat sink, cut off the key pins and put them into their sockets before mounting the heat sink itself again.

Remark 2: No original Mac Pro was ever sold with an X5660. The slower X5650 is sold as the standard 6-core processor in the 12-core machine. And the faster X5670 is sold as the upgrade 6-core processor in the 12-core machine. Though I doubt this is the reason why it doesn't work...

Any help would be highly appreciated, before I put back the orinal processors. Though I don't think there will be an alternative...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 18, 2011, 02:22:02 AM
I pretty much built my 09 Mac pro today. All of the parts came except for my CPU and heatsink so I put everything together that I could and I am waiting on the rest of the parts. I can't wait to upgrade this baby to 5.1. Then I can upgrade my 3.2ghz quad to a 3.2ghz 6 core I7 970.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 18, 2011, 06:31:43 AM

Remark 1: The CPUs that came out are without IHS (integrated heat spreader). The new ones do have those. So the heat sink sits slightly higher, making the fan/sensor connector no longer make contact. So I took these connectors out of the heat sink, cut off the key pins and put them into their sockets before mounting the heat sink itself again.

Remark 2: No original Mac Pro was ever sold with an X5660. The slower X5650 is sold as the standard 6-core processor in the 12-core machine. And the faster X5670 is sold as the upgrade 6-core processor in the 12-core machine. Though I doubt this is the reason why it doesn't work...
Had you increased the thickness of the thermal padding at the rim of the heat sink where the little voltage regulators contacted by the padding? As MacEFIROM said before, The difference in height between the non-IHS CPUs and the normal CPUs with IHS attached is 2.24 mm(the other's measurement is 1.96mm), so 2mm washers and thermal pad would be a good choice.

MacEFIROM also verified both the W3680 and the X5680 worked in the 2009 Mac Pro, the other used E5645 is also no problem, So W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model would be ok.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 18, 2011, 06:43:06 AM
Mindbender, i hope it´s not something that i could saw in a Mac Pro 2009 last year. The cpu slots are very very delicated. If just one of the contact is bend, bad stuff. After a replace of thermal grease, all that Mac Pro did was spinning all fans at maximum. Not even a signal video, or a chime. If this is your case, try to replace the old processors, just to be sure this is not your case.
 If it is, you can get a new processor board at Ebay, nout much expensive.


 Hope it helps.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 09:52:34 AM
Had you increased the thickness of the thermal padding at the rim of the heat sink where the little voltage regulators contacted by the padding? As MacEFIROM said before, The difference in height between the non-IHS CPUs and the normal CPUs with IHS attached is 2.24 mm(the other's measurement is 1.96mm), so 2mm washers and thermal pad would be a good choice.
I have to admit: At first I regarded your comment as 'useful, but not the cause of my problem'. But now you may have saved me from tossing out two perfectly good X5660 processors. Thank you so much!

Over-tightening was definitely the problem. The irony is that I actually own a precision torq screwdriver to tighten BGA ZIF sockets and jobs like this. But the long torx required wasn't easily available for it. Now I understand that the screws are supposed to be stopped by the stud they screw on and to keep this method working, it has to be raised. I now have 2.5 mm of washers on top of each. Hint: Use a good caliper to select the washers, as they usually vary in thickness.

The silicon thermal pads were an interesting suggestion too: I had falsely assumed it was thick enough to deal with the extra space, but it doesn't. And the voltage regulators absolutely require cooling. Fortunately I still had a pad of this material in my hobby room. I never would have found it if I hadn't stumbled upon it coincidentally last week. The pad was think enough to fill the space, so I cut it in strips and now it fits perfectly.

After loosening the screws I still have a red LED issue, but that seems to be more related to a DIMM. The machine sees 2 6-core 2.8GHz processors (whoohoo!) but only one of the two DIMMs I had installed. Moving the DIMM in slot 1 to slot 2 made both of them available and kept the red LED off, so it was either not inserted properly, or there are still a couple of wonky contacts under the CPU. I will work on that now.

Remark: I have two Kingston KTA-MP1333/4G DIMMs installed. I ordered eight, but only two were in stock, enough to start tinkering. This memory is specially made for a Mac Pro. It features ECC and a thermal sensor. It's supposed to be 1333MHz, but unfortunately my machine only sees is at 1064MHz. But after my disappointment yesterday and my relief this morning, I can live with that ;-)

Will report back here soon!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 09:59:26 AM
The cpu slots are very very delicated. If just one of the contact is bend, bad stuff
This may be the cause of one of my DIMM slots to fail. But I will remove the processor again to make sure. I think I could bend a bent pin back in place: I have fine tweezers, a stereo microscope and a steady hand, so I should be fine. Will report back soon!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 18, 2011, 10:02:58 AM
@Mindbender. You have to reset PRAM to make your "4,1" see and benfit from 1333 RAM.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379
Also, you should use 3 +3 RAM modules for best performance as Westmere CPU´s using tripple channel technology. Why Apple decided to put 4 +4 slots on the Logic board is still a mystery.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 10:47:23 AM
You have to reset PRAM to make your "4,1" see and benfit from 1333 RAM.
Good point! I did zap it after upgrading to 5,1. But I didn't do that after I got my new processors to work. Will do right away! Sorry to bother you guys with this: I could and should have figured that out myself.
Also, you should use 3 +3 RAM modules for best performance as Westmere CPU´s using tripple channel technology. Why Apple decided to put 4 +4 slots on the Logic board is still a mystery.
Got that. I was in doubt of getting 24GiB (faster) or 32GiB (more) and I chose for the latter because I'm intending to run a virtual machine to cross compile my software. I figured giving an extra 8GiB to the virtual machine would be more beneficial than balancing the 3 channels.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 11:44:36 AM
You have to reset PRAM to make your "4,1" see and benfit from 1333 RAM.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379
I'm sorry to wander off-topic a bit here, but my PRAM just won't zap. I'm holding down <CMD>+<ALT>+<p>+<r>, but no second chime. Instead the machine just boots. I did do this successfully with this machine after upgrading EFI, but now it's just ignored. I have tried all recommendations of pulling the AC plug, pushing the power button while unplugged, etc. I have even removed the battery for some time, but nothing is zapped (except for the real time clock). Any suggestions? Anybody knows what the button close the the battery is for?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 18, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
To MindBender:
I hope you everything is fine, anyway, the X5660s are not the reason that your Mac Pro didn't work as other guys had already successfully replaced their Cpus by using the different CPUs such as X5680 and E5645 which are also not the original CPUs accept by Apple. I also plan to replace my E5520 to X5675(or X5670) when I have time to do it.

Looking forward to hearing your good news!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
Good news!
My machine works! Two X5660 6-processors are running and all memory slots work. To anybody upgrading the processors: The 2mm thick washers are crucial. Without them the heat sink is easily overtightened or tightened asymmetrically, leading to poor contacts. Thicker silicon thermal pads between the processor voltage regulators and the heat sing are essential too. They are hard to get, but available on eBay.

My KNP Technologies somehow stopped allowing me to zap my PRAM. So I picked up an Apple keyboard and with PRAM zapped properly, my memory is indeed running at 1333MHz. I'm at a Geekbench score of 21550 (32-bit) now. That will probably go up when the remaining 24GiB of memory has arrived.

Now I'm installing the OCZ Revodrive X2; Another challenge, but with this kind of luck I'd better not stop ;-)

Thank you very much guys, this mod rocks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 18, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
THATS GREAT , MINDBENDER ¡¡¡¡¡¡


  Congratulations. Great job ¡¡¡¡¡


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 18, 2011, 04:55:27 PM
Good news!
My machine works! Two X5660 6-processors are running and all memory slots work. To anybody upgrading the processors: The 2mm thick washers are crucial. Without them the heat sink is easily overtightened or tightened asymmetrically, leading to poor contacts. Thicker silicon thermal pads between the processor voltage regulators and the heat sing are essential too. They are hard to get, but available on eBay.

 Congratulation!! As I mentioned before, 2mm washers and thermal pad are necessary to successfully make the machine working (I learned from the other friends' experiences) . Now it's the time to order a pair of X5675s to replace my poor E5520s, I had updated my RAM to 24G a month ago( Kingston DDR3 1333 ECC 4G*6).

Thanks your information again! Would you mind telling me what sizes of the inner diameter and outer diameter of the washers are? I had order a set of 2mm red copper pieces to make the washers by myself (it's difficult to order the washers on the internet), but I don't know the size of the washer. Does it matter to use the copper to make the washer? Could you write down more details and the procedures of how to finish the job step by step? thank you for your help!

I had also installed two SSDs in my machine(one is 160G intel G3 SSD to install the OS X system, and the other one is 120 G intel G2 SSD to install Windows 7 64bit system by Parallels Desktop), all these two SSDs were installed into the CD/DVD/CD-RW Drive cage, and the CD/DVD/CD-RW Driver had been installed in a the external DVD driver box connected by E-Sata connector.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 18, 2011, 09:53:25 PM
I'm very grateful to the people making this patch possible and the helpful people on this forum who have solved the problem after I already gave up yesterday evening. Thank you very much!

I needed a fast machine for my job on a short term. I wanted a 12-core Mac Pro, but that model can be replaced any time now. If is spend that much money on a Mac, I want it to be the 'latest and greatest' for a bit more than two months. But because I need one now, I decided to go for a temporary machine, selling it off when the new Mac Pro would come out. I considered a fast iMac i7 because those are easy to sell, but want the expandability that comes with a Mac Pro. So I picked up a used standard 8-core machine, without any memory, last monday. I paid 1800 Euro for it. Not cheap, but others asked even more. Anticipating on buying a new Mac Pro down the line, I ordered 32GiB of 1333MHz memory instead of 1064MHz.

I read about this upgrade before, when I was looking for a video card. And coincidentally I stumbled upon a classified of a guy selling an X5660. So I asked him what he asked for it. He asked 500 Euro for it: A steal in my opinion. I discussed with him this being a long term project, because finding a second one could be difficult. He said he had two of them and that's when it got interesting. I paid 950 Euro for the two processors together.

Thanks to you guys I now have a 6000 Euro value machine for less than half of that price! And considering how fast it is, I don't think I will sell it off when the new Mac Pro comes out. This machine will serve me well for the coming years.

The Revodrive X2 is very fast, but as expected, the Mac Pro won't boot from it. So I may return it and get a regular 3.5" SSD in return. Video isn't that important to me: I just compile Linux Kernels.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 18, 2011, 10:39:55 PM
It's not easy to find a 3.5 SSD, but you can easily buy a 2.5 SSD and a 2.5 to 5.25 CD/DVD drive adaptor, install the 2.5 SSD in the adaptor, then set them in the CD/DVD drive cage, there is a SATA connector more inside the cage, I even installed two SSD there. Now you still have four hard drive bays to set up your other HDDs. I think it' a good way for you if you already have four hard drives before, or you also can buy a 2.5 SSD and a 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor, then set up them in the hard drive bay.
 The intel G3 SSD is also fast enough to install the system and the price is ok.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cinzanno on June 19, 2011, 04:11:28 AM
You don´t need any adapter for the SSD´s. As there are no mechanical movement on this drives, there is no need to tight them. You can use the other SATA port behind the dvd unit, and leave it "as it is". In my case, i removed the dvd unit, and put it in a Usb enclosure. Nowadays, rarely i use the dvd unit. I have two 64GB C300 SSD (not much expensive now in Ebay) in Raid 0 in the DVD´s box,where i have installed the OS and Apps, not tightened, that reaches 550Mb/s in read speed. 4 Seagate hard drives in the "normal" bays.


  Hope it helps.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 19, 2011, 09:50:45 AM
Would you mind telling me what sizes of the inner diameter and outer diameter of the washers are? I had order a set of 2mm red copper pieces to make the washers by myself.
Don't order anything special, that's just a waste. I used regular M4 washers, as plain as they come, with an inner diameter of 4.4 mm and an outer diameter of 8.9 mm. The inner diameter has to fit an M4 bolt, so anything bigger than 4.1 mm will fit. The outer diameter may be slightly bigger before it starts interfering with the IHS.

Mine varied in thickness between 0.6 and 0.9 mm, so it was just a matter of selecting three that made 2.0 mm stacked together. For one processor I actually used 2.5 mm, because I mis-read the post. But given the trouble I had, I'm not going to change that anymore. What is important is that all 4 washers on a single processor have exactly the same thickness. They don't need to be copper ether. Galvanized iron will do just fine.

If you're going to spend money, get a good caliper: An analog Mitutoyo with nonius scale is still way more accurate than a cheap modern digital one. Good tools are never a waste, custom made copper washers I'm afraid are.

Another tool you will need is a Torx size T15 screwdriver. And I mean a real screwdriver, not some McGuyver toy set with a handle, bits and interchangeable parts, because they won't fit the holes in the heat sink. The shaft should be at least 75 mm long and not thicker than 5 mm along its length.

The only material need is a Thermal Interface Pad for the voltage regulators. I had one laying around, so I used that. It's a rubber like material that's so soft it almost feels like putty. I think it's silicone, but I'm not sure. I think Fujipoly makes them, but if you search eBay for international suppliers for 'Silicone thermal pad' you will find them. Make sure get one at least 5 mm think. Mine was 50x50 mm big and it was just enough to cut up into the pieces I needed.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 19, 2011, 11:00:57 AM
Would you mind telling me what sizes of the inner diameter and outer diameter of the washers are? I had order a set of 2mm red copper pieces to make the washers by myself.
Don't order anything special, that's just a waste. I used regular M4 washers, as plain as they come, with an inner diameter of 4.4 mm and an outer diameter of 8.9 mm. The inner diameter has to fix an M4 bolt, so anything bigger than 4.1 mm will fit. The outer diameter may be slightly bigger before it starts interfering with the IHS.

Mine varied in thickness between 0.6 and 0.9 mm, so it was just a matter of selecting three that made 2.0 mm stacked together. For one processor I actually used 2.5 mm, because I mis-read the post. But given the trouble I had, I'm not going to change that anymore. What is important is that all 4 washers on a single processor have exactly the same thickness.

If you're going to spend money, get a good caliper: An analog Mitutoyo with nonius scale is still way more accurate than a cheap modern digital one. Good tools are never a waste, custom made copper washers I'm afraid are.

I will post more detailed instructions later.

Thanks a lot!! your information is definitely helpful for me!

Now I already had the tools and the materials for using, including a 3mm hex wrench with 10cm length, a piece of 2mm thick thermal pad, arctic silver kit, and a scale, I'm still looking for the properly washers (If M4 is ok, I can easily order it on the internet).

The retail processors I would plan to buy from a local tradesman as they are easy to be changed if I have any problem with them,  now I still hesitate which one I should buy between X5670 and X5675, The Prices of the Intel Xeon X5670 (2.93G)and X5675(3.03G) are little different (X5670 is $1157.8, and X5675 is $1204), the X5675 is a little big high speed, but the X5670 is accepted by Apple as a update processor which sounds less risky to me.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 19, 2011, 01:22:18 PM
Make sure get one at least 5 mm think. Mine was 50x50 mm big and it was just enough to cut up into the pieces I needed

So you removed the original thermal pad away completely, and placed the new thermal pad with 5mm thick at the rim of the heat sink?

Can I just add a 2mm thick thermal pad on the original thermal pad to increase the height instead of removing the original one away? I had a piece of 2mm thermal pad at hand, if it's much better to place one whole layer with 5mm thick than place a 2mm thermal pad on the original one, I would buy a new 5mm thick silicon thermal pad.

 BTW: As your advice, I had ordered a set of 1mm thick galvanized iron M4 washers (4.3mm*8mm*1mm), I would get them two days later.

Thank you so much! highly appreciated what you did for me!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 19, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Now I already had the tools and the materials for using, including a 3mm hex wrench with 10cm length, a piece of 2mm thick thermal pad, arctic silver kit, and a scale, I'm still looking for the properly washers (If M4 is ok, I can easily order it on the internet).
It's not completely clear what you need the hex wrench (allen key?) and the scale for. An allen key may fit a Torx screw and even a properly sized flat head screwdriver will. But you will damage the screw, leaving behind little metal splinters or you may even strip the entire screw. Since they are in fact long nuts with a screw head on top, they are almost impossible to replace. So please take my advice and pick up a T15 sized Torx screwdriver with a >75 mm shaft. And what's the scale for? Did I forget something?
The retail processors I would plan to buy from a local tradesman as they are easy to be changed if I have any problem with them,  now I still hesitate which one I should buy between X5670 and X5675, The Prices of the Intel Xeon X5670 (2.93G)and X5675(3.03G) are little different (X5670 is $1157.8, and X5675 is $1204), the X5675 is a little big high speed, but the X5670 is accepted by Apple as a update processor which sounds less risky to me.
I think any of those will be accepted by your Mac. But you may have a problem with the amount of heat produced an the current drawn. But since both have a maximum TDP of 95 Watt, I don't think there's much of a difference. Using two X5680s may get you into trouble, as they have a maximum TDP of 130 Watt, drawing significantly more current and producing significantly more heat.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 19, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
So you removed the original thermal pad away completely, and placed the new thermal pad with 5mm thick at the rim of the heat sink?
Yes, that's what I did. I still had some of that stuff around and it was thick enough to fill the gap, with enough to spare to be squeezed in between a bit.
My thermal pad was covered by little fibre glass mats on both sides. I carefully removed those, as they lowered thermal conductivity. It also makes the material stick to both surfaces. But it does make the material more vulnerable to tearing, so be careful.
Can I just add a 2mm thick thermal pad on the original thermal pad to increase the height instead of removing the original one away? I had a piece of 2mm thermal pad at hand, if it's much better to place one whole layer with 5mm thick than place a 2mm thermal pad on the original one, I would buy a new 5mm thick silicon thermal pad.
I think a single thermal pad will be better than two stacked. But I also think it doesn't matter very much in the end. The voltage regulators aren't supposed to generate a lot of heat anyway.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on June 19, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
It's not completely clear what you need the hex wrench (allen key?) and the scale for. An allen key may fit a Torx screw and even a properly sized flat head screwdriver will. But you will damage the screw, leaving behind little metal splinters or you may even strip the entire screw. Since they are in fact long nuts with a screw head on top, they are almost impossible to replace. So please take my advice and pick up a T15 sized Torx screwdriver with a >75 mm shaft. And what's the scale for? Did I forget something?

I do take your advice and had ordered a T15 sized Torx screwdriver on the internet a few minutes ago (and a piece of 5mm thick silicon thermal pad too). ;D, yes, last week I bought a hex allen key at the local market with a ball head (as somebody recommended in this forum before), but I thought T15 sized Torx screwdriver maybe much better as your recommended. the scale (I used a wrong word :)), I mean caliper ;D (I had a Mitutoyo with nonius scale which I bought it  for the other application a year ago) to measure the thickness of the washers.
(http://imgout.ph.126.net/754008/754008.jpg)

Actually, the processor I would choose X5670 or X5670 is because of it's maximum TDP is 95 Watt which is close to the E5520 with maximum TDP of 80 Watt, the reason what I hesitated before is because of Apple used the X5670 to be a update processor option, but now you had also verified the other processor works successfully, I would like to buy a pare of X5675s if they are available.

So, now I had got everything ready except the processors, I would buy the processors a few days later and then do the job.
(http://imgout.ph.126.net/754018/754018.jpg)
ArctiClean Kit 60ml
(http://imgout.ph.126.net/754020/754020.jpg)
ArctiSilver 5
(http://imgout.ph.126.net/754021/754021.jpg)
1mm thick,4.3*8mm Washers
(http://imgout.ph.126.net/754022/754022.jpg)
Silicon thermal pads with 2mm and 5mm thick

Thank you again!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on June 20, 2011, 07:49:55 PM
I love the photos! I hope you have the patience to make step-by-step photos and post them here on the forum. I never have been a patient person myself, I'm afraid.

The caliper is perfect! Not an nonius (vernier) readout, but a quality digital version, even better. I've got one too, but mine measures mm instead of inches. When measuring the washers, only use the tip of the caliper, to prevent measuring extra thickness in case it's bent a bit.

I have found Intel specifications, showing the total hight of a processor with IHS from the bottom of the substrate to the top of the IHS is typically between 4.377 and 4.757 mm, so lets say a little above 4.5 mm on average. I couldn't find anything on the version without IHS, but I have measure mine to be 2.38 mm. So if we assume mine is average, adding 2 mm worth of washers will be on de safe side. 2.5 mm Will be the maximum, but I won't remove mine anymore ;-)

I have used Artic Silver 5 too, though I think any other thermal grease will do. I always wonder why I never see AS5 in industrial applications, if it's really that good. Anyway, I usually use aceton to clean it off, or my girlfriend's nail polish remover if I'm out. But having the special stuff you do can only make things better. Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 21, 2011, 05:00:12 AM
Ok a little worried now. I just built my mac pro and it shows the MP41:0081:b08 Boot Rom Version which is the same as the refurbished macs from what I read. I ran the firware tool and my mac pro is stuck on the creating RamDisk Screen. I'm typing on the mac pro now and it has been on the same Creating RamDisk screen for like 10 minutes. Should I exit out of the program? I'm assuming this is not normal. I don't want to screw anything up.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bigbrag on June 21, 2011, 05:30:32 AM
Well I finally got it to work. I reset the pram and and that seemed to the trick. It was difficult to figure out because I am on a windows keyboard. Loving my new mac pro 5.1 3.2ghz Quad. All for about $1400 new, thanks to building it myself. Yay!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: newstatic42 on June 21, 2011, 04:44:18 PM
Would it be possible to use a X5687 processor in a quad core 2010 Mac Pro


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pbobmagic on June 22, 2011, 08:25:04 PM
Evening all,

Will Apple announcing that clean installs of Lion would require an existing install of Snow Leopard have we worked out what install disks will actually work on upgraded 2009 machines?

My original SL disk will not load and I can't find a 2010 recovery disk anywhere online. Only disk I can boot from so far are Lion DP's but I suspect this will offer no legitmate upgrade path to Lion.

Has anyone given this some thought?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on June 23, 2011, 02:44:33 AM
I use 10.7 lion on my upgraded 2009 dual e5645


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on June 25, 2011, 12:21:20 PM
I bought a hex allen key at the local market with a ball head (as somebody recommended in this forum before)

Dunno if you mean me, but I recommended against (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5389.html#msg5389) using one with a ball head:

Quote
A note of caution: do not use an allen wrench with a ball head! I tried one of these (http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smapimg/en/catalog/6mm-ball-head-hex-tip-handle-allen-wrench-hand-tool-96662c.jpg) (3mm version of course) and let me tell you it slipped in one of the five allen screws! I had to use a slightly shorter allen wrench with a flat head eventually (such as the one top right in the picture).



With Apple announcing that clean installs of Lion would require an existing install of Snow Leopard have we worked out what install disks will actually work on upgraded 2009 machines?

You need MP 2010 (or very late MP 2009) media (v10.6.4) to reinstall SL on an upgraded 2009 MP. So ask a friend with a 2010 MP to copy/borrow them.
I got mine from a 2010 MP at work, where I administrate the Macs. Before you ask: I will not redistribute them.

Not sure if there are retail SL discs with a version newer than 10.6.4 on it, if such a thing exists it should work as well.

Alternatively you could buy a USB stick to clone a current OS partition onto. Personally I always have a partition with an emergency OS, which is small enough (6.1 GB in my case) to fit onto a USB stick together with the Lion disk image (the Lion DP4 image is 3.72 GB).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shakuh on June 28, 2011, 06:13:36 PM
In order to move safely, being a newbee here, if someone could tell if my move is correct:
Actually have a MP 2009 2.66, very eary model.
Plan to buy 12Go 1333 Mhz Ram
a Xeon W3670
make the 4.1 to 5.1 upgrade : so far, the Mac should work with older Ram and original Proc.
Then change both ram and proc. and hopefully having both working fine, and the Ram running @ 1333 ; )
But would it be possible to use a 1333 Ram before changing the Proc. and / or updating to 5.1, as my first need is more Ram ?

Another point, having installed an SSD OCZ vertex2, allowing the TRIM throught Trim Enabler, would that be done rather after updating 4.1 > 5.1 or is it irrelevant ?
Any advice?
Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on July 01, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
@shakuh:
1. The 12 GB RAM should work even with the old CPU, but it will run at 1067 MHz until you change the firmware and switch the CPU to one that supports 1333 MHz RAM (and reset parameter ram). BTW the W3670 (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=47918) does not support 1333 MHz RAM apparently.
2. Irrelevant, it shouldn't matter.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shakuh on July 02, 2011, 12:45:11 AM
@boli
thank you boli for taking of your time for answering! You are right, heard 3670 worked with both, so probably better to use 1067 Mhz Ram, heard that compared to underclocked 1333, they bring similar or slightly better result.
Was adviced to go for a boxed plain W3670 rather than a ES version of W3680 that can be found on ebay for similar price, heard compatibility with Mac is not garanteed. And speed difference is marginal anyway.
Thanks again!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: clyde2801 on July 05, 2011, 04:59:45 PM
Quick question...has anyone installed the '10 software on an '01 Mac Pro and then installed 10.7 Lion?  If so, did the new OS and software hack play well together?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on July 17, 2011, 11:33:48 AM
My upgraded MP 2009 works fine in Lion (the alleged GM version). It still says MacPro5,1 in system profiler and the RAM still runs at 1333 MHz.

The only software that doesn't work anymore is Net Monitor (http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/6172/net-monitor), but I expect there will probably be an update soon. In the mean time I'm using MenuMeters (http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/10451/menumeters) to display network throughput.

The other stuff just works. But then again I only installed Lion last night, so my experience is rather limited.

Update:
Interesting, System Profiler always tried to connect to Apple when displaying the new System Profiler's "About This Mac" dialog. I usually did not allow the connection (thanks Little Snitch (http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/10426/little-snitch)), but just now I let it connect just once.
What happened is that the text "Anfang 2009" appeared below "Mac Pro". "Anfang 2009" seems to be the German term Apple uses for "Early 2009". I haven't checked what was sent/received, but I suspect it sent the serial number to determine the model.
Note this did not change the Model Identifier in the classical list view of System Profiler.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 01:04:02 PM
Delete the same post,sorry


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 01:54:18 PM
Why can't I see my post here? :-[


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on July 19, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
I can´t see it either. I´ve got an email notification, there was a new post in this thread but nothing until your new post about the missing post :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
This is also the same post,sorry!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 03:33:05 PM
Ok, I do it again, maybe it's just too long and too many pictures to show here.
______________________________________________
I had already upgraded my Mac Pro (535, 2.26*2) from E5520s to X5675s successfully.

System Profiler before:
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/se_gOkxRw9t2WJg_OyfmRhn2K+0u4oWsV9bn_OjNy0YUygDrD0N8I1Q==.jpg)

and after:
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sDOWuUS5lMExg5mkJ+9ZrkOlHekcQ1P1bkR2yu_QCBGAG6oCNETfdUw==.jpg)
__________________________________________________
The tools and materials I used:
1. Silicon thermal pad with 5mm thick to take place of the original one:
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sNyr6BML2BBTWwYoofEpe8P79tGxDDGblyyr333IPF9AOGqLL8pWVoQ==.jpg)

2. 3mm flat head hex wrench with 10cm length:
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sHUkgb2HBx5POBVArhjx7+Akn9Zh5yICLSgcTLqUpXDigvI2bJyHxPg==.jpg)

3. The arctic silver kit:
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sk+shYdIIf8uMXYjS+ChoJNc+m7+R270rIuYB0pc9+JRH9xKofjzbgQ==.jpg)
ArctiClean

 (http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sAAdVPpG3T+2_3OWUhwB4Ek+a2mYCZs9KdE37_O03cJ27qicu_jgAKg==.jpg)
Arctic Silver 5 CPU thermal grease

4. M4 washers with 1mm thick
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sUsPHrzF_0gezomtx9v_MhKLsXtI1LqeNDk9sCr359MQ_j++yvMV9Nw==.jpg)

5. The new processors are Intel Xeon X5675s
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sx0wUv_36UgRG77lD+zleRm+exDSjtSGi8d8tGnbU5wKOYwuet6r+oQ==.jpg)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 03:43:24 PM
Procedures:
Step one: Removing the heatsink
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/s3hriypJ3L1rCGGk4XCHWCIfA4Oh9y38_gDsOU9jFSnSKHbYllh3SKQ==.jpg)

and you would find the original processor would be pulled out with the heatsink
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/syWkrPlOmDjK1lyjy7nF8T49i7nCr5wxZDpTslXl+kioJIwq7hI6lBQ==.jpg)

Step two: Cleaning the heatsink and modifying the heatsink fan connector

The heatsink fan connector before modify
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/scVKxf8oKB5HoPxloOD8o1YHbtnU_xE3DqwU4lwTAPl0t7rnXBqwM7w==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sOkUaj0CuinmzYm_o67kWi9GBwTnvDiD7nF9jFvZNCq+f_hwbdQfj7g==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/ssSDH45Jiys_lulJMfwh8ZUyDrU3z6bY01UawY8d6CD2yhtrl0xHnHg==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/smpGOwnhFGcKmUp3xZGvbla8vDclra+7SjHF2+j4eVwTgrTpf202VNg==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sQwRbfNyXKDF5w0fMTTj8xldDzel7NZo_+Hu3F0uHkqIa5Ic0J4AcZA==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sVlJTzyw2x0Rr802EYi2MXg3JC19YGgzVYhCJ6v_7k4QBDoXUIbFZCQ==.jpg)
After modifying the heatsink fan connector, remember to set it back to the hole of the heatsink.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 19, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
Step three: Removing the original thermal pad completely, and placing a new silicon thermal pad with 5mm thick on the same place.
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/s+2LoTRNXzvgS5o70qnSV3_wjNot4cqoV3BLVX83gNHSbt+RB53HVdg==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/soGIroz3W6_KOo8yNDQF0g2_rOwHwxOb532zykVD3riov_JY_9cF53g==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sdY5bNvWPKs2Osw8kIvAxvv7MzHWF13OjqCTyzukTDN0pOEQVFaoi8Q==.jpg)

Step four: Setting up the M4 washers
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/s85uAX4oyYmNRLBjLxrqydNwErCBlVYxz_wSMc9o6T2q9iV8BTmdmTg==.jpg)
Stacking the 1mm thick washers together to make 2mm height.

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/stRb3VKRAigXILN4+UaZZ2Sbdngnk203MuuQf8EDVklEIjddt9zVrRQ==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110722/s27FGLvG_zRlEbaO_VttARXIGfLku8YBqp_fQgrnNY06gBfJM1bZGIQ==.jpg)
2mm thick washers to increase the height of the heatsink

Step five: Setting up the processor and messing the thermal grease on the surface (Arctic Silver 5)
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/sE6dp4KfzK+hqlKkU2H8MpVrAHlNHAPwATrJCOUfrSkH5xQFfro63SQ==.jpg)

(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/swaC0zH2tb_cTOBQUV6OPuCmb5F3tha49uDomIdtVwagfkTrkzle+4g==.jpg)

Step six: setting back the heatsink and tightening the screws
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110719/s9kAFN1QP9F6SMR25SIRZ0Ouy3W41NbSj68Qt1Ld2NSMJKeSGjr9Iag==.jpg)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on July 20, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
akismet was thinking it was spam, so I needed to tell it this is not spam, before it appeared here.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 21, 2011, 07:00:54 AM
akismet was thinking it was spam, so I needed to tell it this is not spam, before it appeared here.
oh,so that's it !
Could you help me to delete the repeated post?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrJam_HH on July 21, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
But the X5675s are 1300 Euros a piece in Germany .... or do I miss some cheap supplier? :-)
Any suggestions where to buy?
I desperatly want to upgrade!  ;D
Cheers,
Wolf


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 22, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
Benchmarks' score
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110722/s2fo40NEkPfcd1qIIvwquKvcOS2AsT4Yx2LzIn45tZPieKj10BOoBCA==.jpg)

Compare to the other Mac
(http://photo2.bababian.com/usr769999/upload5/20110722/s6vfThO4hZbewXYkijR5wBpn6E3n0MfOqzT5zm9QESxDIqp+ooklP2A==.jpg)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on July 30, 2011, 06:15:59 AM
I'd love to know if a single Xeon W3690 will work on a Dual-xeon board, namely a 2 x 2.26 8-core. If it doesn't, I may need to trade my Dual-xeon processor board for a single xeon one.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 30, 2011, 10:23:46 AM
I don't understand why you want to change two processors to single one. Just because of the price of the processor or other reason?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on July 30, 2011, 02:47:38 PM
Price mostly. W3690 is only $1200, whereas a Xeon X5690 is about $1500, then do that times 2. W3690 is also faster than a single 5690. I simply have no use for a full 12 cores, but 6 cores would be really nice.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on July 30, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
Price mostly. W3690 is only $1200, whereas a Xeon X5690 is about $1500, then do that times 2. W3690 is also faster than a single 5690. I simply have no use for a full 12 cores, but 6 cores would be really nice.
As my experience, you can't use single processor on a Dual-Processor Mac Pro, you can try to remove one processor off your Mac Pro to see what would happen (now you have a dual-processor Mac Pro,so you can do the experiment)。

Xeon X5690 is the top one, so it's very expensive, but you can choose the processor not so expensive as X5670 or X5675, and  the E serial is also a good choice.
I don't think you change the CPU board is a good option.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mojojojo333 on August 01, 2011, 11:19:08 PM
I just saw this and tried it immediately.

It took about two minutes and worked flawlessly! (Although my dvd drive opened and closed itself which I found amusing!)

Many thanks to the author, who has saved many people money and has extended the life of their machines.

Now to find some hexcore cpus!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kontark69 on August 02, 2011, 03:53:05 PM
Hello everybody,

I tried to upgrade my MacPro early 2009 (2 Xeon X5550 Quad Core) with 2 Xeon W3680 Six Core with same socket.
Patch model MacPro 4.1 to MacPro 5.1 without problem
Installing the 2 Xeon W3680 and i have a kernel panic at reboot.
Retry the installation again and same kernel Panic.

I replaced the old X5550 and all is ok.
Anybody can see where is the problem ?
Sorry for my bad english, it's not my natural language.

Here is the kernel :

Tue Aug  2 15:32:23 2011
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xffffff80002c268d): Kernel trap at 0xffffff7f81bb3650, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x0000000080010033, CR2: 0x0000000000000030, CR3: 0x00000000094ab006, CR4: 0x00000000000206e0
RAX: 0x0000000000000000, RBX: 0xffffff80112efe00, RCX: 0x0000000000000001, RDX: 0x0000000f4f17c40d
RSP: 0xffffff80b7ab3860, RBP: 0xffffff80b7ab3890, RSI: 0x0000002f4f17c40d, RDI: 0xffffff80112efe00
R8:  0x0000000000000009, R9:  0x0000000000000120, R10: 0x0000000000000002, R11: 0x000000000000ffff
R12: 0xffffff80101f7800, R13: 0xffffff8010172800, R14: 0xffffff80111e3400, R15: 0xffffff7f81bbe106
RFL: 0x0000000000010086, RIP: 0xffffff7f81bb3650, CS:  0x0000000000000008, SS:  0x0000000000000010
CR2: 0x0000000000000030, Error code: 0x0000000000000000, Faulting CPU: 0x0

Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff80b7ab3520 : 0xffffff8000220702
0xffffff80b7ab35a0 : 0xffffff80002c268d
0xffffff80b7ab3740 : 0xffffff80002d7a3d
0xffffff80b7ab3760 : 0xffffff7f81bb3650
0xffffff80b7ab3890 : 0xffffff7f81bb753c
0xffffff80b7ab38e0 : 0xffffff7f81bade52
0xffffff80b7ab3940 : 0xffffff7f81bb0328
0xffffff80b7ab3960 : 0xffffff7f80c27d4e
0xffffff80b7ab3980 : 0xffffff7f80c27dc4
0xffffff80b7ab39a0 : 0xffffff7f80c28c33
0xffffff80b7ab39b0 : 0xffffff7f80c2a02c
0xffffff80b7ab3a90 : 0xffffff7f80c2a199
0xffffff80b7ab3ac0 : 0xffffff7f80c0754d
0xffffff80b7ab3b60 : 0xffffff7f80c26450
0xffffff80b7ab3bd0 : 0xffffff7f80c07b52
0xffffff80b7ab3c00 : 0xffffff7f80c0810c
0xffffff80b7ab3c40 : 0xffffff7f80c26e9d
0xffffff80b7ab3cb0 : 0xffffff7f80c270b4
0xffffff80b7ab3ce0 : 0xffffff80005e7cac
0xffffff80b7ab3d40 : 0xffffff80005edbcc
0xffffff80b7ab3db0 : 0xffffff80005f9904
0xffffff80b7ab3e30 : 0xffffff800024d2ca
0xffffff80b7ab3e80 : 0xffffff8000222ff6
0xffffff80b7ab3eb0 : 0xffffff8000214829
0xffffff80b7ab3f10 : 0xffffff800021bb58
0xffffff80b7ab3f70 : 0xffffff80002ae380
0xffffff80b7ab3fb0 : 0xffffff80002d83a3
      Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
         com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement(166.0)[7FCD8D98-D972-3973-A13B-DC551C536EE6]@0xffffff7f81ba0000->0xffffff7f81bc9fff
         com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily(4.7b2)[1E160730-DE3E-3FFE-90CE-EFDC1B3B3E37]@0xffffff7f80c02000->0xffffff7f80c14fff
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily(1.4)[4A5A4624-7A52-3EA0-BB8D-5B265B086727]@0xffffff7f80bfb000
         com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin(4.7b2)[6193843D-D2E4-33A9-BA1B-6E37F37C0F47]@0xffffff7f80c21000->0xffffff7f80c31fff
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily(1.4)[4A5A4624-7A52-3EA0-BB8D-5B265B086727]@0xffffff7f80bfb000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6.5)[95ABB490-3AB5-3D5E-9C21-67089A9AE6A1]@0xffffff7f80862000
            dependency: com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily(4.7.0b2)[1E160730-DE3E-3FFE-90CE-EFDC1B3B3E37]@0xffffff7f80c02000
            dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleSMC(3.1.1d2)[9A6423C3-D936-3D61-BCCC-0E6955920D44]@0xffffff7f80c15000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kextd
Boot args: arch=x86_64

Mac OS version:
11A511

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 11.0.0: Sat Jun 18 12:56:35 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1699.22.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 24CC17EB-30B0-3F6C-907F-1A9B2057AF78
System model name: MacPro5,1 (Mac-F221BEC8)

System uptime in nanoseconds: 4429941115
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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on August 02, 2011, 07:01:23 PM
Are you sure the W3680 can be used on the dual-processor Mac Pro? I remember W3680 only can be used on the single processor Mac Pro, and Xeon X-serial processors(X5650~X5690) on the dual-processor Mac Pro, I hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on August 02, 2011, 07:08:38 PM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on August 02, 2011, 07:17:48 PM
Hello everybody,

I tried to upgrade my MacPro early 2009 (2 Xeon X5550 Quad Core) with 2 Xeon W3680 Six Core with same socket.
Your Mac Pro is dual-processor model(Early 2009 Mac Pro, dual-processor, 2.66GHz, right?) so I think maybe W3680 is not a proper processor for your machine.


Quote
from: MacEFIRom on May 12, 2011, 04:30:25 AM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kontark69 on August 03, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
Thank you very much for your prompt and accurate responses.
I'm stupid, I bought the W3680 for a MacPro single processor.
So I will sell it the W3680 and buy 2 Intel X5690
Thanks again you for the informations


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kontark69 on August 03, 2011, 08:04:29 AM
Another question,lease :
Because X5690 are expensive, is it possible to keep my 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM in a first time and change for 1333 MHz later when I'll have more money ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on August 04, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
The 6-core processors are capable of using the 1333 Mhz memory, but don't require it, so the 1066 Mhz memory will work fine with the X5690 CPUs.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on August 04, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Another question,lease :
Because X5690 are expensive, is it possible to keep my 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM in a first time and change for 1333 MHz later when I'll have more money ?

The 6-core processors are capable of using the 1333 Mhz memory, but don't require it, so the 1066 Mhz memory will work fine with the X5690 CPUs.
Yeah, MacEFIRom is right.

Because I'm not sure what would happen if you use the 1066Mhz memory on a Mac Pro with 6-core processor, I can't reply your question before.
I have the 1066RAMs on hand because I had upgraded the RAM of my Mac Pro by using the 1333RAM to take the place of the 1066 RAM a few months ago, So, today I try to replace the 1333 RAM with 1066RAM, and everything is ok.
 So now you can use the 1066 RAM for your six-core processor Mac Pro till you can afford the 1333 RAM in the future.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: puier on August 04, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
The 6-core processors are capable of using the 1333 Mhz memory, but don't require it, so the 1066 Mhz memory will work fine with the X5690 CPUs.
Hi, MacEFIRom, long time no see you here. I want to say thank you because of your work!!!

Because of your tool, we can upgrade our 2009 Mac Pro to 2010 Mac Pro, I really appreciate!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bartont on August 05, 2011, 05:43:20 AM
Just wanted to echo thanks to MacEFIRom. Nice work!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kontark69 on August 05, 2011, 08:15:20 AM
Many thanks
I really appreciate too
I'm going to buy the 2 X5690, memory can wait for a few days


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BastyJuice on August 05, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
is it possible to Flash a 1.1 MacPro with the 2.1 EFI ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fhenry on August 05, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
is it possible to Flash a 1.1 MacPro with the 2.1 EFI ?
nice question!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on August 05, 2011, 08:51:35 PM
Yes, it is possible, and I've even done it already, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that this firmware upgrade enables any more CPU models. If someone can show me that there is an actual value to this upgrade, I will consider writing a utility to do it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BastyJuice on August 05, 2011, 11:02:28 PM
I had been told that the MacPro 2,1 firmware includes the Intel Xeon microcode for the X5365 CPUs, and that microcode is not included in the MacPro 1,1 firmware, along with different fan settings. I do not know if this is true, or even if it is, if it matters as clearly the quad-core CPUs work fine in the MacPro 1,1.

Dual X5365s seem to work with 1,1 EFI and SMC firmware in general, so I imagine X5355s would be the same.

In "About This Mac" the CPU is listed as Unknown, similar to the issues with so-called "Hackintosh" PCs.

Intel does issue CPU fixes in the form of microcode, which is presumably in the 2,1 EFI firmware for the X5365 since that was the Apple-supplied CPU in those models. There are also supposed to be different thermal/fan settings in the 2,1 SMC firmware. Those two items are the only differences I would expect.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BastyJuice on August 09, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
Yes, it is possible, and I've even done it already, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that this firmware upgrade enables any more CPU models. If someone can show me that there is an actual value to this upgrade, I will consider writing a utility to do it.

And ist it enouth to Relase an Untility do Flash the MAC PRO 2.1 EFI ?

best regards


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nekton1 on August 19, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
I'd worship someone (as a god) who could get an EFI32 2,1 upgrade to EFI64 3,1 working with no problems!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Librarian580 on August 20, 2011, 03:48:28 AM
Anyone have a working MP 2009 (4,1) Single CPU board with a Heatsink and Fan that they might be willing to sell or trade for something? I don't need the RAM nor the CPU itself.

I think i'm going to go for a W3690, if an Engineering Sample will work for that.

But on other note, does the 5,1 Firmware have support for any beyond the W3690? Or is the W3690 looking to be the last of that generations compatibility?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacEFIRom on August 23, 2011, 03:13:37 AM
I have released a version for the 2006-2007 Mac Pro, it's posted in a new thread.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: marting. on August 24, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
Hello MacEFIRon,

first of all thanks for your action!

I would be very happy if you could help me with an similar case:

I have an iMac 4.1 20" (Early 2006), which is quite similar to the iMac 5.1 20" (Late 2006). I've already upgraded the CPU from CoreDuo to Core2Duo und now want to flash the Firmware of the 5.1 to that machine. The resaon is that the 4.1 only accepts 2 GB RAM, the 5.1 4 GB (even though only 3 GB can be used). Both machines have the same memory controller, graphics card,...

Do I understand the procedere right?:
-When booting the machine, the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' is loaded (if stored in '/System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates') and will search for a bootrom file, which is corresponding to the machine.
-There is a Set of possible Firmware-Files (with corresponding checksums) referenced inside the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' file.
-When i copy the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' to '/System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates', I need an corresponding firmware (bootrom) file to be flashed into the EFI.
That file should be the 'LOCKED_IM51_0090_09B.fd' (iMac 5.1).
I assume, that file will not be accepted because it is corresponding to the iMac 5.1 and not the 4.1, which I have.

-->Which actions do i have to take to force the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' to accept the 'LOCKED_IM51_0090_09B.fd' (4.1) for flashing into my iMac 4.1?
Where exactly is the checksum stored and how can i change it? I think I have to edit the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' to reference to a bootrom file which the 'EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' thinks belongs to the machine (4.1) but in reality is a renamend file for the 5.1.
Right?

It would be very nice if you could help me a bit with that issue!

Thank you! :-)

Martin

P.s.: sorry for my german-influenced english! ;-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on August 26, 2011, 09:28:25 AM
About 3 months after upgrading a 2009 Mac Pro 2.93 GHz quad-core to 2010 firmware and a 3.46 GHz hexa-core, the machine does not boot any more (no more startup chime, but fans/disks etc. start spinning).

I found out yesterday evening when coming back home. I put the Mac to sleep in the morning (which I usually don't do, because some PCIe card(s) in the past sometimes prevented proper deep sleep), and in the evening it wouldn't wake up, nor accept any SSH connection or even ping. After a force shutdown I couldn't get it to boot again.

Because of the similiar "no startup chime" problems I had intially (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5443.html#msg5443) I tried removing and re-seating the CPU board before booting again. I repeated the process several times to no avail.

I do have access to other Mac Pro 2009 and 2010 at work and will try with another CPU board. From what I understand from the very first post only 2010 CPU-boards will work for me at the moment, because my main board is already flashed to 2010 firmware, so the CPU-board must be as well for it to work.
(This is a shame, because new 2010 CPU boards cost about twice as much as 2009 CPU boards - and I can't imagine a way to flash a 2009 to a 2010 board in another Mac Pro without rendering the other Mac Pro unable to boot, because of the need for matching firmware versions)

I might also try putting the old CPU back in.

Anyway, if anyone has any bright ideas please let me know. :)

Evening update:
OK, so I brought my CPU tray to work to try it out in other Mac Pros. It didn't boot in a Mac Pro 2010, nor in a Mac Pro 2009 (upgraded with 2010 firmware) - neither of them even did the startup chime.

I also found out that while you can run a 2010 CPU tray in a 2009 Mac Pro (upgraded with 2010 firmware) and vice versa, the fans go at full speed all the time (OK well I shut down a minute after they were fully booted), so that's not a real option long term.

Lastly, my Mac Pro runs fine with a CPU tray I borrowed from a Mac Pro 2009 at work (which I upgraded to 2010 firmware).

In conclusion I think that I somehow messed up something on my CPU tray, and that it might not have been an issue of "proper seating" of the CPU tray. I certainly will try to swap the original CPU back on.

I also had the opportunity to win an auction for a second-hand 2.66 GHz Mac Pro 2009 for a reasonable price. I will go get it on Sunday and hope I'll eventually end up with two working Mac Pros (ideally a 6x3.47 GHz one and a 4x2.93 GHz one) so I can sell one of them again. :)

Also I wonder more than ever if there is any possibility to flash a 2009 CPU tray to 2010 firmware in a Mac Pro that already has the 2010 firmware. Maybe by setting it up, and switching the CPU trays before booting and holding the power key pressed or something like that. With a second 2009 Mac Pro at least there's the possibility of getting there with "only" one (possibly faulty) CPU tray wasted... (better than wasting a 6-core 3.47 GHz Xeon :P)

P.S: Forgot to mention that the Mac Pro Firmware Utility does not work without internet connection, and it does not support proxies (neither those set in the GUI nor CLI) - so I ended up connecting my iPhone to the Mac Pro 2009 at work via USB to connect to the internet.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shakuh on August 28, 2011, 06:09:40 PM
Hi Boli and everyone,
after waitng a while to know if EFI upgrade would work with Lion, I finally plunged and upgraded a 2009 Mac pro, with a 3680 hexacore, I bought from the other forum member who bought two of them by mistake. Find out he was only 150 km away of my holyday spot, and we met (small planet). It took me twice to make the EFI upgrade, and I thing little snitch cused a problem, probably better to disabled it. When the hexacore was installed, I found the video was a bit jerky. I found out that probably the video is slower than the proc, so it seems to get a mini delay of following the CPU instruction, so probably will upgrade later with a flashed 5770.
BTW, the W3680 just recently got quite cheaper, officially @ 585 $, so 3670 was no more attractive.
But I had a indirect problem as a result of changing processor. Everything went fine, so far, exept a black screen using a MPD > DVI adapter from the GT 120, but I realised that a hacked software came back to trial version, as it appears to be now on a seemingly new machine. So until I could get a more official situation (got a new version to be able to work on a file made on the latest version, not compatible with the older soft version :( I will need to reinstall quite a bit or reformat the SSD and reinstal everything).
So, many thanks to all the pioneers who helped making this possible. My 2.66 quad is allmost twice faster in some case according to Geekbench, and quite snappy at all time. :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: robthebrew on August 29, 2011, 06:34:46 PM
Hi MacEFIRom,
Thanks for the great work.
A little question though: am I stuck here with my 3.1 MP? Apparently the 5.1 ROM supports audio through DVI and HDMI, not so my system.
Thanks for any insights,
rtb.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bko on August 30, 2011, 07:27:55 AM
I also found out that while you can run a 2010 CPU tray in a 2009 Mac Pro (upgraded with 2010 firmware) and vice versa, the fans go at full speed all the time (OK well I shut down a minute after they were fully booted), so that's not a real option long term.

I'm planning to use a 2010 Tray in a 2009 Mac Pro too ...
... any chance to get that fan issue tracked down ?

Thanks Bernd


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on August 30, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
It turns out my original CPU tray does not work at all, neither with the original quad-core nor with the new hexa-core, so I'm ordering a Mac Pro 2009 processor board, hoping this will solve the problem.

I'm planning to use a 2010 Tray in a 2009 Mac Pro too ...
... any chance to get that fan issue tracked down ?

Dunno if there is anything that can be done. The two processor boards do have different part numbers, and do look different. And the 2010 CPU tray costs about twice as much as the 2009 CPU tray.

Update:
I was able to downgrade both Mac Pros (which had 2010 Firmare on them) to 2009 Firmware with only a single processor board. After downgrading the first Mac Pro I put its processor board into the other Mac Pro, and - surprisingly - it did boot! I was able to downgrade the second Mac Pro no problem. So now I have to Mac Pros with 2009 Firmware on their main board, as well as one 2009 processor board, as well as a second likely defective processor board with 2010 Firmware on it. So I'm ready for the replacement 2009 processor board.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on September 01, 2011, 11:39:32 AM
please inform us further


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on September 02, 2011, 09:03:50 AM
The replacement Mac Pro 2009 processor board arrived today. I popped in the original 2.93 GHz Xeon and lo and behold: the Mac Pro does the startup chime upon boot. I shut down again immediately as I had not yet mounted the cooler.

This weekend I'll upgrade my original Mac Pro to the hexa-core 3.46 GHz Xeon again, as well as the second-hand Mac Pro I bought to the quad-core 2.93 GHz Xeon - this way it should sell a bit better.

Update:
I installed the original Xeon 2.93 in the replacement processor board, updated to 2010 firmware, replaced the Xeon 2.93 with the Xeon 3.46, it all works.
Replacing the Xeon 2.67 in the other Mac Pro with the Xeon 2.93 also worked well (without firmware update).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FFder1. on September 06, 2011, 03:40:11 AM
Hey!
I´ve successfully upgraded my 8x2,26 2009MP to 6x2,93 (1x X5670).
But now the intake and exhaust fans are always running in maximum mode.
What have i done wrong?
Is it a general problem, when running a DualBoard with only one CPU(http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1178329 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1178329)), or aren't the CPU/Heatsinks correctly installed (i haven´t change the connectors, because it also seems fitting so)?
thanks
ffder1.

Update:
After using Apple Service Diagnostic Tool (indeed the Version 3S132 for Mac Pro Early 2009 still works after the firmware hack), i discovered the problem more closely: Always, when only one CPU is installed (2.26 Quad or 2.93 Hex doesn´t care), the Boost Fan of the HeatsinkB reports to slow speeds (if the Heatsink B is installed or not, even doesn´t  care) and consequently the Intake and Exhaust fans running in maximum mode.
I have absolutely no idea, how to solve this without buying a second hex core?(in fact it has not to be even the same one, e.g. a X5660 would also work (source (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272899-10-different-processors-dual-socket-motherboard)).
Maybe someone of you know a way, how to deactivate this stupid protection feature. In a computer of this price i thought it would be self-evident, that the one-CPU mode is possible.




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 08, 2011, 08:45:16 AM
@Boli

Do you think your trouble has anything to do with the firmware update  ?

1 out of 20 boots I have also occasionally issues with no startup chime but after holding power button to power off ,the computer boots fine the next try.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on September 12, 2011, 08:47:48 AM
@Boli
Do you think your trouble has anything to do with the firmware update?

No, I think it's because I damaged the processor board when I first switched CPUs a couple months ago [1]. Maybe I was lucky it worked as long as it did. With the new board all is well.

But we'll see what happens in a couple of months. Another theory could be that the 2009 isn't "good enough" for a six core in the long run - maybe there's a reason the 2010 board costs twice as much. But I'd like to think it's my fault rather than this theory.

[1] Because my allen key had a ball head it wouldn't work properly, so I got desperate. :-/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UneeK on September 13, 2011, 07:26:59 PM
Hi!

I registered here so I can say thanks to everyone who helped in making this FW update tool possible and to report my experience with it!

Mac Pro Nehalem 2,66, 6 GB RAM, 4,1 upped to 5,1 without issues.

One more cool thing came along with this update. My friend's flashed XFX ATI 5870 now has sound trough HDMI ! ! !

Now I can order Sapphire vapor-x 5870 for myself :)

Once again, a big thanks !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Superfliege on September 13, 2011, 10:22:36 PM
@boli: I guess its the TDP. The board is designed for a maximum TDP of 95. Anything higher than X5675 has a TDP of 130 W. I originally upgraded my 4,1 from E5520s to X5570s and cooked the cpu board too, as someone sold me (falsely labelled) engineering samples (which unf. had a TDP of >130W ). Depending on use case it may work for a while, but over time and with the right graphics card, you will cook parts of your chipset and/or the psu.

I highly recommend not using:

Engineering Samples (generally, most might not even run due to microcode problems).
CPUs with a TDP >95 in a MP setup (According to Anandtech, the single CPU board supports up to a TDP of 130).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 14, 2011, 07:05:12 AM
@boli: I guess its the TDP. The board is designed for a maximum TDP of 95. Anything higher than X5675 has a TDP of 130 W. I originally upgraded my 4,1 from E5520s to X5570s and cooked the cpu board too, as someone sold me (falsely labelled) engineering samples (which unf. had a TDP of >130W ). Depending on use case it may work for a while, but over time and with the right graphics card, you will cook parts of your chipset and/or the psu.

I highly recommend not using:

Engineering Samples (generally, most might not even run due to microcode problems).
CPUs with a TDP >95 in a MP setup (According to Anandtech, the single CPU board supports up to a TDP of 130).


I´m not sure I follow you here, Boli has a single CPU board (?) the same as I have and I replaced a W3580 (130W) quad with a W3690 (130W) hexa. Apple still sells refurbished mac Pro 2009 with 3.33Ghz quads ( 130W )
http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0G81LL/A


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: boli on September 14, 2011, 08:36:31 AM
Yes, I have a single CPU board and replaced a W3540 (http://ark.intel.com/products/39719) (4 * 2.93 GHz) with a W3690 (http://ark.intel.com/products/52586) (6 * 3.46 GHz), both with 130W TDP.

The CPU does stay pretty cool usually, as does the MP as a whole (even though it's loaded with 4 HDDs, 3 SSDs, a Blueray burner, a Radeon 5870 and 2 other PCIe cards for internal and external SATA).


Title: 100 X Thank you's, and how to reuse 'old' E5520's w/o IHS in 'normal' system?
Post by: 10k300 on September 23, 2011, 04:25:18 PM
Hello

I just want to add quickly without occupying too much space on this thread, a big thank you to all involved in both the Firmware upgrade, the hack to make it work on 2009, and the guys who led the way in CPU upgrades for these machines.  If it wasn't for the people that did this first, breaking things along the way and getting all the "Red lights" along that path, I wouldn't have been able to do the complete job within 15 minutes including my coffee break in between.

I upgraded my 2009 E5520 2.26 MP system to 2010 E5620's (2.4) as a proof of concept, as I had the 5620's sitting around doing nothing from a Dell server.  Now that I know it works, when I can get a pair of cheap X5650's I'll upgrade again to 2xHC.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.  If there is any possibility to donate to keep the site running and perhaps buy a round of beers for those who made this happen, please let me know via PM.

You guys rock.

Regards
VL

ps - I would like to use the 2 x E5520's in a Dell server, and they don't have the IHS...  I do have a pair of worthless E5502's (yep, dual core) that I can destroy to remove the IHS without too many sad feelings, but is there another way?  Could I run the E5520's in say a PowerEdge R710 without the IHS, and just put like - a copper plate in between? TBH I would be afraid to do it (put a copper plate between h/s and cpu) as I think it may crack the core and that would be a total shame.

Any ideas on how to re-use the non-IHS E5520's in a  non-MacPro system?



Title: Re: 100 X Thank you's, and how to reuse 'old' E5520's w/o IHS in 'normal' system?
Post by: NickLambert on September 25, 2011, 08:49:52 PM
I just want to add quickly without occupying too much space on this thread, a big thank you to all involved in both the Firmware upgrade, the hack to make it work on 2009, and the guys who led the way in CPU upgrades for these machines.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.  If there is any possibility to donate to keep the site running and perhaps buy a round of beers for those who made this happen, please let me know via PM.

You guys rock.

Ditto!, I've upgraded my 2009 E5520 2.26 MP system with the firmware all ok. I'm thinking of getting 2 Intel Xeon X5650 2.66 GHz Six Core Processors: http://tinyurl.com/6e2drub & reading the post's here I'm going to stick with my current Crucial 1066 memory. Once I've bitten the
bullet I'll report back.

Thanks,
Nick


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 26, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
Anyone updated a firmware updated Mac Pro to Lion yet ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kgapp on September 26, 2011, 05:59:30 PM
Anyone updated a firmware updated Mac Pro to Lion yet ?

If you go back a few pages in the thread you will see confirmations from people who are running Lion with the firmware upgrade.  They report everything works fine.  About this Mac reports the machine as an Early 2009 (which it is) but the upgraded processors work properly and the RAM stays at 1333.  It is suspected that About this Mac is reporting based on the computers serial number and not the installed firmware.  System profiler continues to report 5,1 in Lion.

I myself am running the upgraded firmware in Lion but I have not yet done the CPU upgrade.  For me everything works normally in Lion.  I was hoping the firmware upgrade would correct the HDCP error I receive when trying to play iTunes purchased video content on my ATI 5770 in a 2009 Mac Pro.  Unfortunately, it does not.  I am not sure what is fundamentally different between my 2009 with 5,1 firmware and 2010 with 5,1 firmware that causes the ATI 5770 to report this HDCP error.  Obviously there is still some type of hardware difference (possibly SMC version) that causes my particular issue.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on September 29, 2011, 02:25:44 PM
Hi,
I upgraded my Mac Pro Quad 2009 with the 2010 EFI.
I have a problem now, my 2009 cpu board is broken and I need to buy a replacement, I saw that both EFI on the CPU board and BackPlane need to be matching. Is it possible to force a flashing of the 2009 CPU board replacement if the backplane board has a 2010 EFI on it?
Also would it be possible to use a 6 Cores Xeon X5670 (2.93Ghz 6.4GT/s QPI) with 2 QPI link on a Quad core CPU board?
I'm asking because I got one for 300$ from someone who didn't knew exactly what he was selling.
Thanks!


Title: Need some advice on fan behavior
Post by: kgapp on September 29, 2011, 06:31:02 PM
I need some advice on the behavior of my 2009 Mac Pro fans with the processor (and firmware) upgrade.  I updated to the 2010 firmware a few days ago and last night I installed a W3680 hexacore processor.  The install went very smooth; almost too easy.

Idle temps look good (93 F, 36 C).  The problem is when I put the machine under full load the temps go up quickly and the fans do not seem to be ramping up at all to compensate.  Under full load the processor temp would go up to 160 F, 71 C before I would stop the load to let it cool off.  Strangely, my fans do not seem to be ramping up to compensate for the high temps (or at least not fast enough to cool down before I reach dangerous temp levels).  My understanding is that 157 F is the max temp for a W3680 so I really didn't want to push it beyond there and find out what might happen.

If I manually ramp up the fan speed with fan control software (SMC or iStat) the processor stays cool under load.  I would prefer that the system adjust the fan speed accordingly so as to maximize the life of the fans as well as minimize any unnecessary noise.

Tried resetting SMC but I seem to still have the same issue.  The system does not seem to increase fan speed under load.  I do know that prior to the upgrades this was functioning correctly.

Any ideas why?  Do you think it is related to the unsupported firmware hack/processor upgrade?  Anyone else here with a similar upgrade put their machine under full load?  Do your fans ramp up accordingly?  How high do you let temp go?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 29, 2011, 07:06:17 PM
71 C is not very hot at all, should be close to 100C before you should be worried.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kgapp on September 29, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
71 C is not very hot at all, should be close to 100C before you should be worried.

Are you sure about that?  The specs (from a couple of different databases) for the W3680 list a max temp of 68 C. 
http://cpu-data.info/index.php?grp=AT80613003543AF&gr=-1 (http://cpu-data.info/index.php?grp=AT80613003543AF&gr=-1)

The MacRumors thread about this upgrade has people indicating that 154F is max safe temp for W3670. 
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551&highlight=phillipma1957&page=2 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551&highlight=phillipma1957&page=2)

Is it really safe to be seeing temps upward of 100C?

Anyone else running one of these processors at high temps for any extended period of time?  At what temp does your Mac Pro start ramping up fans to compensate?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 29, 2011, 07:58:37 PM
No, I´m not sure. I will be back ,  I have some CPU temp screenshots when my W3690 was working hard...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on September 30, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
Im having some issue since I'm using Areca Raid Controller and not using the internal SATA to connect to my Hard Drive each time i try to upgrade the EFI by pressing the power button until the LED flash. I just boot back into Lion and nothing happen. Have any one manage to upgrade to 2010 with 3rd party raid controller?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on September 30, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
@kgapp I took a sceenshot when I was maxing out my Hexa with the Logic Pro multicore benchmarktest.
That was more scary than I thought obiously..Most of the cores were around 84C...
I´ve been doing some overclocking through the years ( on PC ) and back then we were not afraid to have temp peaks near 100C...
Maybe we were totally out of our minds...Never blew a CPU though...

But after some reading, it is NOT good to have temps over 70C for longer periods. Peaks a couple of minutes are ok, but not hours.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: electonic on September 30, 2011, 03:43:20 PM
71 C is not very hot at all, should be close to 100C before you should be worried.

Are you sure about that?  The specs (from a couple of different databases) for the W3680 list a max temp of 68 C. 
http://cpu-data.info/index.php?grp=AT80613003543AF&gr=-1 (http://cpu-data.info/index.php?grp=AT80613003543AF&gr=-1)

The MacRumors thread about this upgrade has people indicating that 154F is max safe temp for W3670. 
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551&highlight=phillipma1957&page=2 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551&highlight=phillipma1957&page=2)

Is it really safe to be seeing temps upward of 100C?

Anyone else running one of these processors at high temps for any extended period of time?  At what temp does your Mac Pro start ramping up fans to compensate?

Yes. I have the exact same behavior.
The temperature given is — as far as I know, but feel free to correct — the max. average (!) temperature for the processor to last for the advertised amount of years. Technically for silicium, etc, it's no problem at all to operate around 100° Celcius. All it will do is degrade life span.

So if you have it running at around 85°C all day, it won't make those 30 years average life span (just a guess).
Since yours and mine are running at about 40°C on average and only sometimes a little hotter, the 30 years won't be a problem ... ;)

My advise: deinstall those stupid temperature tools. Your Computer won't self destruct. Especially not a Mac Pro ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kgapp on September 30, 2011, 05:23:02 PM
@kgapp I took a sceenshot when I was maxing out my Hexa with the Logic Pro multicore benchmarktest.
That was more scary than I thought obiously..Most of the cores were around 84C...
I´ve been doing some overclocking through the years ( on PC ) and back then we were not afraid to have temp peaks near 100C...
Maybe we were totally out of our minds...Never blew a CPU though...

But after some reading, it is NOT good to have temps over 70C for longer periods. Peaks a couple of minutes are ok, but not hours.

Last night I let it work under a full load for a bit longer and found that the fans did finally start ramping on their own once the processor went over about 80 C. The booster fan ramped up to about 4000rpm and brought the processor down to the low 60s C under a full load.

For some reason I was under the impression this threshold for increased fan speed was lower when I was running the quad 2.66. Apparently, I was wrong.

It seems to be working great. I may consider running some higher minimum fan speeds to keep the heat down but for now I am going to assume that it is safe to temporarily go above the 68 C rating that Intel is publishing.

Thanks for the advice.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: donchaos on October 01, 2011, 12:47:05 AM
First of all thanks a lot for this great tool and the excellent guides.
I wanted to share my experience so maybe it will help someone.

I successfully upgraded a single CPU Quad Xeon 2009 Mac Pro with a new dual CPU processor board and 2 Intel Xeon 6x 2.66Mhz X5650.
However instead of using 2 M4 washers with 1mm thickness I used 2 M4 washers with 0.8mm and one with 1mm.

After the upgrade the memory was still running at 1066 Mhz (instead of 1333 Mhz) and also a reboot did not help.
In order to fix this you have to press Command + Option + P + R simultanously at reboot and keep them pressed for approx. 3 reboots.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: forwards on October 01, 2011, 02:30:12 AM
Another very happy upgrade user.

Boot ROM from MP11.005C.B08 > MP21.007F.B06 running with X5355 CPUs.


Title: Re: 100 X Thank you's and works 100%
Post by: NickLambert on October 01, 2011, 04:26:50 PM
I'm thinking of getting 2 Intel Xeon X5650 2.66 GHz Six Core Processors: http://tinyurl.com/6e2drub & reading the post's here I'm going to stick with my current Crucial 1066 memory. Once I've bitten the bullet I'll report back.

Ok, got the cpu's & following all the info I could find I now have a 12 core 2010 MacPro :)

I'll post some pic's on FB or Twitter. Thanks for the firmware hack, with a little care
you have allowed me to upgrade to a current MacPro for the price of the cpu's.

Nick


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on October 04, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
2. When applying the hack will the GTX 285 still be supported under "5,1" ?

I have the GTX 285 & it works fine with 5,1

Nick


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FFder1. on October 07, 2011, 07:58:27 PM
Hey!
I´ve killed my daughter board by installing a new CPU, so that I now have to buy a new one. Are there any benefits, if I buy 2010 daughter board for my 2009 MP?
thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on October 08, 2011, 03:26:50 PM
I think you will benefit from having the socket clamps for the CPU, but you will have to order new heatsinks for this cpu board.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on October 09, 2011, 08:51:21 AM
New memory arrived & installed. I know I said I wasn't going too, but hey  ::)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shakuh on October 11, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
Hi there,
really enjoyed this transition from MP 2009 to newer 5.1 EFI, and new CPU W3680 hexacore.
But here is a problem and I guess it comes from the update :
Don't have the Apple original Mac pro 5.1 install DVD (nor the 2009 version, I bought it second hand with the wrong DVD, 2008), I tried to start the MP from a Snow Leopard family pack DVD to see my chances to get rescued in case of system failure. The Mac got stuck on the grey screen and logo.
My set-up, I added a LG BlueRay burner, in place of the original DVD burner that I placed in second bay. No problem so far, can burn 2 DVD at the same time, great! So I placed the install SLeopard in the DVD burner, and same fate. It stops at Apple logo.
So, anyone has a clue? Is my only rescue is to get Sleopard installed on external drive? And would Lion be better for that matter (it solves the dvd bit), but should be no different of having SL on the USB key or external drive.
By the way, don't know how to get an original 5.1 2010 Mac pro install DVD, cannot ask to Apple since my MP is 2009. Try to check in the French community to find out if there is one compassionate user ; )
Thank you.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on October 18, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
I've got the Lion DVD to start my MP with it in the lower (LG Blu-Ray burner) slot.
I followed these instructions after download, but before installing:

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2011/07/20/it-is-possible-to-create-a-startup-disk-for-lion

Now to find out if I can get the retail Snow Leopard to work...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: LAGRUNAUER on November 13, 2011, 03:03:56 AM
If I have a Mac Pro 2010 (5,1) 2.4GHz DP with 2010 firmware, and downgrade the ROM to 2009 (4,1) firmware, would I be able to run 10.5.8? If not, what can I do and/or modify in order for the downgraded system to run 10.5.8?

Thanks so much in advance...

LAG


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: LAGRUNAUER on November 15, 2011, 05:10:22 AM
Tried downgrading a Mac Pro DP 2.4 2010 to 2009, and when the firmware was just about to complete loading. the machine shut down and it never came back again. Now it won't boot up at all. How can I reload the 2010 firmware back so the machine can run? Any help would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Luis G.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 98ilest on November 15, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Hi, I have read through many forums and not found an answer to this. I have a2009 mac pro in which I recently fitted a new processor board and processor. I fitted a W3580 and have a brand new nvidia 120 geoforce card fitted. However, when I turn the computer on it will not boot. All fans turn on, diag LEDs are all in order and the small red led on the processor board flashes once. However, nothing else happens. No video and the caps lock led on the keyboard does not illuminate when pressed. I bought the processor board second hand on eBay and it was pulled from a working machine. I think the problem is a difference in smc, efi or bootrom between the processor board and backplane board. As I do not really want to fork out about £250 fr a new processor board does anyone know if it's possible to update the smc and efi without booting? I am using ram that has been recommended for the 2009 mac pro and it was bought from apple. I have tried the efi restoration cd but still nothing shows up on the monitor.

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: vapor matt on November 15, 2011, 07:57:43 PM
Tried downgrading a Mac Pro DP 2.4 2010 to 2009, and when the firmware was just about to complete loading. the machine shut down and it never came back again. Now it won't boot up at all. How can I reload the 2010 firmware back so the machine can run? Any help would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Luis G.



Well i think you need to read this whole thread before you start doing anything with this firmware update tool, the whole idea is to upgrade a 2009 mac pro 4.1 to 2010 5.1 so you can use newer CPU's including hexacore CPU's. if you go back and read the whole thread you will see you cant take a 2010 5.1 back to 2009 4.1 as your CPU isn't seen with the 4.1 firmware so it won't boot. read the thread as someone else also did this and managed to get it back to 5.1 by swapping out CPU to a mac 4.1 cpu then reflashing back to 5.1 and re installing there original CPU. best read the whole thread ::)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: RedImp on November 16, 2011, 04:51:46 PM
I just bought 2009 8core mac pro, and after some time i plan to upgrade the CPU's, but right now i need just a RAM upgrade. I plan to buy 12 GB (6x2), so here's the deal: i want to buy 1333 MHz ram, so when i upgrade the CPU's i will be able to run full speed, but i'm worried if this RAM will function normally on 4.1 firmware. So my question basically is if 1333 MHz RAM wil function on my 4.1 firmware (as far as i understand it's frequency should be somehow cut off to 1066) without any slow-downs, shut-offs and other troubles, until i upgrade my mac to 5.1.
Thx, Max


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dia3olik on November 17, 2011, 12:21:37 AM
So my question basically is if 1333 MHz RAM wil function on my 4.1 firmware

yes, it depends on the SPD, but basically all the 1333 ecc ddr3 modules usually have also timings for the 1066 setting.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on December 02, 2011, 04:40:10 AM
I just bought 2009 8core mac pro, and after some time i plan to upgrade the CPU's, but right now i need just a RAM upgrade. I plan to buy 12 GB (6x2), so here's the deal: i want to buy 1333 MHz ram, so when i upgrade the CPU's i will be able to run full speed, but i'm worried if this RAM will function normally on 4.1 firmware. So my question basically is if 1333 MHz RAM wil function on my 4.1 firmware (as far as i understand it's frequency should be somehow cut off to 1066) without any slow-downs, shut-offs and other troubles, until i upgrade my mac to 5.1.
Thx, Max
I have 32GB of 1333GHz RAM from OWC in my 4,1 (W3580, 3.33GHz quad) right now, and it runs at 1066GHz. I've not yet changed the firmware to 5,1 so to answer the question, it works perfectly fine in a 4,1.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on December 02, 2011, 08:59:13 AM
I'm happy to add my name to the list of successful upgrades from 4,1 to 5,1. I put my balls up on the table with this one, because it's my workstation that I use to run my video production business. If it failed, I'd be losing a lot of money until I fixed it!

So basic info:
- started life as 2009 3.33GHz quad from Apple with Mac RAID Card (stupid move) and three 1TB drives
- added 16GB RAM (4GBx4) from OWC before I ever started it the first time, December 2009 which never gave any problems
- added LG BD-R burner
- added 5870 and GTX285 cards (one at a time, and settled on using 5870 full time)
- added Areca 1880ix-12 RAID card with 8-bay Sans Digital tower with 8x WD 2TB RE4 drives in RAID3
- just swapped (this morning) 32GB RAM from OWC, 8GBx4 1333MHz, which ran at 1066MHz until...
- just used the app to change to 5,1

Status report:
- Everything seems faster, perfect!
- About this Mac now shows new RAM at 1333MHz
- Fan control still controls fan speed as it always has, and seems to ramp up and down faster than it did, in fact
- Areca RAID card and volume still works perfectly
- 3x1TB RAID0 volume of original three internal Apple disks still works perfectly
- Tested Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects CS5, and I'm surprised to find that the feature film I'm editing runs on the timeline much smoother. This is amazing to me! It's 5DMkII, 7D and D7000 footage mixed with other 1920x1080 footage, and even though there is a bunch of un-rendered footage on the timeline marked by red bars, it plays right through it smoothly. It didn't do this last night. Maybe it has to do with bumping RAM from 16GB to 32GB, but all I can say is I'm totally happy.

When I restarted the first time (holding power button until it blinked a few times and then went steady, but released before long beep) it opened both optical drives (original Superdrive and the LG BD-R drive) one at at time. I laughed, since I knew most of you had one drive open, and didn't expect the second to open after the first. It booted to the grey Apple with progress bar, then restarted itself. As soon as I noticed it was restarting, I held CMD-ALT-P-R until second restart to do the PRAM straight away. This proved to be successful, as the two drives shut themselves and it finally booted up completely for the first time since the operation. When I checked About this Mac, the RAM was already at 1333MHz, when just moments before it said 1066MHz. I'm glad I paid the extra $5 for the 1333MHz, which was also $5 off for using Amazon Payments... total cost was $445! Why buy the 1066MHz for $440? Hahaha, anyway, I shut down and unplugged the power cord for 60 seconds, plugged it back in for another 30 seconds before restarting a final time, just to do SMC. I then checked all programs and all is perfect and/or better than before!

I still feel pretty happy with the W3580, but I found the W3680 at Provantage for $560 or so... and that's tempting. Seems the W3590 is still just over $1000, which seems not worth double the price for only 3.46 (3.73 turbo) instead of 3.33 (3.6 turbo).
 
Just wanted to let anyone reading this (and fearing what might happen) know that I had a great experience. Thank you for making this awesome tool!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on December 02, 2011, 09:28:29 AM
Geekbench went up about 300-400 1200 points... cool.
I ran in 32-bit mode back in February (4,1 firmware and 1066 RAM) and got 10432, and this time I got 11627 in 64-bit mode. Seems significant!

(http://marcusumstead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Geekbench.png)

Here are the results after adding the W3680 CPU:

(http://marcusumstead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Geekbench-64-Hex.png)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nicephore17 on December 02, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
Hi, will it be possible to update a MacPro 3.2 (early 2008) to MacPro 4.1 in order to use cheaper 240 pins PC3 DDR3 ECC instead of 240 pins PC2-6400 ECC FB-DIMM ?

Edit : no because of harware differcences between DDR2 and DDR3 :-(


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Der Finger on December 06, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
Hey @all, first of all sorry for my bad english. I will do my best. ;-)

Thx for the nice guide. So I upgraded a 09 Quad 2,66 MacPro to a 10 Hex 3,33 MacPro and bought 1333Mhz Ram. This one
http://www.mix-computer.de/html/product/detail.html?articleId=544303 (http://www.mix-computer.de/html/product/detail.html?articleId=544303)

But after the reboot I still see the Ram as 1066. I make a Pram Reset and an SMC Reset but the Ram still is a 1066 ram.

What can I do?



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on December 09, 2011, 07:47:18 AM
Hey @all, first of all sorry for my bad english. I will do my best. ;-)

Thx for the nice guide. So I upgraded a 09 Quad 2,66 MacPro to a 10 Hex 3,33 MacPro and bought 1333Mhz Ram. This one
http://www.mix-computer.de/html/product/detail.html?articleId=544303 (http://www.mix-computer.de/html/product/detail.html?articleId=544303)

But after the reboot I still see the Ram as 1066. I make a Pram Reset and an SMC Reset but the Ram still is a 1066 ram.

What can I do?
Maybe you didn't actually get the PRAM reset right. I hold the Command-Option-P-R keys through two beeps / screen resets before I let go. Perhaps try again?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Der Finger on December 09, 2011, 02:18:30 PM
I actually hold the keys for 5 beeps and the Ram was already shown as 1066


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on December 10, 2011, 06:17:35 AM
Well, that's out of my league, then. My RAM changed from 1066 to 1333 upon completion of the firmware upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1 automatically. My upgrade went in this order:
1) RAM upgrade from 16GB 1066 to 32GB 1333 which ran at 1066.
2) Firmware upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1. RAM then ran at 1333.
3) W3580 replaced with a W3680. RAM still runs at 1333.

Wait, I have an idea. Is all your RAM matched? Maybe you have one stick that isn't 1333MHz, and it's slowing the rest down?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on December 10, 2011, 06:33:03 AM
Wait, I have an idea. Is all your RAM matched? Maybe you have one stick that isn't 1333MHz, and it's slowing the rest down?

That wouldn't happen.  If there was a bad stick that could't reach the speed that the firmware required, the system would crash not slow down.

Lou



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Der Finger on December 11, 2011, 05:55:53 PM
Hey wonderspark, thanks for your answer.

After I tried it many times I decided to give the transcend ram back and try some nanya ram. I bought it already and when it´s here I post the result. I hope that with the new ram the problem is gone.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Cardo45 on December 12, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
The RAM speed is determined by the CPU, and the Mac Pro firmware will not overclock it. If you install the Westmere CPU, and have RAM that is identified as 1333 or higher, it will run and perform at that speed, just like on the 2010 Mac Pro. You may have to do a PRAM reset after the upgrade for this to take effect. (Option-OpenApple-P-R at system boot time). Here is a link for memory that I tested that is a good value and worked perfectly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139268

Your hard work and efforts are appreciated.  Also, is this or any firmware upgrade necessary for upgrading the processors in a 2010 5,1 macro 2xE5620 Quad 2.4ghz to either of the 2010 5,1 hex processors 5650 or 5670 or 5690?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on December 12, 2011, 06:12:27 PM
If you have a 2010 MacPro 5,1 then you can just swap the cpu's.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Cardo45 on December 12, 2011, 08:42:43 PM
If you have a 2010 MacPro 5,1 then you can just swap the cpu's.

Thanks for the reply!  Also, I was trying to follow another thread on mac rumors where a "single processor unit" processor upgrade had been done on a mac pro 2010 5,1, and there was conversation about the "dual processor" mac pro 2010 5,1 upgrading only one processor at a time.  Meaning -- those Westmere Xeon X5600 processors are currently around $1100-$1500 per processor, and it was explained that if doing an upgrade those (Westmere) are the only processor options for the Mac Pro 2010 5,1 dual processor systems.  Therefore, one forum member was inquiring about the likelihood of removing both of the existing Xeon E5620 Quad 2.4ghz processors and putting one Xeon X5670 in one socket and leaving the other socket empty.  He planned to purchase the second processor when it was more economical.  The response was it should work with the one processor and the other socket being left empty.  Do you have any knowledge or information on wether or not this will actually work. I never read where it had been confirmed on the other thread.  And, if it is possible will it require any firmware/software update?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Der Finger on December 21, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
After I tried it many times I decided to give the transcend ram back and try some nanya ram. I bought it already and when it´s here I post the result. I hope that with the new ram the problem is gone.

So I gave the Transcend Ram back and bought some Nanya Ram and IT WORKS FINE!!!

Problem was the cheap Transcend Ram.

Greetings Finger


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on December 21, 2011, 11:11:22 AM
So I gave the Transcend Ram back and bought some Nanya Ram and IT WORKS FINE!!!

Problem was the cheap Transcend Ram.

Greetings Finger

That's good news, we were all a bit confused as to why it wasn't working for you.
Happy Holidays :)

Nick


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Der Finger on December 21, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Yeah I was completely confused as the ram was shown as 1066mhz.  :D

So I´m very glad that the solution was that simple.

@Nick, @all HAPPY HOLIDAYS


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shloka on December 22, 2011, 04:36:12 AM
guys, so where i can get this soft for 2009 upgrade? please publish link...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on December 22, 2011, 12:26:17 PM
guys, so where i can get this soft for 2009 upgrade? please publish link...

Page 1, 1st post!:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004 (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004)

But read the whole thread as there are many things to take into consideration
if you are going to do any Hardware changes.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Incubus27 on December 29, 2011, 09:39:45 PM
Hey guys - I can witness that the utility works flawlessly on a Mac Pro 4,1 Today I upgraded the CPU's from X5550 (2.66 Gb) to X5675 (3.06 Gb) from Nehalem to Westmere, from 8 cores to 12. With a little patience, some tweaking (fans full blast, one has to find the correct adjustment in the heatsink pressure, some RAM not properly recognized) my Mac Pro is now a 12 core, working smoothly, and the RAM which was originally 1333 Mhz is working at its defined speed. Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Incubus27 on December 29, 2011, 09:45:37 PM
More screen shots!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: JDDD on January 14, 2012, 02:42:27 PM
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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: KFunk on January 15, 2012, 01:43:51 AM
Hi All,

I'm going to purchase a used 2009 Mac Pro so I can eventually do the upgrade. Question: if a get a dual processor 8-core will the cost of the dual-processor-capable Intel Xeon chips come down to around $500 or so before they go out of stock, or will I be stuck having to pony up $2000 to upgrade both CPUs in the 8-core versus the $600 I could upgrade the single processor model currently?

I know nothing about the price/lifecycle of Intel Xeon processors. My goal is to live with the stock config until I can upgrade both processors down the road for a grand or less. Is that (eventually) doable with the 2009 8-core or should I just get the quad-core?

Thanks in advance for any advice


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on January 15, 2012, 11:44:56 AM
Hi KFunk,
  I did exactly the same, brought a second hand 2009 MacPro, ran it 'till I could get the cash
together for the upgrade. I went for the 8 core as I do a lot of rendering. For most people the
extra cpu is not worth it. FYI, I also managed to get two Westmeres off ebay, risky, but worked.

   In total I saved about £1k on buying the 2010 spec machine. This whole operation is fraught
with danger. Before doing this please read the whole thread & check out links to other sites. The
fact that the AnandTech guy's managed to fry the cpu motherboard gives you some idea of the pitfalls.

   Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic opportunity, 3 months on & my upgrade is flawless. But the
risks are high, the ball is in your court ;)

Nick

   


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Romain on January 18, 2012, 06:28:10 PM
Hi there,
really enjoyed this transition from MP 2009 to newer 5.1 EFI, and new CPU W3680 hexacore.
But here is a problem and I guess it comes from the update :
Don't have the Apple original Mac pro 5.1 install DVD (nor the 2009 version, I bought it second hand with the wrong DVD, 2008), I tried to start the MP from a Snow Leopard family pack DVD to see my chances to get rescued in case of system failure. The Mac got stuck on the grey screen and logo.
My set-up, I added a LG BlueRay burner, in place of the original DVD burner that I placed in second bay. No problem so far, can burn 2 DVD at the same time, great! So I placed the install SLeopard in the DVD burner, and same fate. It stops at Apple logo.
So, anyone has a clue? Is my only rescue is to get Sleopard installed on external drive? And would Lion be better for that matter (it solves the dvd bit), but should be no different of having SL on the USB key or external drive.
By the way, don't know how to get an original 5.1 2010 Mac pro install DVD, cannot ask to Apple since my MP is 2009. Try to check in the French community to find out if there is one compassionate user ; )
Thank you.

I had exactly the same problem and I just solved it today. I needed to install a clean version of Snow Leopard (don't want to upgrade to Lion), and my upgraded Mac pro (single CPU, upgraded from a 4core to 6core) doesn't boot with the OSX DVD provided with the computer, as the Mac Pro 2009 only comes with 10.5.6 or 10.6 (see http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1159?viewlocale=en_EN). Same thing with the Snow Leopard disk I bought (10.6.3 is the most recent version you can buy on DVD).
So I installed SL 10.6.3 on an external drive connected to an iMac, then I upgraded it to 10.6.8, (the most recent SL update available), and then put back the HDD in the Mac Pro. It works perfectly fine so far!

Hope this helps,

R

PS: You can still call Apple and ask for the latest Mac Pro recovery disk (2010) even if you own a 2009 MP. I did it and they'll send me a copy of the 2010 version, it costs about 20€. The only problem is that it takes 2 to 3 weeks, and I couldn't wait that long.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mluters on January 29, 2012, 04:19:27 PM
I currently have a 2009 Quad 3.33 that I want to upgrade to a 2010 Hex 3.33. I also use an Areca ARC-1882 IX-12 raid card to boot from a stripped RAID 0 and also have a 8TB raid 5 attached to the ARC-1882.

Here is my question...is my EFI upgrade going to work while booting from the Raid card or do I need to flash to EFI 5.1 using a regular sata hard drive connected directly to the back plane of my MP?  I know once the MP is on 5.1, the MP should boot just fine with the ARC-1882 because I have read about other people using Areca cards after upgrading. I just don't know if I can upgrade the EFI to 5.1 with the 3rd party raid card installed and booting from it? Or...could I just boot from an extra USB external hard drive and upgrade to EFI 5.1 from that?

Any help before I upgrade would be greatly appreciated because I really don't want to mess up my Raid setup.

Thanks in advance
 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mluters on January 30, 2012, 07:29:10 AM
I booted from a extra hard drive connected to the backplane and then updated the firmware to 5.1 without any troubles.  Now I'm booting from the ARC-1882 card and can't wait to install a new 3.33 hex.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blaakfisk on January 31, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
Awesome program. I have a problem that I'm going to make brief for convenience.

My computer: 2009 quad 2.93 mac pro, upgraded to 5,1 firmware.
I recently switched from an apple HD 4870 video card, to a non-apple, stock firmware 5870; I get no boot screen but other than that it works fine.

My problem: Since updating to 5,1 firmware I can't boot into Windows via bootcamp while using the 5870.
With 4,1 firmware I could set the startup disk to bootcamp and restart, and everything worked fine with the 5870. Now when I do that the computer restarts and I get no output from my video card.

When I put the 4870 back in everything works fine, which means it's something to do with the startup disk settings (which I believe are in the PRAM) and the video card. Does anybody have any ideas as to what the problem might be and if there's a solution? I'm at a loss, and honestly don't even know what to google for potential solutions.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: With both cards installed and powered, and the 5870 connected to the display, everything works as it should. With both cards installed and only the 5870 powered, Windows does not boot. I would keep them both powered but I don't think I should power two cards with only the PCI power when I'm doing more than just testing startup disks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on February 01, 2012, 10:27:58 AM
...The following happens upon reboot: I hold the power button until after the beep, upon which the progress bar briefly appears in a flash of about half a second and the system immediately restarts. When I check About and System Profiler nothing has changed...  

As far as I'm aware the firmware update is not too fussed on OS version etc. It's odd that the update seems to start, but finishes without applying.
As the files are downloaded from Apple I take it you have an internet connection to the machine while doing this?. I could be wrong, but wanted to help.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 01, 2012, 12:18:38 PM
Hi Nick! Thanks for your attempt to help, much appreciated! As you can see, I have already gone and removed my post, since it turned out there was a simple solution to my problem. I updated the OS to SL 10.6.8, then downloaded and installed Apple's latest EFI update for my 4,1 Mac Pro - B07 (I was previously stuck on B04, which is why is why MacEFIRom's brilliant utility wouldn't work) - then ran the 5,1 firmware update. All is well now and I am about to order my new W3680 and 1333mhz ram sticks  ;) Big thanks to MacEFIRom for his fantastic work and all of you for creating such an enlightening forum! Cheers!  


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on February 01, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
Thanks Balkurian,
  Glad you got it to work, I'm now almost 4 months in on my upgrade & everything is working fine.
Do take great care when doing the cpu swap. I read up everything I could on this thread, including
links to other sites with info. It's well worth it, but not for the faint hearted ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 01, 2012, 01:00:46 PM
Will do Nick!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 08, 2012, 08:50:02 PM
Formerly known as 2009 quad Nehalem is now a 2010 hexa Westmere with plenty of fast ram and a couple ssd's to make the merry go round. Happy days! Thank you all again!  ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: karaluchy on February 12, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
just jumped from 2.66 quad to 3.33 hex :] everything went smooth and is working ok. had no problem with recognizing faster 1333 ram.

thanks again!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on February 12, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
Thanks for letting us know all went well Balkurian & karaluchy  8)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on February 14, 2012, 01:06:45 PM
Today happen there is an EFI upgrade after i restart my Mac Pro i saw there is a bar emerge during the Grey screen and the bar advance less than 1/4 and the Mac Pro shut down by itself. i try to boot it up many time and everything the same thing happen.. Any GURU out there could help pls. :-[


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 14, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Feins:

I'm not quite sure I know what you mean. Although I suspect this has something to do with the Boot Rom Version of your Mac Pro. I'm hereby assuming that you are on a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1. Please check first which firmware (Boot Rom) version you have in System Profiler under Hardware. It should read MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4). If the last three digits are not B07, but say B04, then you should first update your EFI to B07. To do this you must start by upgrading your OS to at least 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard). You should then update your Mac Pro 4,1 to the latest EFI from Apple before performing MacEFIRom's firmware update. To find the latest EFI update from Apple for your 2009 Mac Pro - MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4) - do a google search for 'EFI and SMC firmware updates for Intel-based Macs'. Once you're upgraded to B07, MacEFIRom's upgrade will change your Boot Rom version B07 to that of a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1, that is: MP51.007F.B03. Please read the instructions on this forum carefully before you embark on this journey. Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on February 14, 2012, 03:01:36 PM
Hi Balkurian,

I've update my MP4.1 to 5.1 long ago. Today i just notice that is some Efi update status while boot up. The Grey screen below the Apple logo there is a bar. and the bar are gradually fill up until 1/4 it disappear and the system shut down itself. Symptom like an Efi update fail. Each time i boot it up the process goes on again.

Im not sure does the Lion Recovery update does apply for Mac Pro as my MAc Pro already upgrade to 5.1 it might think that mine are some 2010 version of boot rom.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 14, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
Hi Feins! I'm not sure I follow you entirely. The latest EFI updates from Apple (Lion Recovery feature) are for Macbook, Macbook Pro and Mac Mini. They are not for Mac Pro. Mac Pros cannot use Lion Internet Recovery (at least not currently). Unless you've gone and downloaded this EFI update and are trying to install it by holding down the power button upon cold boot (until LED flash and beep), I don't see why your Mac Pro would be experiencing these symptoms, sorry.. If the problem persists I would advise booting from another bootable volume or the OSX install DVD by holding the Option or C key respectively during power-up. You should then be able to reinstall your system's original 5,1 EFI from Apple. You could also try resetting your Mac Pro's SMC first (google 'Resetting SMC' for instructions), that might solve it. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on February 14, 2012, 04:56:58 PM
I've did smc and pram reset but it doesn't work. I didn't did any manual efi update and I don't understand why there are updating as well as I understand that the new lion recovery are for mbp,iMac and mini 2010. Im now doing Lion recovery and it's downloading the installation bout 1hour ago. Still have 3hr to finish.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sslss on February 15, 2012, 06:37:49 AM
Feins:

I'm not quite sure I know what you mean. Although I suspect this has something to do with the Boot Rom Version of your Mac Pro. I'm hereby assuming that you are on a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1. Please check first which firmware (Boot Rom) version you have in System Profiler under Hardware. It should read MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4). If the last three digits are not B07, but say B04, then you should first update your EFI to B07. To do this you must start by upgrading your OS to at least 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard). You should then update your Mac Pro 4,1 to the latest EFI from Apple before performing MacEFIRom's firmware update. To find the latest EFI update from Apple for your 2009 Mac Pro - MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4) - do a google search for 'EFI and SMC firmware updates for Intel-based Macs'. Once you're upgraded to B07, MacEFIRom's upgrade will change your Boot Rom version B07 to that of a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1, that is: MP51.007F.B03. Please read the instructions on this forum carefully before you embark on this journey. Good luck!

ouch, I missed this in the upgrade as well. my 2009 has the Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03, but no issues so far. the question is: how should I do the update to the B07 now? do I have to take the hex out, put the quad back in, update the ROM to B07 and re-install the hex again? or is it possible to install the B07 with the hex in it ?

thanks in advance.

not sure if this is related, but someone else had trouble today after applying some "security update" ---> read here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1324179


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on February 15, 2012, 03:59:58 PM
Feins:

I'm not quite sure I know what you mean. Although I suspect this has something to do with the Boot Rom Version of your Mac Pro. I'm hereby assuming that you are on a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1. Please check first which firmware (Boot Rom) version you have in System Profiler under Hardware. It should read MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4). If the last three digits are not B07, but say B04, then you should first update your EFI to B07. To do this you must start by upgrading your OS to at least 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard). You should then update your Mac Pro 4,1 to the latest EFI from Apple before performing MacEFIRom's firmware update. To find the latest EFI update from Apple for your 2009 Mac Pro - MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4) - do a google search for 'EFI and SMC firmware updates for Intel-based Macs'. Once you're upgraded to B07, MacEFIRom's upgrade will change your Boot Rom version B07 to that of a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1, that is: MP51.007F.B03. Please read the instructions on this forum carefully before you embark on this journey. Good luck!

ouch, I missed this in the upgrade as well. my 2009 has the Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03, but no issues so far. the question is: how should I do the update to the B07 now? do I have to take the hex out, put the quad back in, update the ROM to B07 and re-install the hex again? or is it possible to install the B07 with the hex in it ?

thanks in advance.

not sure if this is related, but someone else had trouble today after applying some "security update" ---> read here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1324179


sslss: Yes here is what've did to restore my MacPro back to life, i've did is to Restore Lion by Pressing the C Key during boot up until the Restoration HD appear and then restore all my data from the TimeMachine a day before the update. Then i downgrade my MacPro back to 2009 since i don't upgrade my Processor only the Memory that I'm using speed are drop back to 1066.
Now everything working as usual. :D it really freak me out this two days.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 22, 2012, 12:15:32 AM
ssls: I hope I understand you correctly... If your boot rom version is MP51.007F.B03, that means you've already upgraded your 2009 Mac Pro to the new 5,1 2010 firmware (which would be why you now have a hex!). If for some non-apparent reason you would want to downgrade your Mac Pro back to the 2009 firmware (MP41.0081.B07 (EFI 1.4)) using MacEFIRom's utility (lord knows why you would want to do that!), then yes, you would do as you say: put the quad back in the Mac Pro first, then run MacEFIRom's utility and install the 2009 firmware (MP41.0081.B07). Again, I have no idea why you would want to do this. MP51.007F.B03 is the latest 5,1 firmware, so no reason to change things.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on February 22, 2012, 12:39:35 AM
sslss: to clear things up a little, I think maybe you misunderstood my initial post (the one you quoted). Once again, MP51.007F.B03 (EFI 1.5) is the latest 5,1 2010 firmware. Your Mac Pro hex is fine the way it is, sooo 2010! ;) The point I was trying to make was that MacEFIRom's upgrade utility will not work on a 2009 4,1 Mac Pro with firmware older than MP41.0081.B07 installed. In my case, it was still MP41.0081.B04, which is why MacEFIRom's utility wasn't working for me. So... rather than messing with the code in his utility... I upgraded my Mac Pro firmware to MP41.0081.B07 first directly from Apple's website, then used MacEFIRom's utility to upgrade it to a 5,1 2010 Mac Pro with firmware revision MP51.007F.B03 (EFI 1.5). Since the symptoms that feins was describing sounded similar to my initial hiccups trying to use MacEFIRom's utility on an older MP41.0081.B04 revision, I thought I would see if I could help. So once again: no reason to worry or change anything. Your Mac Pro is all set and ready to go as it is! Please disregard my initial post (the one you quoted) as it doesn't apply to you.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: telopereira on February 23, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
Hi MacEFIRom ! I've changed my backplane board of my MacPro early 2009 with a new backplane board (the new is for Mac Pro middle 2010) , so , the fan are now in high speed and I've tried to change the firmware like you did , but I couldn't find , because I can't find any firmware update at /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder (it's empty) , and also can't find EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program (I don't know were to look) . If I use a processor board from other MacPro , I don't have this problem . In the system profile (hardware overview) , is all the same for both processor boards , except the SMC Version (processor tray) that is for processor board with high speed fan : 1.39f5 and for the other (normal speed) is 1.39f11 , I've tried to find an aplication that would change this , but no success . Have any ideia how can I do this ? Can you help me , please .


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: telopereira on February 24, 2012, 03:03:50 AM

Hi people ! I've found and could get the MacPro 2009-2010 firmware tool , but doing upgrade or downgrade , it doesn't matter , because the problem is in the differents firmwares , of the backplane and processor board don't match. This is what System Profiler reports:

SMC Version (system):   1.39f11
SMC Version (processor tray):1.39f5

I just order and installed a replacement processor board, started it up and the fans are blaring but it's working fine (I'm typing on it right now). Is there any way to get them the same since I think that's why the fans are going nuts?

Here's the entire Hardware Overview (minus serial numbers):

Hardware Overview:

Model Name:   Mac Pro
Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed:   2.26 GHz
Number Of Processors:   2
Total Number Of Cores : 8
L2 Cache (per core):   256 KB
L3 Cache:   8 MB
Memory:   16 GB
Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B00
SMC Version (system):   1.39f11
SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5
Serial Number (system):   
Serial Number (processor tray):   
Hardware UUID:   

I was trying to redefine the SMC Version for processor tray , so I hope that anybody knows how to do this , sometimes we have to change SMC Versions of cards or devices to be compatible with our System and/or Applications , so if this is possible , I wondering that this would be possible with this processor board too ...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 03, 2012, 12:32:09 PM
Hello guys,

I'm new to forum and kind of a noob when it comes to processors... but first things first: Hello!!!  ;D
And thanks for the EFI tool and the great info here. Seems like a very friendly place.

I don't mean to harrass with tons of questions, just looking for basic info - any advice greatly appreciated:

After reading through the whole thread and digging into the "howto"-links with pics etc., I think I can do it.
I'm on MP41.0081.B07, did the upgrade somewhen last year, so I should be set to go 5.1.

One thing I'm still unclear about is which exact replacement processor to get for my 2009 2.66 Quad Nehalem.
Some pages earlier, I saw mentioned a good replacement should be X5960... any other advice?
Maybe a link or two to which exact processors I could / should consider?

All the best,

F


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on March 03, 2012, 01:33:58 PM
You should go for the W3680 ( 3.33 Ghz hexacore ) as you have a single CPU socket board.
Also W3690 ( 3.46 Ghz hexacore ) works but is almost twice as expensive...
So , there is just only one option :D W3680.
Congrats !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 03, 2012, 04:51:42 PM
You should go for the W3680 ( 3.33 Ghz hexacore ) as you have a single CPU socket board.
Also W3690 ( 3.46 Ghz hexacore ) works but is almost twice as expensive...
So , there is just only one option :D W3680.
Congrats !

Sounds great, thanks a lot for the W3680 suggestion!
Just to be clear... can I buy any Intel W3680? I mean, there's no different models (socket, godknowswhat) or such of that thing?
Just get a W3680 and I'm set?

That would be ... urhm...nice!  ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on March 03, 2012, 05:23:59 PM
Yes, Intel W3680 boxed, any batch will do just fine. ( boxed means it comes properly in a box with a Intel fan , but the fan you should´t use of course )


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on March 03, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
Cheapest one's I could find from a trusted source:

http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80613w3680~7ITEP374.htm

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117242&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Processors+-+Server-_-Intel-_-19117242

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 03, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
Wow guys, thanks a lot for not treating me like the idiot I am.  ;)

I use this machine for video editing, and I'm always on a tight budget, so I have to do all the upgrading step by step. The smaller, the better. By now have an OWC SSD, an ATI 5570 (noisy fan issue, but i put OpenGL Test in my startup items, haha), 8TB WD Black drives, Blackmagic video and Sonnet eSata cards in there.

Each time I upgrade something I literally shit my pants... because it's the only MacPro I have around. I think I'll have to get used to the idea of the processor upgrade for a few days. I can't afford messing anything up because I'm in the middle of a bigger editing project right now, but definitely now keeping an eye open for a W3680. I really need the speed pretty soon because I have a year's worth of FullHD material to transcode & edit, begiining in April. Sorry for the rant, but it seems like this could save tons of time.

2.66 Nehalem out, 3.33 six-core in! That would be so awesome.  :o


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on March 03, 2012, 07:40:32 PM
Hi Fuzzo,

Don't feel daunted by the processor upgrade. As long as you precisely follow philipma1957's processor upgrade instructions (http://att.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551 (http://att.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1122551)) and the other information posted here, you'll be just fine. It really is surprisingly easy to do. To be honest, I found installing an Airport Extreme card in my MP far more fussy than swapping out the processor. I am now a month into my upgrade and everything is working perfectly. Remember to put in some fast DDR3 1333MHz RAM sticks as well (and reset the PRAM after you install). Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 03, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Hey Balkurian,

as a matter of fact, for the last two hours I've been printing out the macrumours & other upgrade threads, ordered ArctiClean set & long hex driver.
Oh, and I forgot to mention: I'm on 5.1 already...  ;D it worked like a charm. Testing the system now. Hoping to run into a 2nd hand w3680 soonish. RAM can wait.

Thanks a ton for the support, folks!  ;)


EDIT:
Found me a sweet deal on a W3680  ;D > wish me steady hands, good nerves... and a bit of luck.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Concorde Rules on March 07, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
Ok, I've finally got round to doing this and it doesn't work.

I'm running Lion 10.7.3 on my 2009 MP, current firmware: MP41.0081.B07

I run the app, it tells me to shut down and hold the power button.

I held the power button until the lights flashed and the firmware screen popped up briefly before it then restarted.
Second time I held the power button until the long beep and the FW screen popped up again before it then restarted.

Result is... I'm still on my original FW.

Why isn't this working? :/

Edit:

Did two things (now I'm updated, yay!)

1: Reset PRAM.
2. Moved the app to Applications folder.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 07, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Good to hear! Hope the rest of the procedure goes well for you!  ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: hitch on March 07, 2012, 08:06:09 PM
Hi there, Have read through the posts here diligently but can't find an answer...

MP 2009 early 2.66 now upgraded using the firmware hack (Thank you)

 Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   6-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   3.33 GHz
  Number of Processors:   1
  Total Number of Cores:   6
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache:   12 MB
  Memory:   16 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5

No matter what i do I cannot make my 1333 memory (Yes it is 1333) register that way shows 1066, have tried PRAM rest numerous times, took out the 1333 replaced the 1066 booted then replaced the 1333 and reset pram.  Reset SMC also.. Nothing nada... Any ideas ?

Since I flashed this a while back has there been an upgrade to the hack I might have missed.

Any ideas ? should I care ?

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on March 07, 2012, 08:58:59 PM
No, MacEFIRom's firmware upgrade utility hasn't been updated. Resetting the PRAM should solve this (if done properly). Can you say specifically what type of memory you're using? Have you made sure to remove all the 1066MHz memory before you put in the 1333MHz DDR3 sticks? Combining 1066 and 1333 will make it run at 1066.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: hitch on March 08, 2012, 01:00:10 AM
Thanks for the response. The memory is Xms 4gb sticks 1333mhz xms3 pc3-10666 non ecc 9-9-9-24 latency

I have tried the pram deal I get the dings but still doesn't recognize it, I booted in safe mode, also removed the 1333 put the 1066 ecc back in rebooted, reset pram and repeated, each time it shows as 1066

I have the system booting to 64bit mode, not sure if that effects things processor works fine, temp is fine

This is early 2009 2.66 nahalem single processor

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Balkurian on March 08, 2012, 02:39:46 AM
So you are using Corsair 4x4GB 1333mhz xms3 pc3-10600 non-ECC, is that right? If you can avoid it, don't use non-ECC memory. Your Mac Pro is made to support ECC ram and by installing non-ECC you are disabling this feature. It could also be the cause of your memory being downclocked or not registering properly. Some non-ECC RAM actually won't work at all in a Mac Pro. And if you mix it with regular ECC RAM, your Mac Pro won't even boot.

Also, what CPU are you on? Judging from your system report I'm guessing you've upgraded to a Westmere W3680 3,33ghz hexacore, is that correct? If that is the case, then you could try a different RAM configuration. Try installing only 3x4GB (12GB) and leaving one slot empty. Reset the PRAM after install and check your System Report again to see if the speed now reads 1333mhz. However, this being both an unlikely and unsatisfactory solution, my recommendation would be to get proper ECC memory that is proven to be Mac Pro compatible. Check Crucial, OWC or Kingston websites. I went with a triple channel 24GB (3x8GB) 1333mhz ECC kit from the latter (part nr KTA-MP1333DRK3/24G) and it is working wonderfully. Triple channel memory (filling three slots with identical memory sticks and leaving the fourth one empty) will give you faster memory bandwidth in a Mac Pro, although you won't really notice the performance increase. Depending on the application, having enough memory to eliminate the need for disk access and allow disk caching might be more important than having marginally faster memory. In that case you would want to fill all four slots with as much memory as possible (providing both the OS and application are running in 64-bit so they can use all of it).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: prodigynumber1 on March 09, 2012, 06:02:55 AM
Where can I download the installer for this hacked firmware update?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: brandmarc on March 12, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Hi,

does anyone kow if the Firmware Upgrade is also working when i use OSX 10.5.8 or do i have to install 10.6. first?

thank you


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 15, 2012, 05:53:34 PM
up and running. w3680 in 4.1 mp.  ;D

anyone knows which core temperatures are safe? i'm not too knowledgeable on the stuff... cpu-world.com says "Maximum operating temperature = 67.9°C" hm.
i maxed out all cores with "yes > /dev/null" and results were slightly hotter (73-75°C). even with fan control set +300 rpm on everything.

need i worry?  :-[


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: subfly on March 18, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
great, thanks a lot for the W3680 suggestion!
Just to be clear... can I buy any Intel W3680? I mean, there's no different models (socket, godknowswhat) or such of that thing?
Just get a W3680 and I'm set?

If you want something cheaper yet getting a big boost from a 2.66, I just bought a W3670 for around 400$. I think it is a good bang for the buck!

PS Just read you already found a 3680... at what price?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on March 18, 2012, 10:20:15 PM
great, thanks a lot for the W3680 suggestion!
Just to be clear... can I buy any Intel W3680? I mean, there's no different models (socket, godknowswhat) or such of that thing?
Just get a W3680 and I'm set?

If you want something cheaper yet getting a big boost from a 2.66, I just bought a W3670 for around 400$. I think it is a good bang for the buck!

PS Just read you already found a 3680... at what price?

Yup, the W3680 is up and running. I was a bit paranoid about temperature etc, but I think it's gonna do fine. Got the processor from a colleague who is a PC gear tweaker... he didn't need it. Very special price  ;D

[EDIT]
Just gave it a rendering load and some cores easily hit 82°C... hmm. Should I reapply thermal paste? The fans don't ramp up to go with the rising temperature. Hmmm.
Guys, what are your temperatures under full load with the W3680?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: prodigynumber1 on March 19, 2012, 06:07:46 PM
Can someone help me? I've searched this thread over and over and can't find where to download the installer for this firmware upgrade.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on March 19, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
Can someone help me? I've searched this thread over and over and can't find where to download the installer for this firmware upgrade.

Thanks!

First post, http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: prodigynumber1 on March 19, 2012, 06:48:43 PM
Can someone help me? I've searched this thread over and over and can't find where to download the installer for this firmware upgrade.

Thanks!

First post, http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004

Wow, I'm blind! Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Concorde Rules on March 21, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
up and running. w3680 in 4.1 mp.  ;D

anyone knows which core temperatures are safe? i'm not too knowledgeable on the stuff... cpu-world.com says "Maximum operating temperature = 67.9°C" hm.
i maxed out all cores with "yes > /dev/null" and results were slightly hotter (73-75°C). even with fan control set +300 rpm on everything.

need i worry?  :-[

Try my fan control: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1340705

Keeps my W3680 under 65C CPU Temp (~52C CPU Heatsink temp).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dksoutha on March 24, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
@ hitch and anybody else seeing there 1333 memory reported as 1066:

After upgrading the CPU, reset the SMC before resetting the PRAM. I first tried resetting the PRAM and got the same results as you - RAM reported as 1066. Then I reset the SMC, and followed that with another PRAM reset and BOOM it worked. RAM reported as 1333. The combination of SMC/PRAM reset also solved my SATA issue, where it would only negotiate a 1.5 GBps link. Now running at a happy normal 3.0 GBps link for each HDD, save the optical drive.

One quirk that I have noticed is this: running any one of Apple's hardware tests - AHT, ASD EFI, and ASD OS - show a video controller error (4VDC/3/40000003) after modding to the 2010 EFI. Switching back to original CPU and EFI gets rid of the error. Hmmm...

I have noticed no performance issues, and cleaning the Northbridge heatsink during the swap did wonders for my temps. Friggin' cat hair gets everywhere.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mrh63061 on March 25, 2012, 01:34:37 AM
Just another user of the utility reporting another successful upgrade from a quad core 2.66 to a hexacore 3.33 along with 1333MHz ram, went very smooth, didn't even have to zap the pram or reset SMC, booted up and everything showed up as it was supposed to.

Thanks to EFIRom and all those who did early testing, now it's time to concentrate on the GPU and get rid of POS GT120.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienallan on March 25, 2012, 02:27:25 AM
Psssst...   dont forget to donate, we all need this place very much.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: subfly on March 29, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Thanks from  Belgium, an hexacore 3.2GHz  is born! Too bad I just bought 16Gb of 1066 RAM instead of 1333. Does it make a significant difference?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on March 30, 2012, 08:29:10 AM
Yes, it does but even more you should not use 4 RAM modules but 3. So 12 or 24 GB for you Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: axsnetworks on March 30, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Thanks....


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AlexPopov on April 06, 2012, 10:48:28 AM
First of all thanks for the good job!
Question:
is it possible to put the x5698 xeon - in SINGLE PROCESSOR macpro 4.1 ?
this CPU is supposed to work in pair. I've allready bought it.
I'm using WinXP prof. 32bit. Bootcamp. 90% of time (my job soft is for this OS only)
But sometimes i use OSX for entarteinments.

Thanks in adnance.


Title: Ready to go - a few questions first...
Post by: 6ixgun on April 07, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
After much reading on here I am ready to take the plunge but want a few things clarified first.... I have a W3680 in hand and am anxious to do this..
My MP is an early 2009,  Single 2.66GHZ,    Firmware MP41.0081.B07,  16 GB  1066 ECC RAM  SMC version 1.39f5  It just came off apple care..

1>  Is this firmware upgrade safe / stable  to use with LION ?
2>  Will it still allow apple software updates to function normally ?
3>  Are the steps to install as follows:  
        a.   Back up OS / Boot Disc
        b.   Install firmware update and Run it.
        c.   Reboot / App will Flash  SMC
        d.   Check system after reboot, make sure boots OK and looks normal ...
        e.   Replace 2.66 Processor
        f.    Install  3x8 GB  1333 ECC RAM   in slots 1-3  
        g.   Say a prayer,  and boot again,  clear  PRAM

4>    Is there a big difference with using 4x4 GB  1066 RAM   vs   3x8GB 1333 RAM ?    
5>    Is it paramount to use only 3 modules for the best results ?

6>    Are then any issues with RAID ?   I have a 6 TB -  4 disk  RAID0 Drive as my data drive,  an Intel  128GB SSD as the boot / system drive.  

7>    Are the any gotchas ?   For instance - does it really matter if my 10.5 install disk is useless after the upgrade ?  

8>    Will this combo work with an Nvidia  GTX285 / Mac Version

That's it...   thanks!






Title: Re: Ready to go - a few questions first...
Post by: NickLambert on April 08, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
I had the MP 2009  twin 2.66GHZ and had no problems, so:

1>  Yes
2>  Yes
3>  Yes
4>  Not really, if you need more RAM then go for 4  
5>  For best results yes, but it is marginal
6>  No problem, I have SSD boot, 3xSSD int. RAID & 4x HDD ext RAID  
7>  So far I'm only aware of the pre-Lion boot DVD issue. I've had no other problem.  
8>  Yep, I have Nvidia  GTX285 / Mac Version :)

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 6ixgun on April 09, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
Thanks for the info....  I upgraded the  EFI today,  now its  at  5.1  had no issues at all, seems to be stable and cannot tell any difference from 4.1   next step,  processor and  RAM swap.      I ordered 3X8GB  ECC 1333, that will take me from 16GBX4 sticks to  24GB x 3 sticks.      

I'll let you know if it all goes well....   its one of our production machines so we probably won't do it until next weekend....  

M


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 6ixgun on April 10, 2012, 01:38:00 AM
Wow, that was painless... we decided to go ahead why wait.. LOL    

BEFORE:  geekbench score   with 2.66,  16GB 1066 ECC,  and 4.1   ~9500

Updated EFI to 5.1
Installed  W3680 in about 10 minutes
Installed  8GB x3  1333 ECC RAM    in slots 1-3
Installed  GTX285 Mac Edition  and connected two 30" Cinema Monitors

Reboot,  reset PRAM -  worked like a champ -  new geekbench score  15353 +   and 1333 memspeed.     That was a no-brainer.
Photoshop and Lightroom now run as they should... no latency whatsoever.    LOVE IT !!
  
Thanks to all who put in the time to make this happen.    

PS:  I am interested to see if there will be any issues updating to mountain lion...


Title: Some additional observations....
Post by: 6ixgun on April 10, 2012, 05:52:50 PM
The conversion went very smoothly,  however we have noticed a few quirks to be aware of:

1>  Time machine did not "see"  the original computer, it thinks its a new computer and asks to inherit data profile from the old computer  (say yes!)
2>  All icons that were arranged in the launch pad were  set back to default (alphabetical)...   that was a strange one
3>  Safari was reset so apple home screen came up (preferences.plist maybe was deleted ,  not sure)  all other settings + bookmarks were fine
4>  Some (only a few) icons we had changed reverted back to their originals..  another "no explanation"  but we changed them back now they're fine.


A few observations :    

1>  sleep mode seems far more reliable.  We used to lose mouse and USB communication once a day but now that trait is gone.
2>  memory leaks seem to be reduced, we no longer need to use the free memory app to release memory tied up by leaks  (way cool!)
3>  we use Adobe Lightroom 4 for photo prep / processing,   we can now make image mods in real time,  we've not even seen the wheel of death once.  That alone was worth the upgrade price.    

Overall, we are very pleased with the update.   We'll give it a little time,  but we have 4 more MP 2009's to update.    Sure beats buying new machines.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AlexPopov on April 10, 2012, 10:25:34 PM
Is here anybody who has done this firmware switch and using BootCamp+WinXP (or Win7) ???
Are there any problems with Windows?
My config:
MacPro 4.1, 2.66 (single CPU).
Allready bought:
- Processor Tray
- Heatsink
- x5698 Xeon
- 3x 1GB 1333 RAM (pulled from MacPro 5.1)
Currently i've replaced w3520 with w3580 - works OK without firmware upgrade.

Thanks in advance!
P.s. - ones again - is it no problem to switch back to 4.1 ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 6ixgun on April 13, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
One last comment -  for anyone looking to upgrade your  1066 memory to 1333  -   don't bother - its a waste of $$      We replaced 4x4 16 GB of 1066 RAM with  3x8 24GB of 1333 RAM -  our geekbench and graphics benchmarks were within a few percent of each other.   

The 1333 is running at 1333 so no issues there,  it just does not make much of a diff.    We wanted the capacity upgrade so we spent the cash on the 1333, but overall this was a waste of cash if you are looking for more performance.      Keep that in mind should you be contemplating the memory purchase -  1066 works just fine and still gives a 60% performance boost over baseline. 







Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AlexPopov on April 18, 2012, 10:27:09 AM
I've done this Firmware upgrade.
Everything went with no problems. (CD opens, then closes itself)
BUT!!! the x5698 XEON was not able to boot!!!
w3580 - is OK. 1333 memory was OK too after PRAM reset.
Any ideas to make the x5698 run? (is there a full list of supported CPUs)
the only info that i've found on this XEON:
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/4AA3-7735ENW.pdf
http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SLC32.html
The CPU itself - is OK (tested in my PC)
Also i can confirm that downgrading to 4.1 firmware was OK.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AlexPopov on April 19, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
The question to the AUTHOR, to MacEFIRom!
I just suppose: May be there is a List of supported CPUs somewhere inside the Firmware files?
And is it possible to edit this List ?

x5698 - should not be in this List.
It's the OEM CPU.
It is not supposed to be sold to the public.
Any other ideas?
Thanks a lot anyway.
My fear and doubts are gone - i'm using w3580 now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on April 21, 2012, 02:14:13 AM
Well, this is a wonderful piece of work!

My 4,1 is working well as a 5,1 in OSX w/and 5780, VMWare Fusion and in Boot Camp Windows 7...

Amazing.

Most grateful MacEFIRom!!!!

I'm now going to the donation page...

Kindest regards,

tyvol


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on April 23, 2012, 08:28:04 AM

Again, everything working after 4,1 to 5,1 upgrade on my 2009 8 core 2.26 mHz 32 GB MP with a 5870 GPU.
Lion, VMWare Fusion with W7 and Office 2007 are fine.
Boot Camp is working perfectly with W7 and Office 2007 as well with FWIW WEI scores of 7.4, 7.4, 7.8, 7.8 and 6.9 (some say the WEI is useless, but it is all I can look at for now on the Boot Camp side), and DirectX 11 is a beautiful thing.

Anyway, I'm ready to update the CPUs (what has come over me?), but being a bit new to this kind of thing, I have three probably trivial newbie questions...

Read everything on this thread a couple of times and all of philipma1957's terrific posts and other helpful details, photos and screenshots and I have the tools recommended by all from Amazon, latex gloves and Artic Silver kit, etc.

It is also clear that my CPU focus should be on B1 stepped units in the x5650 to x5690 range (lower watts might be better) and I that don't need new heat sinks.

I did however see from your guidance that the two heat sinks I now have need to be used again (in the same spots they came from) but I did see a couple of posts that indicate that they will need to be trimmed. So, my first newbie question is:
Q1: What needs to be trimmed on each sink (and even how, if you have the time)?

As for spacing washers on each screw, it appears I have the choice of 2 x M4 1mm or 2 x M4 0.8mm + 1 M4 1mm. So, my second question is:
Q2: Where might I get such M4 washers and are they made of metal or heat treated plastic?

Lastly, some indicate that the fans kick on and stay on after successful new CPU installation...
Q3: Will such happen and are there any steps I need to take to deal with it before/after?

I know that to most on this thread that the answers to these things are probably obvious, but I'd be most grateful for any pointers you'd care to give to sort me out some, if you would.

After this great firmware upgrade, I just can help it - I just have to take full advantage of it, if with a little help I can...

Many thanks,

tyvol


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on May 02, 2012, 07:14:53 PM
Well, ready to go.

Q1
Trimming the heat sinks turns out not to be necessary in my case.

Q2
Washer spacers took some digging.
Found M4 x 9 in several metal options at Grainger.
Couldn't get them at .7 mm thickness, but at .8 mm (+/- error) and using a micrometer I could get stacks of three to come in at 2.20 mm.

Q3
Fans kicking on seems to be related to a proper install.

Now shopping for x5660's!

We'll see what happens.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macproman on May 14, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Hi Did you ever end up doing the firmware upgrade to make it 5,1? Just curious because I have the same macpro you do and I was wondering if it was even worth it. Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gonzalofv on May 14, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
Hi im new to this so pls no make fun of me ,,  :'( i did  an upgrade from  (4.1) 2.66 to 3.2  but it show as 3.19 also the memory is showing  1066 i try  to do the update  from apple , now show as 1.39 the firmware but im not familiar with al the terminology
can some one  explained me    pls....
many thanks
Gonzalo


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Chalky12 on May 15, 2012, 11:34:14 AM
Hi,

I have a 2009 2.66 quad Mac Pro, I did the firmware update with no issues, thanks  :)
I bought a W3680 off eBay, but when I installed it I get a Kernel Panic.
The error message says that the CPU is unresponsive anyone else had this issue?

I suspect the CPU is defective but I'm wondering if there is any way to test it before I go back to the eBay seller for a refund.

Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on May 19, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Hi Did you ever end up doing the firmware upgrade to make it 5,1? Just curious because I have the same macpro you do and I was wondering if it was even worth it. Thanks!

I've not done the update yet as I'm trying to find the best price for 2 E564x or X565x chips (don't want to go above 95w)
Best I can do so far is $496 each, so I'm still looking.
Going from an 8 core to a 12 core is worth it if you are looking for a 30+% boost in total throughput, I reckon.
Depends on the work your Mac Pro has to do.
My 2.26 gHz 8 core (4,1 now 5,1!) hits 13,900 using Geekbench.
Even at 2.4 gHz, I believe the Geekbench score will be around 19,000 or perhaps a bit more depending on the chips I wind up with.
From all I've read, upgrading memory from the 1066 speed, just isn't worth the $.
More when I find some reasonable chips...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aardWolf on May 25, 2012, 10:34:17 PM
Hi,

I have a 2009 2.66 quad Mac Pro, I did the firmware update with no issues, thanks  :)
I bought a W3680 off eBay, but when I installed it I get a Kernel Panic.
The error message says that the CPU is unresponsive anyone else had this issue?

I suspect the CPU is defective but I'm wondering if there is any way to test it before I go back to the eBay seller for a refund.

Thanks  :)

I have a 2009 2.66 quad Mac Pro too, and am on the new firmware.  I've ordered a new in box W3680 from NewEgg (~$600), so I'll report back here after I get it.  I also bought 12GB of 1333Mhz RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB video card.

Don't judge me... my boss paid for it.  :-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ziberia on May 29, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Another success from Spain!

W3680, 16Gb 1333 Kingston RAM, Crucial M4, ATI 5670.

Donation made. Thank you ever so much.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aardWolf on May 30, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
The video card came in today, and the CPU and RAM come in tomorrow.  Unfortunately the video card needs external power, and I had to order special cables to connect it to my 2009 Mac Pro.

Luckily, someone else had already done it before... so I can feel safe that I ordered the right cables.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1127583


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aardWolf on May 31, 2012, 09:19:35 PM
I'm two for two!  I didn't have the necessary hex screwdriver (or thermal paste) to replace the CPU, so I'm going to have to wait.  Unfortunately I'm also on vacation next week, so I won't be able to do it until I get back.

At least I can't screw up the RAM that's coming in tomorrow.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aardWolf on June 11, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
I just got back from vacation, and installed the new W3680 six-core CPU.  Worked the first time...  The only thing I'm seeing not working quite right is that it sees my 1333Mhz RAM as 1066Mhz.

Here are the benchmarks:
8477 = Mac Pro (Early 2009) Intel Xeon W3520, 6GB RAM
8496 = MacPro5,1, Intel Xeon W3520, 12GB RAM (1333Mhz running at 1066Mhz)
8556 = MacPro5,1, Intel Xeon W3520, 12GB RAM (1333Mhz running at 1066Mhz), AMD Radeon HD6870
13820 = Mac Pro (Mid 2010), Intel Xeon W3680, 12GB RAM (1333Mhz running at 1066Mhz), AMD Radeon HD6870
13943 = Mac Pro (Mid 2010), Intel Xeon W3680, 12GB RAM (1333Mhz running at 1333Mhz), AMD Radeon HD6870

So, I'm seeing a 63% performance improvement with all of the upgrades.  Almost all of that came from the Processor.  I'll post another benchmark if I can get it to use the RAM at 1333Mhz instead of 1066Mhz.

Edit: All it took was a PRAM reset, and the system is seeing the 1333Mhz RAM.  Unfortunately, it raised the performance by less than 1%.  ;-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: subfly on June 18, 2012, 12:37:11 AM
One quirk that I have noticed is this: running any one of Apple's hardware tests - AHT, ASD EFI, and ASD OS - show a video controller error (4VDC/3/40000003) after modding to the 2010 EFI. Switching back to original CPU and EFI gets rid of the error. Hmmm...

I also see this quirk, but unfortunately I have other big problems.
After reporting the upgrade worked well a few months ago, with no hitches afterwards, on Thursday the Mac just stopped booting. It starts and the bar fills up to about 15% of its length and I hear the HD winding down and after a few seconds the Mac shuts himself down.

Easy, I thought, I'll boot with the SL DVD and reinstall. No way, it just stops on the grey screen with the Apple in the center (I tried waiting 30 minutes it is just not doing anything). I put it in target mode, and tried to install from a MacBook, the machine freezes after some time through the installation procedure. I might be a bad DVD, but I see no scratches or else.

I tried booting from the RAID holding the Time machine backup, it does not see it either in SATA (through a card, might be not active in these conditions) nor in USB connection.

Finally, I found it boots from the bootcamp partition with Win XP, but this just demonstrates the machine is ok, I think I cannot do anything to the Mac HDs from it, right?

While in target mode I checked the boot disk (an SSD) and Disk Utility says "it needs repair, try to save your stuff and reinstall". I'd do it if I could boot from the DVD... I copied most of the stuff, but some cannot be copied due to an error. It's probably where there the errors are (I did not copy the system stuff, I assume I have to reinstall it anyway, and probably there would be more errors there).

Finally, I tried the diagnostics, and I found the error above, but also some other funny data from the Hardware profile screen: It thinks it has 8 cores, with 2MB L2 and 12MB l3 cache. Being an Hexa, quite funny...

Any idea on how to get out of this situation? Can I install the system from another machine and then try to boot from it or must it be installed from teh target machine (I guess so). Should I revert to 4.1 (how?) and install the old processor?

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: zforce on June 23, 2012, 11:25:38 AM
Hi,

I did the upgrade on my single socket and it worked, I decided to purchase a new dual socket 2009 board to replace the single socket. At first I thought I had to do an Firmware upgrade once the new board was added, however when I installed the dual socket board with the old chip (w3680) I noted that the system info shows it as the 5,1 version and when I tried to upgrade it only gave me an option to downgrade. So I thought great, don't have to do anything, so I added in the hex cores x5690 and x5680, no boot.

As such, do you think I have to add the single socket and downgrade then add the new dual socekt board and then do the firmware upgrade?



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 23, 2012, 02:52:39 PM
You can´t mix different CPU´s...Why don´t buying a 2010 board when you were on the case replacing the old one ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: zforce on June 23, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
REally, you can't mismatch cpus? Is there any reason why you are unable to mismatch cpus because my main computer is a dual socket evga sr2/windows and I am able to mismatch cpus and ram. But yeah, the reason for the 2009 dual socket is that I received a great deal, heatsinks and board for around 350 bucks.

I'll try to tun just one of the cpus and see what happens from there.


Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: zforce on June 23, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
Well, I removed the one cpu and still no boot, I guess I will have to try to downgrade firmware the old board install the new dual socket board and then upgrade the firmware.

Best regards


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on June 24, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
To me Firmware is equal to BIOS...?
I can´t be wrong though...but my guess is that the firmware is in the Logic board...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: diskerror on June 27, 2012, 02:28:05 AM
MacEFIRom, thank you for this! My single processor 4.1 is now a 5.1, no problem.

The best hex-core choices for upgrading my 2.66 quad are W3670, W3680, or W3690. Correct?

The only difference I could see between a W3690 and an X5690 is that the 56 has two QPI interconnects... and the 36 is a thousand dollars less. General question: Is the 56 series required for doing dual processors? Can one be used and a second added later?

Thanks again!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: JoleFIN on July 01, 2012, 07:09:27 PM
Now that the 2012 version are out, do you think it would be possible to upgrade 2009 & 2010 Mac Pros to the "2012 model"? If I'm not mistaking, the hardware is still pretty much the same, 1333mhz memory etc.? Only some new processors on the line :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rappp on July 02, 2012, 01:02:56 PM
I'm about to make the update from 4core 2.93 to 6core 3.46 is it necessary to use washers on the heat sink screws? Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ezmac on July 02, 2012, 05:27:12 PM
I've a MP1,1  generic 8800GT. It works fine: My Only goal is run Mountain Lion. I don't want to change processors because they cost near a macmini server !!

Any idea =


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mwarchut on July 08, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
I downloaded this really cool app but I can't get it to run.  It says I need internet access.  I have internet access.  Dedicated internet from Comcast.   Is there something I need to do to get it working?



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rappp on July 09, 2012, 01:20:14 PM
Do you have little snotch running maybe.

I just run the app on my 4x2.93 and installed a 6x3.46 and it booted fine and has been running without a hitch for the past 10 hours.

This tower has been endless problems since I got it the fans would randomly kick in at full speed and when I was installing the new CPU I noticed that it had Soo much thermal compound on it I think it wasnt allowing good contact with the fan and sensors.

Awesome.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mwarchut on July 14, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
Nope.. I have nothing running like that...  Kind of odd..  Unless the Cisco VPN is messing with it or something.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: talk2phil on July 18, 2012, 11:44:38 PM
Hi,

I am a rookie with a new MacPro Dual Westmere@ 2,4 delivered with Lion... How can I get it to work with Snow Leopard or Leopard (as originally delivered with as mid 2010) in a simple way?

With all my thanks,

Philippa


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: diskerror on July 22, 2012, 03:23:23 AM
All is good!!

I bit the bullet and upgraded to 3.33 hex core... and I'm typing at that new system!!

To recap, I have a Late 2009 MacPro4,1 with a quad-core running at 2.66GHz and 6gig of RAM. The firmware updater from the beginning of this thread worked perfectly and the model identifier now reads "MacPro5,1". I went ahead and bought a W3680 which is six-cores running at 3.33GHz from NewEgg.com for $620. They also had a package of three 8gig RAM modules for $200 so upgraded that too. The 3.4GHz W3690 didn't seem to be worth the extra $400. I've never seen RAM that nicely priced.

A pleasant surprise is that the W3680 doesn't have pins. It has pads. Disconcerting, as all the other things I'd read were about installing a new processor in a MacPro were with them having pins. Also, this processor seemed to be the same thickness as the original (W3520). No need for for spacers. I put the heat sink back on in the same way as it was originally. Of course, YMMV.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pers1 on July 23, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Just installed OWC 1333 mhz ram on my after updating to 5.1 :

Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU X5570)
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   8 MB
  Memory:   48 GB (48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC, but they are 1333mhz from OWC))
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5



But it shows the ram as 1066, I`ve smc and reset the PRAM

please advise

PerS


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tomatomic on July 28, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
hey all.

this may be a strange request, but im looking for someone in the Los Angeles area to help me do some research on hackintosh or mac pro 4,1-5,1 upgrades for my 3d render farm and workstations.

this is a paying gig.

the processor prices seem to be prohibitive to get bang for the buck in pure 3d render farm power, but perhaps a hackintosh solution would be wise. It would be best if i could build these machines for 1U rackmount cases for more efficient use of space, and im also looking for stable options for my 12 workstations - all 4,1 2.26 8 cores. perhaps selling them and replacing them with used 4 core mac pros upgraded to the most cost effective 6 cores.

if anyone is interested, i will pay for this RND, and perhaps i will implement them in my office.

please send me a private message, and we can discuss this further.

cheers...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: coffeysm on August 02, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
I just updated my firmware from 4,1 to 5,1 and I am also running Mountain Lion with no issues that I can tell.  It still displays my system as Early 2009, but I'm not really to concerned about that.  I was wondering if anyone ever found a solution to using the 2010 processor trays in our 2009 models with the fans running at maximum speed?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xav8tor on August 05, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
I just updated my 4.1 to 5.1 but Mountain Lion also still shows 4.1.  Are you sure the upgrade worked?  I'm not in my case!  Not gonna blow 600 to a grand on a nonreturnable CPU for nothing!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: diskerror on August 05, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
I believe your RnD has been done in this thread for one of your options. The firmware update seems to work for most of the 4.1 machines. I understand that the W3670/80/90 won't address more than 24gig RAM and the X5670/80/90 can address much more. I see that other are getting the X5600s to work in their upgraded system but I don't know if the X5600s are required for dual processor systems.

If I were you I'd upgrade the firmware on all the machines. All that costs is your time. If you don't need additional RAM I'd just upgrade one render system with two W3680s (see my earlier post for my reasoning) at a cost of about $1400 per render box. If that works then upgrade all the others. If it looks like it requires the X5680 for dual processors--with the upgrading costing about $3k per box--or if you need more than 24gig RAM then do that. Hire a technician if you're not comfortable with handling delicate and expensive computer parts. I managed to do it by following a couple of guides I found by googling.

I used to be a professional movie sound editor, but now I just dabble with the technology. With the current technology and prices my favorite system for Final Cut editing would be to use a MacBookPro with Retina display and a Hacintosh (or several) for the renderer. I think Apple should terminate the MacPro platform and make all their rendering software open sourced. Pro users can probably maintain better system than Apple.


hey all.

this may be a strange request, but im looking for someone in the Los Angeles area to help me do some research on hackintosh or mac pro 4,1-5,1 upgrades for my 3d render farm and workstations.

this is a paying gig.

the processor prices seem to be prohibitive to get bang for the buck in pure 3d render farm power, but perhaps a hackintosh solution would be wise. It would be best if i could build these machines for 1U rackmount cases for more efficient use of space, and im also looking for stable options for my 12 workstations - all 4,1 2.26 8 cores. perhaps selling them and replacing them with used 4 core mac pros upgraded to the most cost effective 6 cores.

if anyone is interested, i will pay for this RND, and perhaps i will implement them in my office.

please send me a private message, and we can discuss this further.

cheers...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: diskerror on August 05, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
I'm about to make the update from 4core 2.93 to 6core 3.46 is it necessary to use washers on the heat sink screws? Thanks

It wasn't necessary on my 4.1 to 5.1 upgrade to W3680.


Title: Install DVD issue
Post by: fuzzo on August 06, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
Hey I've upgraded my MP 2009 without any problems a few months ago (see my earlier posts). Everything running fine.

Since the "new" 5.1 won't accept its original install DVD any more, I ordered a retail 2010 snow Leopard DVD from the store and figured all would be fine.
Well it isn't: I cab choose the DVD as stratup disk, but the thing keeps hanging at the grey apple screen with no progress whatsoever.
I couldn't find any reference earlier in this giant thread than "one would need later install disks" - which is what I have.

 ???

Thanks a ton for any suggestion/hints.


Title: Re: Install DVD issue
Post by: HCMarkus on August 11, 2012, 03:56:52 AM
Hey I've upgraded my MP 2009 without any problems a few months ago (see my earlier posts). Everything running fine.

Since the "new" 5.1 won't accept its original install DVD any more, I ordered a retail 2010 snow Leopard DVD from the store and figured all would be fine.
Well it isn't: I cab choose the DVD as stratup disk, but the thing keeps hanging at the grey apple screen with no progress whatsoever.
I couldn't find any reference earlier in this giant thread than "one would need later install disks" - which is what I have.

 ???

Thanks a ton for any suggestion/hints.

Since the 5.1 was introduced after SL had already been upgraded to 10.6.x (not sure exactly which version - .4, .5, or .6, I think), it won't allow you to boot from the SL DVD.  You need a DVD from a 5,1 series Mac.  Or you can create a SL system disc on an older Mac, upgrade to 10.6.8, and stick it in your "new" 5,1. Or you can go with Lion or ML.

If you have a working 10.6.8 system disc, clone it and store for safekeeping.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on August 11, 2012, 06:34:55 AM
The software requirements for the Mac Pro 5,1 are:

SOFTWARE

Original OS   Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F2521, 10F2554)
Later OS   Mac OS X 10.7 (11A511a), 10.7.2 (11C74), 10.7.3 (11D2001)
Maximum OS   Latest release of OS X
AirDrop   Supported
Hardware Test   AHT 3A207
Bundled Software   iLife ’09 (includes iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, and GarageBand)
FIRMWARE

Firmware   Intel Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI)
Firmware Update   Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.5

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fuzzo on August 11, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
oh damn. thanks for the input! guess i'll just harrass some colleague to install a clean 10.6.x on a small external HD for me. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: eddymarshall0303 on August 20, 2012, 10:33:04 AM
Hi everybody !

A big thanks to the community and to MACEFIROM !

I have a mac pro nehalem 2*2,26 Octo from 2009 working perfectly.
I did last week-end the upgrade with two x5675s bought on ebay.

Everything went good, if you are very carefull there is few risk to damage the board.

As recommended I used two washers (1mm thick each), silicon pad, silverkit.

At first the mac pro blocked after the grey screen with the logo, It was showing a Kernel error.
After reading all the text carefully I noticed the word "parallels". In fact I had Parallel Desktop 5 installed and you need a patch to make it compatible with westmere processors. If not I doesn't start.
After erasing parallels it worked perfectly.

I ran my 3d application ( thats my job ) and started rendering a complex scene the temperature went up a little bit higher than usual but stayed correct. The temperature is 40°c in France so I wait to be back in normal temperature to have a closer look.

That's a cool upgrade... Thanks !!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DLX55 on August 20, 2012, 02:33:35 PM
I used the Upgrade Utility on my Mac Pro (4,1) 2,66Ghz.

The only thing that has changed is the Model Identifier. It's now 5,1.
But it still says Mac Pro early 2009.
If I try to use the EFI Firmware Update 1.5 (for 2010 Mac Pro) from Apple it says "Not supported on this system".
If it would recognise it correctly it would say "Not needed".

So I guess Apple is blocking the upgrade now on Mountain Lion.

I was hoping to buy an ATI 5770 from Apple because I can't afford a 5870 (which is the only card fully compatible with 2009 Mac Pro's)

Sad  :(


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Firechild on August 20, 2012, 03:14:08 PM
Well, I think it worked for you, otherwise it will not tell 5,1. And Mac Pro early 2009 is taken from the serial number, not firmware so...congratulations !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DLX55 on August 20, 2012, 03:47:16 PM
Thanks for the reply Firechild.

So the only thing I need to have is the new Boot ROM Version.
If it's the MP51 the Mac Pro will act exactly like a 2010 Mac Pro?

Because I know that the ATI 5770 has issues with the fan speed and some other stuff
on 2009 Mac Pro's.

Oh...and I guess a full change of the "About my Mac" info is not possible?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: akira9000 on August 24, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
Another success here!
Gone from a single cpu 4,1 single CPU 2.66Ghz to 5,1 no issues. Everything looks good.

Now to find a hex core at a decent price.

Cheers, donation on the way.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: langer on August 27, 2012, 09:52:22 AM
Such a brilliant invention!

I'm thinking about getting a 2009 octo 2.26 and applying this patch and then upgrading the CPUs. If anybody could help it'd be much appreciated.

Does anybody know if pretty much any mixed pair of x56** Xeons would work in a 2009 Mac Pro dual core upgrade (after the 2010 fix is applied)? (Potential heat issues aside)

Do they have to be mixed pairs?

There are some interesting looking ones on eBay, but some are listed as HP, like these -
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HP-BL460C-G6-XEON-CPU-KIT-X5650-585-83-EX-VAT-2-66GHz-6C-595727-B21-BULK-KIT-/370564982938?pt=UK_Computing_Servers&hash=item564764e89a#ht_4197wt_1165&clk_rvr_id=380220635097 (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HP-BL460C-G6-XEON-CPU-KIT-X5650-585-83-EX-VAT-2-66GHz-6C-595727-B21-BULK-KIT-/370564982938?pt=UK_Computing_Servers&hash=item564764e89a#ht_4197wt_1165&clk_rvr_id=380220635097)

Would that make any difference? Or have they just come out of (or gone into) a HP and they're no different?

I have seen some other eBay shops with X5650s cheap, but then the eBay auction said not for Intel boards-
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-2-66GHz-12MB-LGA-1366-Hex-Core-32nm-95W-Q3QN-/261086829191?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc9fcda87#ht_1491wt_1165 (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-2-66GHz-12MB-LGA-1366-Hex-Core-32nm-95W-Q3QN-/261086829191?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc9fcda87#ht_1491wt_1165)

I guess I'm asking is there any stepping number, chip type or anything else I should be looking for, or could somebody point me in the right direction so that I don't buy two CPUs only for use with Asus boards? Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: akira9000 on September 01, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
Another success here!
Gone from a single cpu 4,1 single CPU 2.66Ghz to 5,1 no issues. Everything looks good.

Now to find a hex core at a decent price.

Just an update:
Fitted an official Apple 5770 and swapped out the CPU this morning to a 3.2Ghz w3565 and everything is rock solid. Those hex core still a bit on the high side here in the UK - would rather wait and pick up a 2009 dual cpu on ebay at the right price and do a double 3.2 upgrade than put £400 onto just a single 6 core cpu. Picked up my w3565 for just £83 on ebay which was a big surprise.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: langer on September 02, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
Another success here!
Gone from a single cpu 4,1 single CPU 2.66Ghz to 5,1 no issues. Everything looks good.

Now to find a hex core at a decent price.

Just an update:
Fitted an official Apple 5770 and swapped out the CPU this morning to a 3.2Ghz w3565 and everything is rock solid. Those hex core still a bit on the high side here in the UK - would rather wait and pick up a 2009 dual cpu on ebay at the right price and do a double 3.2 upgrade than put £400 onto just a single 6 core cpu. Picked up my w3565 for just £83 on ebay which was a big surprise.


That's exactly the dilemma I had, in the end got an 8-core 2.26 off eBay for a good price and will hopefully do a dual hex core replacement...if I ever get a reply to the above ;) Looking to get the CPUs in Europe too.

Congrats on your 'new' Mac Pro!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: PTuser on September 02, 2012, 11:49:36 PM
does this mean my 2007 8 core 2,1 can be turned into a 2010 8 core 5,1 with this app?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on September 03, 2012, 05:34:56 AM
^^^^No, but you can turn it into a fish tank ???

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mwarchut on September 07, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
So still I cannot get this to run on my 2009 4,1 Mac Pro.  It still thinks it is not connected to the internet.  Is there some site that connectivity to is tested?  Maybe my provider blocks it or something.. Or is this connectivity tested another way?




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Spacedust on September 22, 2012, 01:02:25 PM
Just tried and it works. I've ordered 48 GB RAM 1333 MHz to make sure it works with faster memory.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aleksialku on September 23, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
I'd worship someone (as a god) who could get an EFI32 2,1 upgrade to EFI64 3,1 working with no problems!

Does anyone know if this is even remotely possible and if it is, is there any chance of such a thing happening?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: armdn on September 24, 2012, 05:13:10 AM
I'd worship someone (as a god) who could get an EFI32 2,1 upgrade to EFI64 3,1 working with no problems!

Does anyone know if this is even remotely possible and if it is, is there any chance of such a thing happening?

No, it is not possible. More likely possible to make an upgrade of SMC to support Intel Xeon 5400 series than making 64-bit EFI.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: THill999 on September 25, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
Just installed OWC 1333 mhz ram on my after updating to 5.1 :

Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU X5570)
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   8 MB
  Memory:   48 GB (48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC, but they are 1333mhz from OWC))
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5



But it shows the ram as 1066, I`ve smc and reset the PRAM

please advise

PerS



Currently upgrading my 2009 8-core 4,1 to a 5,1 using the firmware tool, and want to upgrade RAM as well... does the update actually allow the system to take advantage of the 1333mhz or should I just buy the 1066mhz? Thanks!

THill999



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: NickLambert on September 25, 2012, 05:47:04 PM
Just installed OWC 1333 mhz ram on my after updating to 5.1 :

Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU X5570)
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   8 MB
  Memory:   48 GB (48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC, but they are 1333mhz from OWC))
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5

But it shows the ram as 1066, I`ve smc and reset the PRAM
please advise

PerS
Currently upgrading my 2009 8-core 4,1 to a 5,1 using the firmware tool, and want to upgrade RAM as well... does the update actually allow the system to take advantage of the 1333mhz or should I just buy the 1066mhz? Thanks!
THill999

  It's the CPU that decides the RAM speed, so until a Westmere is put in it will stay at 1066. I'm sure that's right, my 4.1 is a 5.1 with westmere's and new 1333 RAM runs at 1333.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: THill999 on September 25, 2012, 06:01:41 PM

[/quote]

  It's the CPU that decides the RAM speed, so until a Westmere is put in it will stay at 1066. I'm sure that's right, my 4.1 is a 5.1 with westmere's and new 1333 RAM runs at 1333.
[/quote]


Okay cool, so if I'm using the 2 x 2.26 Quad Nehalem CPU's, then 1066mhz is it. Thanks!

Maximum amount of RAM supported.. 96GB?




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Spacedust on October 05, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
I got dual X5570 2.93 GHz + 48 GB RAM Micron PC3-10600 1333 MHz and even after resetting PRAM is still got only 1066 MHz.

However Intel is telling it should work with 1333 MHz memory on max speed.

http://ark.intel.com/products/37111/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5570-8M-Cache-2_93-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 08, 2012, 09:46:07 AM
IMPORTANT: If you have updated your 4.1 Mac Pro to a 5.1 using this utility, DO NOT install the Mac-OS 10.8.2 supplemental update. I just did and my machine refuses to boot.

After installing, I got the grey startup screen. The dark grey apple appeared, together with a spinner and a progress bar. I assume it's installing an EFI update here. When the progress bar reaches about 10%, the machine just switches off. No known key combination prevents this EFI update.

Fortunately the machine is NOT bricked; I just discovered it still boots Windows after I have pulled the SSD containing Mac OS. But I don't see how I can use this SSD again, because the moment it is plugged in, the machine will retry to install this update. It's one of those OWC Accelsior PCIe SSDs, so hot-plugging it after boot is not an option. And I don't have a PC with a PCIe slot to wipe it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 08, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
The presence of an EFI updater on the startup disk seems to disable the 'hold option to select boot disk'-function at startup. Unfortunately I don't know where exactly the update is hidden. If anybody knows, please tell me. Knowing where it is, I could just remove it and move on.

It seems to reside in the file system on startup partition, even though I would be surprised if they had a complete HFS+ implementation in EFI. The reason I think it's there anyway, is because I have made an image file of my boot partition, wiped the whole drive, using the Linux dd command, and restored the partition image back in a new partition: Again the updater showed up. Only after booting my machine without SSD card in Bootcamp Windows a couple of times, it allowed me to select an alternative boot disk with the SSD card installed again.

I don't know if the problem is due to the 4.1 to 5.1 update, or due to my X5660 processors not being used in any Mac Pro and hence perhaps not being supported.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 08, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
Ok, I should have re-read the opening post (long time ago, but no excuse: a duhuh is still in place):

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So that's where the EFI updater is. Currently my machine is restoring from my time capsule for the next 12 hours(!). But when it's finished, I will mount the image of my startup disk I made earlier and check what's in the '/System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates'-folder.

@MacEFIRom: Drop in anytime you want!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 09, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
But when it's finished, I will mount the image of my startup disk I made earlier and check what's in the '/System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates'-folder.
It's empty; On both my restored working SSD and the failing image I made of the SSD when it had this problem. I'm out of ideas now.

Later - when I have time, I will restore the image back to an old hard disk to experiment a bit further on a failing system.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Spacedust on October 10, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
It takes much longer (about 30-40 seconds) to see boot drives icons when I press ALT with Areca RAID card. On older firmware it was much faster just a few seconds.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: motoboulododo on October 11, 2012, 12:30:55 AM
Just to say, I successfully upgraded my refurbished 2009 4.1 MacPro to a 5.1 MacPro.
The older EFI was MP41.0081.B08, it is now MP51.007F.B03 .

This upgrading thing is due to a very unpleasant statement :
my early 2011 4-core i7 2.3ghz MacBook Pro 16Gb ram is (was) faster than my 2009 MacPro... ouch.
So I decided to make some upgrades, especially for video editing in FULL HD (luckily I'm not doing any 2k or 4k... yet),
because I don't like to use my MacBook Pro when I'm working at home.

I'm planning to buy a W3690, which apparently would be the most powerful alternative to fit my 2.66ghz Quad
(anyone can confirm?)

This is part of a whole "ram + graphic card + SSD + CPU" thing.

Had a 4.1 Quad 2.66ghz 2009 MacPro / 10Gb Ram / GeForce GT120 512Mb
Now  a 5.1 Quad 2.66ghz 2009(2010?) MacPro / 32Gb Ram / ATI Radeon HD5780
Soon a 5.1 Hex 3.43ghz 2010 MacPro / 32Gb Ram / GeForce GTX570 (already ordered it from MacVideoCards).

The shame is didn't really take the time to make any bench or note down render time in After Effect or Premiere...
So I won't be able to tell exactly how much it's going to improve, but I think I'll be able to feel it.

But the 10Gb to 32Gb helped a lot already for Premiere (not really for After Effects, weird),
and the Radeon HD5780 with the OpenCL.txt hack in Premiere is far better.

I think it's not that pricey for what I think is going to be a nice performance jump.
The only little problem would be that I ordered 1066mhz 32Gb ram BEFORE i knew that I could turn my 4.1 MP into a 5.1 MP...
But I guess that won't make a huge difference, or would it?

And as soon as I'm perfectly sure that all is working properly, I'm going to sell my old 10GB RAM, Radeon 5780 Graphic Card (Official One) and Quad 2.66Ghz CPU.
Can get a bit of cash out of that... so might be even cheaper than I thought...

So 3 questions :
-is W3690 the best choice regarding performance.
-would someone advice me a nice benchmark software so I can easily tell exactly what kind of improvements we are talking?
-a bit late to ask this, but what about the updates?
I guess software updates are OK, like if I want to upgrade to 10.8 is it going to be flawless?

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 11, 2012, 09:02:40 AM
Did you - or anybody else - successfully install the Mac OS-X 10.8.2 Supplementals update on your 5,1 updated 4,1?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: motoboulododo on October 11, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
I'm still on 10.7.4 at the moment and was wondering about 10.8.2


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 11, 2012, 09:51:08 AM
I did the 4,1 to 5,1 upgrade a year ago and it worked flawlessly. I also replaced the two E5520 processors with two X5660 processors at that time. This setup has served me well for the past year. I have always been quick to install Mac-OS updates, and none have been a problem. Except for 10.8.2 Supplemental update.

I think 10.8.2 Supplemental contains an EFI update. Apple even mentions a fix for >64GiB RAM on Mac Pros, presumably as an EFI update. Unfortunately this update fails and prevents to boot my machine.

On the other hand, it's not really that unfortunate: If it had succeeded updating my EFI to an updated 4,1 version, my machine would have been bricked because it would no longer support its processors. And no longer having the old processors around would mean I'd have to obtain some in order to unbrick it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: motoboulododo on October 11, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
so what did  you do?
Is your MacPro still working?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 11, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
so what did  you do?
Is your MacPro still working?
Yes, it is. But it stopped booting after installing the 10.8.2 Supplemental update. After installing, it rebooted as required, but before booting it was showing a progress bar in the grey screen. And at about 10%, the machine shut down. After switching it on, the same thing happened. It didn't even allow me to select an alternative boot disk, so I figured it was bricked.

But after pulling OWC Accelsior PCIe SSD I use as a boot disk, the machine booted in Windows from my bootcamp partition. Wiping the SSD and restoring from my time machine got me a working machine again, but now I've got an update I can't install.

I'm curious about other experiences with this update. I wonder if the problem occurs on all 4,1 to 5,1 updaters, just to people with similar processors, or just me.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: motoboulododo on October 12, 2012, 09:46:22 PM
Sorry MindBender (not for me), but Mountain Lion did update flawlessly to 8.2 with the supplemental update.

May be it has to do with this "Addresses an issue that may prevent systems with more than 64 GB of RAM from starting up".

Technically mine doesn't support more than 64GB (I think up to 48GB, it's a 2009 4x2.66ghz) and I got "only" 32GB on it.
So may be on systems with 8 ram slots (like yours?), it's acting weird, because it's changing something in the EFI.

But mine is very fine.
I did order a W3690, we'll see if it's still works flawlessly.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: metrico on October 13, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Thank you Paul!

You are awesome!

Successfully installed a Xeon 3.46 Hexcore CPU (from eBay under $600) in my early 4,1 now a 5,1. Geekbench score went from 8400 to almost 15000, with OWC Accelsior PCI Flash drive. Easily giving my MacPro another couple of years + of life.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on October 21, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
I have a 4,1 single processor Mac Pro which I successfully upgraded to 5,1. I replaced the low-speed 4-core processor with the W3680 3.33 hex processor and all is well! Geekbench close to 15k!

No problem at all with 10.8.2. But now I'm worried about upgrading my 4,1 2.26 dual processor machine to X5570's and 10.8.2. Already ordered a new matched pair of X5570's for $600 to do it. Any word on what went wrong with the 10.8 to 10.8.2 upgrade in that machine? Is it definitely an EFI upgrade issue?

I also would like further guidance on how to install the thermal pads and the washers: what size square for the 5 mm pads? Where exactly do the washers go? Do I put paste on the pads?  Why do I need the new screwdriver and how do I use it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 25, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
I have a 4,1 single processor Mac Pro which I successfully upgraded to 5,1. I replaced the low-speed 4-core processor with the W3680 3.33 hex processor and all is well! Geekbench close to 15k!
Is the W3680 standard issued in a Mac Pro 4,1? Or in a 5,1?
Quote
No problem at all with 10.8.2. But now I'm worried about upgrading my 4,1 2.26 dual processor machine to X5570's and 10.8.2. Already ordered a new matched pair of X5570's for $600 to do it. Any word on what went wrong with the 10.8 to 10.8.2 upgrade in that machine? Is it definitely an EFI upgrade issue?
Can you check what EFI and SMC firmware version you are running on that machine now?
Quote
I also would like further guidance on how to install the thermal pads and the washers: what size square for the 5 mm pads? Where exactly do the washers go? Do I put paste on the pads?  Why do I need the new screwdriver and how do I use it?
The pads are long and rectangular and are used for the voltage regulators, not for the processors. The washers go on the bolds, under the heatsink, to prevent the heatsink to push down on your processors to hard: You new processors have IHS, while the originals did not. The washers compensate the height difference. Don't put paste on these thick silicon thermal pads. The screwdriver you need is a Torx, with a long stem, so it will fit the long narrow holes in your heatsink, to reach the bolts holding it in place.

You're confusing me a bit now: You said you've already updated a single socket Mac Pro 4,1. Why al these questions then? Most of this is already described way earlier in the thread. Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: motoboulododo on October 26, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
Succesfully replaced my Quad 2,66Ghz by an Hexa 3,43Ghz.
Works like a charm!

Thaaaanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Netkasdev on November 01, 2012, 02:20:00 PM
IMPORTANT: If you have updated your 4.1 Mac Pro to a 5.1 using this utility, DO NOT install the Mac-OS 10.8.2 supplemental update. I just did and my machine refuses to boot.

After installing, I got the grey startup screen. The dark grey apple appeared, together with a spinner and a progress bar. I assume it's installing an EFI update here. When the progress bar reaches about 10%, the machine just switches off. No known key combination prevents this EFI update.

Fortunately the machine is NOT bricked; I just discovered it still boots Windows after I have pulled the SSD containing Mac OS. But I don't see how I can use this SSD again, because the moment it is plugged in, the machine will retry to install this update. It's one of those OWC Accelsior PCIe SSDs, so hot-plugging it after boot is not an option. And I don't have a PC with a PCIe slot to wipe it.

Hey MindBender, wanted to post that I had the same experience as you. After updating and restarting the Mac Pro, I went through the infinite EFI update loop. I ended up having to reinstall OSX on a clean drive and it booted up fine (with the new firmware settings in place). When updating to Mountain Lion, I didn't do a clean install so I wonder if that may have contributed to it. In any case, the Mac Pro booted up using the new firmware after I reinstalled OSX and after logging in, i can reformat the old hard drive. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on November 04, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
A small update:
My Mac has been nagging on about the feared 10.8.2 for weeks now, and I've been denying it this update equally long.
I rarely reboot my machine, but if I do it's usually related to USB problems under Parallels. And today was one of these reboot day. To my surprise, the machine was trying up run the same update again, while I specifically denied this update over and over again. It took a long time, and all fans were running full-speed, but after minutes of waiting in fear, it made some progress beyond the 10% at which it used to shut down before. It progressed all the way to 99%, and this last 1% also took minutes, but after that, the login screen appeared!

So now my to 5,1 updated Mac Pro 4,1 is running 10.8.2 successfully. According to System Profiler it's running:
Boot ROM Version:         MP51.007F.B03
SMC Version (system):         1.39f5
SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5
I wish I wrote down these versions before the update, but I kind'a gave up on that already.

So my machine is still a Mac Pro 5,1 and my processors are still supported. And this all happened with my 480GiB OWC Accelsior PCIe SSD card as a boot disk. So the exact cause of previous failure is beyond me, but I have decided not to question my good luck in this case ;-).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: deeloco on November 06, 2012, 07:06:42 PM
Yep works perfectly on my MacPro 1.1 ! Also the upgraded CPU was correctly identified now.  ;D

Are there other advantages for me ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: yurizoli on November 09, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
GoGoGo!

Roger from Italy... upgrade process done.
New 5,1 is born!
Now I'm still looking for a new CPU.

Yuri

PS. Best place (in internet) to buy a Xeon W3680?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pixluser on November 10, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
one more 5.1 woow !
My 2 x 2,6 computer is still good, but do you know which processor upgrade is the best in term of speed/money.
Thanks !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: uwfotoguy on November 11, 2012, 08:51:32 AM
Tried to run the utility and get the message "Application quit unexpectedly".

Im running 10.5.8 with specs below:
  Model Name:                   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:           MacPro4,1
  Processor Name:           Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:           2.66 GHz
  Number Of Processors:   1
  Total Number Of Cores:   4
  L2 Cache (per core):           256 KB
  L3 Cache:                           8 MB
  Memory:                           16 GB
  Processor Speed:           4.8 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:           MP41.0081.B07

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120:

  Chipset Model:       NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
  Type:               Display
  Bus:               PCIe
  Slot:               Slot-1
  PCIe Lane Width:   x16
  VRAM (Total):       512 MB
  Vendor:               NVIDIA (0x10de)
  Device ID:       0x0640
  Revision ID:       0x00a1
  ROM Revision:       3386

Would like to upgrade to a W3680. I noticed from reading the post that there has been an issue with the GT120 keeping up with the speed. What would be the best video card for this setup? Also a RAID Card to get the SATA III speeds?

Tanks,
Tom


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rueyloonsupermacpro123 on November 15, 2012, 01:22:11 AM
There is little on upgrading a 2009 macpro dual processor. So I'm going to add to the knowledge bowl with my
$600 lesson

As we all know the 2009 dual processor requires a chip with non IHS,
I fried 2 processor trying to remove it. On the W3570 the chip is soldered to the
IHS. If you still want to remove it, I suggest cutting just a little bit off the sealant on the
side, and do the 4 blade + heat method. Once the solder is melted, the sealant don't really
have much of a holding strength on the chip and it should pop off like the videos.

I'm probably going for broke and try a W3690 next, but the seller said they are not for dual processor board ?
what chips are supported on the 2009 macpro upgrade to 5.1 ? for dual processor ?

I'll just use washers and some thermal heat pads to make up for the difference in height. The only
thing I managed to learn is that I measured the difference in height to be about 1.7 mm with a calliper.

rgs and good luck.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rueyloonsupermacpro123 on November 15, 2012, 02:56:34 AM
wish I came across this earlier,
this is a must read for 2009 dual processor people who wants to upgrade.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=781908


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cococheaf on November 22, 2012, 02:20:31 PM
Hi there,

I did install the patch (4,1 to5,1) but have a few questions about eventual upcoming updates...
Will i run into any problems if there will be a new EFI-Update for the 5,1 MP?
Or am i able to update the new efi (if there will be one) ootb?

Brgds. coco


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: etc on December 04, 2012, 08:02:08 AM
Is there any updates of MacPro3,1 firmware? It seems mine is too old and not compatible with Multi-GPU cards like GTX 690 :(


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on December 04, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
The latest firmware for a Mac Pro 3,1 is 1.3, available here:

http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_Pro_EFI_Firmware_Update_1_3

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: etc on December 04, 2012, 05:26:39 PM
The latest firmware for a Mac Pro 3,1 is 1.3, available here:
Already installed. I'm so sad =/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 07, 2012, 02:03:08 AM
Using the information from this thread, I successfully upgraded a SP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to 5,1 and the processor to a hex core W3680 (Ebay $550) in about 20 minutes. This increased its speed to a 64-bit Geekbench score north of 14,000. A beast!!!

Emboldened, I purchased a DP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to upgrade it to hex X5680's (Ebay $750 each). I am happy to report that all went well in the total of 45 minutes it took to install MacEFIRom's thoughtfully crafted ROM upgrade software (May 09, 2011, 08:01:35 PM) and to use the tools and installation instructions suggested by MindBender (June 19, 2011, 09:50:45 AM; and puller (June 18, 2011, 06:31:43 AM; June 19, 2011, 03:43:40 PM).  Despite the increased power demands of the x5680's, I have had no thermal issues as measured by iStat 4, which also shows the fans to be fully operational albeit inaudible. Showing a 64-bit Geekbench score north of 24,000, the upgraded DP Mac Pro 5,1 is almost a double beast!!!

MindBender had previously reported that when he similarly converted his DP Mac Pro 4,1 to x5660's, his machine would not boot after he upgraded it to OSX 10.8.2 and the 10.8.2 Supplemental update.  He said:
"I think 10.8.2 Supplemental contains an EFI update. Apple even mentions a fix for >64GiB RAM on Mac Pros, presumably as an EFI update. Unfortunately this update fails and prevents to boot my machine.

"On the other hand, it's not really that unfortunate: If it had succeeded updating my EFI to an updated 4,1 version, my machine would have been bricked because it would no longer support its processors. And no longer having the old processors around would mean I'd have to obtain some in order to unbrick it." (October 11, 2012, 09:51:08 AM)

I avoided this problem (at least for now) by swapping the boot SSD on the SP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 (on which I had installed 10.8.2 and the 10.8.2 Supplemental update) into the DP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 after I had upgraded it - and doing my first boot from that drive. So far so good after a full week of use.  I certainly wish I could help MindBender other than by speculating that his ROM is corrupt and advising him to reverse the hardware install and see if a tech at the Apple Store can help if Apple's online help doesn't reveal a fix. Good luck, my brother.

Again, thanks, everyone!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienspy on December 11, 2012, 06:13:12 AM
Hello all, fellow 2009 Mac Pro SP 2.66 user here, looking to upgrade to a hexacore W3680.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the upgrade until reading some of the issues people had run into with the 10.8.2 supplemental update. Currently I'm running 10.8.2 and all up to date, but haven't attempted the firmware upgrade. Can anyone confirm the 2009 single processor machines aren't hindered by the update?

My other option is to keep the machine a 4,1 and do a simple processor swap to a W3565 (quad core 3.2ghz) which seems fairly future proof.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 11, 2012, 09:29:26 PM
I successfully upgraded two SP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1's to W3680's in late October, 2012, with no problems at all for their entire 2 months of virtually continuous operation running 10.8.2 with MacEFIRom's ROM upgrade; and I am unaware of any problems anyone else has had upgrading a SP 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 to 5,1 and a faster processor who followed the latest instructions on this thread. Please see my last post above.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienspy on December 11, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
Thanks ravensfan. Just to verify, you have also applied the 10.8.2 Supplemental Update?

Edit: Re-read your post above and finally understood. You ran the 10.8.2 update on another machine then swapped the drive into your 5,1 Mac. Makes sense. I wonder how often Apple's updates could threaten to brick our machines :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nuthman on December 14, 2012, 12:25:09 AM
Hello, I applied your firmware hack, and it now reports that the machine is MacPro5,1 under hardware,  but it still says 'Mac Pro Early 2009' under 'about this mac'

Is this normal? Was the update completely successful?

Mac Pro early 2009, OSX 10.8.2


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienspy on December 14, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
This question was answered earlier, turns out the "Mac Pro Early 2009" is determined by the serial number, but indeed if your machine is reporting 5,1 it has been successful.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 16, 2012, 12:39:05 AM
Congrats, MindBender. The lesson is that for all your help to others, including me, you have good karma!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 16, 2012, 12:50:18 AM
rueyloonsupermacpr, long ago I went to the link you mentioned and found that it had a lot of incorrect information which was supplanted by the more current and correct information on this thread. I would highy recommend that all newbies look only at the information on this thread, which I specifically reference in my post here on December 07, 2012, 02:03:08 AM.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 16, 2012, 12:57:53 AM
yurizoli, be patient and you will find a W3680 on eBay for $550 or less. Don't ever buy an engineering sample (usually has an "ES" on the chip cover)!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ravensfan on December 16, 2012, 01:02:36 AM
pixluser, imho, the W3680 gives the best bang/buck. Please read my previous posts for why.


Title: Funny thing happened on the way to the Forum
Post by: mrh63061 on January 07, 2013, 12:11:01 AM
I've have been having sleep issues lately with my upgraded 4,1 to 5,1 MP, tried everything I could think of to figure out why it wouldn't sleep, so my last resort before heading to the forums was to see if I could boot from the AHT disc that came with my MP.
I didn't expect it to work since I've read others trying since upgrading their firmware and hardware to match, but I was totally shocked that it booted and tested.
How can this be?, did Apple do something in either 10.7 or 10.8 to let this happen or is this just a fluke.
I'm currently running 10.8.2, firmware MP51.007F.B03, with a Xeon 3680, Apple ATI Radeon 5870, 12GB of PC10600 DDR3 ECC 1333MHz.
I did get and error when it came to the video controller, error 4vdc/3/40000003:video controller other then that the memory tested OK, and the logic board, the first test I ran was the extended so it check the fans as I heard them rev up, the only test that it didn't run was the video, which is really just full screen of each color gamut.
I'm still scratching my head on this one, has anyone else give this a whirl with the same specs as I've got?
 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Spacedust on January 12, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16637535&postcount=1

How is that possible he's got 1333 MHz on RAM ?

I've got 1333 MHz RAM and firmware 5,1 + genuine Apple X5570's and only got 1066 MHz.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Troiano27 on January 22, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Can someone please tell me how thick the replacement thermal pad should be (for the heat sink). I've read every page of this thread (2 days ago) and a few others.  I can't seem to remember where I found the CPU installation instructions, where it talked about m4 washers and thermal pads.

I remember the washers need to raise the heatsink up 2mm


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DjSvoy on January 23, 2013, 03:34:35 AM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16637535&postcount=1

How is that possible he's got 1333 MHz on RAM ?

I've got 1333 MHz RAM and firmware 5,1 + genuine Apple X5570's and only got 1066 MHz.
You have to change CPU on Intel Xeon X 56.... processors family, in order to get 1333Mhz. Intel X5570 supports up to 1066Mhz only.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BlackMiniMac on January 23, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
I would just like to say a big thankyou for this amazing utility. My 4.1 is now a 5.1.
I got a little bit brave and purchased a w3580 to replace my W3520 (i couldnt run to a W3680) and replaced the processor too.  My Mac now has a new lease of life  ;D  :D
Eventually i'll save enough and get a 3680 or better but meanwhile will my Mac be able to use 1333 memory or is my existing 1066 as far as it will go  ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: editguy on January 24, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
Just flashed my Early 2009 Mac Pro (thanks for the utility), but am now curious on what my options are for tricking this puppy out?

Do you guys have reccomnedations for CPUs? Is there a guide you can point me to that illustrates how to upgrade the CPUs?

I've currently got 32 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM.

My Hardware Overview is thus:

(http://i49.tinypic.com/jqgtpd.jpg)

thanks in advance


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: TheEasterBunny on January 24, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Today I tried the firmware update on my MP 1,1.
Followed the directions very carefully, and it got to the boot screen with the progress meter, and immediately stopped and rebooted. I tried this a few times, same every time. When I check the system profiler it shows no change. The boot ROM version still reads MP11.005D.B00.
Any help would be appreciated.


UPDATE:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/sep11/092111.html
Most other using this utility have Boot ROM Version: MP11.005C.B08 that look like this.
Mine has a boot ROM that looks like this MP11.005D.B00.
You will notice the "D" in mine as apposed to the "C" in the update.
Mine did say "your Mac Pro does not need this update"
Hope this helps someone else


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bmwmcars on January 30, 2013, 08:49:36 PM
just tried this on my 4,1. the flash worked perfectly, it shows mac pro 5,1 now.  but no matter how many times i try, i cannot get it to boot, bong, or do anything with 2x x5680s in it.  just sits there. 

i did not remove the lid (IHS), so maybe i am not getting them tightened down enough? i am sure i am doing something silly wrong.  but i have tried 5 times now.

good news is, i still manage to get it working with the original cpus just fine, so i am not damaging the sockets.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: armdn on January 31, 2013, 07:50:04 AM
Today I tried the firmware update on my MP 1,1.
Followed the directions very carefully, and it got to the boot screen with the progress meter, and immediately stopped and rebooted. I tried this a few times, same every time. When I check the system profiler it shows no change. The boot ROM version still reads MP11.005D.B00.
Any help would be appreciated.


UPDATE:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/sep11/092111.html
Most other using this utility have Boot ROM Version: MP11.005C.B08 that look like this.
Mine has a boot ROM that looks like this MP11.005D.B00.
You will notice the "D" in mine as apposed to the "C" in the update.
Mine did say "your Mac Pro does not need this update"
Hope this helps someone else

You are in the wrong thread. This thread for MacPro4,1 only.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: editguy on February 01, 2013, 05:57:57 PM
Just flashed my Early 2009 Mac Pro (thanks for the utility), but am now curious on what my options are for tricking this puppy out?

Do you guys have reccomnedations for CPUs? Is there a guide you can point me to that illustrates how to upgrade the CPUs?

I've currently got 32 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM.

My Hardware Overview is thus:

(http://i49.tinypic.com/jqgtpd.jpg)

thanks in advance

Gosh, is this thread cold?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 01, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
just tried this on my 4,1. the flash worked perfectly, it shows mac pro 5,1 now.  but no matter how many times i try, i cannot get it to boot, bong, or do anything with 2x x5680s in it.  just sits there. 

i did not remove the lid (IHS), so maybe i am not getting them tightened down enough? i am sure i am doing something silly wrong.  but i have tried 5 times now.

good news is, i still manage to get it working with the original cpus just fine, so i am not damaging the sockets.

I had EXACT same problem. I think I had them too tight. Just concentrate on socket A with the 5680. I was able to use the 5680s in a same socket flashing rig so I knew they were good. Be careful, I mashed pins on one socket.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bmwmcars on February 02, 2013, 12:11:20 AM
just tried this on my 4,1. the flash worked perfectly, it shows mac pro 5,1 now.  but no matter how many times i try, i cannot get it to boot, bong, or do anything with 2x x5680s in it.  just sits there. 

i did not remove the lid (IHS), so maybe i am not getting them tightened down enough? i am sure i am doing something silly wrong.  but i have tried 5 times now.

good news is, i still manage to get it working with the original cpus just fine, so i am not damaging the sockets.

I had EXACT same problem. I think I had them too tight. Just concentrate on socket A with the 5680. I was able to use the 5680s in a same socket flashing rig so I knew they were good. Be careful, I mashed pins on one socket.

So basically get socket A good then try for socket B? seems reasonable.  You think it may be too tight? hmm... the sockets are definitely not damaged, but i guess too tight could cause other issues?



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: t2t on February 06, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
Hey guys, great info here, but one small issue:

I don't know if any of you guys came across this problem, but after I ran the update my MacPro  became "nameless"!
I'm running mountain lion, and some things got a little messy: all the launchpad icons got mixed up (lost arrengment), and some services got rebooted (received in other devices the info that My Mac 5.1 was now using icloud).

None of that was a problem, but now my MacPro (under devices, in fider) has no name! Just Blank!

I read all previous messages (sorry if I missed it), and googled it for a solution; so far nothing.

Does any of you stumbled upon this? Any suggestions?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: t2t on February 07, 2013, 03:56:41 AM
Sorry guys, found the answer: the "Name of the computer" under Sharing, was set to "", just like that. Now it's all ok!

Buy my new processor now!
Cheers.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kkanuck on February 12, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
Is there a version of the W3690 that is not compatible with a 4,1 single processor Mac Pro?  

 I am looking at one, and most just stipulate PC compatibility.  I have read through the 36 pages in this 4,1 based thread and could not find any mention of this topic, unless I overlooked it somehow. Xeon  W3690 Manufacturer Part#   BX80613W3690 or alternatively AT80613005931AB will this work okay in a 4,1, or is there a risk it will not?

Thanks for any guidance...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SMonkey on February 14, 2013, 04:50:14 PM
On CPU compatibility, I have personally verified both the W3680 and the X5680. My guess is that anything in this family of CPUs should work, W3670 - W3690 on the single CPU model, and X5650 - X5690 on the dual CPU model.

Hope this helps :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ZBK on February 23, 2013, 12:13:56 PM
Thanks for the upgrade.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mosesk on February 26, 2013, 05:25:42 AM
Would someone be so kind as to inform me as to what is the fastest set of processors one can currently use to convert an 8-core Mac Pro 4,1 to a 12-core 5,1?

And also what is the best value in processors currently?

I have read most of this thread over the last 2 days and would like to attempt this upgrade.

Thanks to all who have shared their expertise and experience!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 26, 2013, 05:43:56 AM
Best X5690

Better value X5680 or X5670

I did 5680s, love them.

Faster than anything you can buy from our friends in Cupertino


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mosesk on February 26, 2013, 06:16:55 AM
Thank you Rominator.
Exactly the info I was looking for!
And if I may ask further- where did you buy your X5680s or where would you recommend to buy them?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on March 05, 2013, 09:55:52 PM
@puier, @mindbender, @ravensfan and all,
About to update a DP Mac Pro with two X5680s and the detailed instructions from puier on July 19, 2011 are terrific!!!
Still trying to nail down a perhaps mundane detail, however.

What exactly is being done to modify the heat sink fan connector?

puier's great photos show removing the clips on the back and front of it (don't know why) but there's also another photo that just says, "Modify the heatsink fan connector"

Any better explanation anywhere?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on March 06, 2013, 09:28:21 AM
Hey, haven't seen you since you and your brother came by my place a few years back.

Dave loves his Cubes, I wish Apple did too.

Anyhow, I did 5680 in a 2009 and it worked out great.





Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mosesk on March 06, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
where are you guys finding 5680s currently and how much are you paying for them?

thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pelagic on March 06, 2013, 03:46:45 PM
Upgrade worked perfectly. Thanks for the work on this. Now to get some new RAM and processors.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MustRAMtheSSD on March 17, 2013, 03:51:29 AM
Ok, did the boot rom update and it went on without a hitch!  Major kudos to the author of the utility :-)

Now, my question is this:  As it stands right now, I need more ram than processor and I am about to buy some....1066 or 1333 on an 8core early 2009 with e5520s?
I have read that the 1333 has higher cas latency than the 1066 and so the gain in clock rate is upset by the gain in latency; is this true?
I have also read that the problem is the processor (other places -and you should hear the arguments!) while others say that it is the chipset and even the mid 2010 8 core mac pro use 1066 so that even after the boot rom update I would get no advantage; true or false?
There was also -in one of the replies- a statement to the effect that the ram should be installed in multiples of 3 so that 24 gb would give better performance than 32gb and 48 better than 64; sounds rather odd to me; true or false?

Finally, the big question -since I can not afford to upgrade the processors just yet and did the boot rom update for the supposed benefit of higher clock rate ram- more ram or less ram and an ssd for the OS?

Again, thank you for creating this utility because however this turns out, eventually, I will have 12 cores and to avoid the problems that I've heard concerning apple's heat sinks, why not water cool with corsair h100 or thermaltake water 2.0?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gulli2007 on March 25, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
Quote
Posted by: MustRAMtheSSD
I will have 12 cores and to avoid the problems that I've heard concerning apple's heat sinks, why not water cool with corsair h100 or thermaltake water 2.0?

while i am a complete newbie at mod'ing macs i did wonder if this would be possible/worth the risk!

Cheers to MacEFIRom app worked perfectly although got to admit i was a bit clenched while waiting for it to boot after the re-start!!!
Seeing as that worked i've bitten the bullet and found myself a pair of cheap(ish) X5650's (£750 for a brand new OEM pair) that will be my entertainment for the weekend while i struggle to figure out which bits go where and which cable/connector i need to shim!

Cheers to everyone who has posted support for this!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacUser2525 on March 25, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Quote
Posted by: MustRAMtheSSD
I will have 12 cores and to avoid the problems that I've heard concerning apple's heat sinks, why not water cool with corsair h100 or thermaltake water 2.0?

while i am a complete newbie at mod'ing macs i did wonder if this would be possible/worth the risk!

Cheers to MacEFIRom app worked perfectly although got to admit i was a bit clenched while waiting for it to boot after the re-start!!!
Seeing as that worked i've bitten the bullet and found myself a pair of cheap(ish) X5650's (£750 for a brand new OEM pair) that will be my entertainment for the weekend while i struggle to figure out which bits go where and which cable/connector i need to shim!

Cheers to everyone who has posted support for this!!

Your doing better than I am at it then I'm still trying to figure out just how many chickens I have to sacrifice while dancing naked in the full moonlight to get it to work. I have seen that firmware update screen at least a dozen times where it does absolutely nothing before it restarts. So anyone know the magic incantation that gets this thing to work? MacPro 4,1, 2.66ghz, gt120, 8gb ram the .B07 firmware installed that will not upgrade.

Code:
ll /System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware\ Updates/MacProEFIUpdate15/
EfiUpdaterApp2.efi       MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd

Edit: Finally the key is don't let off of the power while it starts hold it down the entire time then you get it to flash, damn.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MustRAMtheSSD on March 27, 2013, 02:59:31 AM
Why do you guys think the water cooling would be a risk? Supposedly, these sealed systems have cooling capacity to spare; enough to cool an i7.   TTBOMK the difference between my Xeons and an i7 is that I can put two Xeons on one board but i7s are one processor per board only so there should be no problem with extra heat.  ??



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: papillon68 on March 27, 2013, 06:22:43 PM
Thanks for this neat tool, now that I upgraded to 5.1 the Ati 7770 and Quadro 600 work just fine (previisuly, on 4.1, Ati didn't send any signal to the Apple Cinema Display and Quadro would cause a panic error resuming from sleep).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gulli2007 on March 28, 2013, 05:16:36 PM
Thanks for this neat tool, now that I upgraded to 5.1 the Ati 7770 and Quadro 600 work just fine (previisuly, on 4.1, Ati didn't send any signal to the Apple Cinema Display and Quadro would cause a panic error resuming from sleep).

just don't like the idea of having water running round my system! i know that they are meant to be completely sealed but every factory makes mistakes from time to time and while fan cooling does the job if not a bit more noisily id rather play it safe with that!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CGDP on March 29, 2013, 06:33:19 PM
Hello i have a MacPro 4,1 MP41.0081.B07

My MP run : 10.8.2 Quad Nehalem 16go 1066mhz GTX 570

I want to swtich to 5.1

Could you please tel me where i can find the programme to do it please.

PS : Sorry for my english i'm french.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Concorde Rules on April 01, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
Its attached to the first post in this thread....


PS: Been upgraded to 5,1 now for a year, still working great :D


Now all I hope for is someone can hack the EFI itself :/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slzgeek on April 04, 2013, 03:16:26 PM
I have a Mac Pro 2009 with 1 Xeon W3520 (4x@2.66 GHz) and Radeon HD 4870.
The OS is 10.8.2 Mountain Lion (fresh installation from USB pendrive created with ML image from App Store).
I have the opportunity to buy a Xeon W3670 (6x@3.2 GHz): code SLBVE Costa Rica 3018B187. Will it be fully compatible with my computer after the firmware upgrade? Is there any risk to apply the upgrade with ML 10.8.2? I've heard of troubles with 10.8.2 supplemental update, but I don't know if my fresh install already contains the critical upgrade.
Any comment or suggestion?

Thanks
Sergio


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: militantm1nd on April 04, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
Ok.

I had a Mac Pro 4,1: Octo 2.26ghz, 8GB RAM, GTX 285 1GB Mac Edition.

Firmware upgraded to a Mac Pro 5,1: Octo 2.26ghz, 8GB RAM and I purchased and installed the new AMD Radeon 7950 3GB RAM.

The card crashed Borderlands 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2 in my 4,1 firmware; but GREAT NEWS for those who are trying to get a little extra mileage out of their 2009 Mac Pro's as the card works near flawlessly with the 5,1 firmware. There are only two slight (minor) annoyances: random weird screen flickers in both Logic Pro and Firefox. Not in games; everything I play (BioShock 2, Borderlands 2, Civilzation 5, Diablo 3 and Neverwinter Nights 2).

If anyone can help troubleshoot my weird screen flicker (rather or THE weird screen flicker) please help!

Really appreciate the original poster's efforts and upgrade utility!!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Weedmon on April 05, 2013, 10:07:30 AM
Hi guys,

maybe I'm a lil stupid, but I don't really understand how and with which Tools I have to update my Mac Pro 1.1 für using Mountain Lion.
I have 3.0GHz 2x Duo Core (4 Cores), 10 GB RAM, 64GB SSD, 2x 320GB HDD, ATI Radeon HD 4870.

I know about this (http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47 (http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47)) HowTo, but I don't really know how to upgrade Graphics and Firmware of my Mac Pro. THX for Help!!!!

Greetz,
Weedmon


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Kniteman77 on April 10, 2013, 10:09:43 AM
Has anyone had any luck with an X5679 instead of a X5680?

Just looking for a confirmed instance of that working with the firmware upgrade on a 2009 Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on April 10, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Hi guys,

maybe I'm a lil stupid, but I don't really understand how and with which Tools I have to update my Mac Pro 1.1 für using Mountain Lion.
I have 3.0GHz 2x Duo Core (4 Cores), 10 GB RAM, 64GB SSD, 2x 320GB HDD, ATI Radeon HD 4870.

I know about this (http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47 (http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47)) HowTo, but I don't really know how to upgrade Graphics and Firmware of my Mac Pro. THX for Help!!!!

Greetz,
Weedmon

No firmware update needed to run ML on your MP.
Update is helpful when you want to upgrade CPUs to Quad Cores.
Just follow jabbawok's guide. It's easy.
Check this thread too: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,1123.0.html - you'll find some useful tips there.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MajorMatt on April 10, 2013, 08:30:59 PM
Here's my story.

Purchased system:  Date; 11 June 2009, Reconditioned (early 2009) from Apple, 2x 2.66Ghz, 8 Core, 640G Hard Drive,  6 GB RAM. iOS Lion. Additional purchase 24 LED screen.
Within one week added two 2GB Ram ( for a total of 10GB RAM) one 1T Hard Drive.
Note. I have two screens running on this system the new 24 LED and my original 20inch LED Apple Cinema which is run via the DVI to SDC adapter.
In 2010, added two additional 1T hard drives so all four bays now have a HD.
In 2011, added a Pioneer DVR-219L in the second tray. Swapped out the 10GB RAM for OWC 32GB RAM match set of 8x 4GB 1066MHz.  I also fixed the bluetooth to increase its range. I routed a new 12 inch antenna cable from the bluetooth card to an external antenna mounted to the back of the Mac Pro. Now my magic mouse works with no issues. Bluetooth range is 45 feet.
In 2012 I upgraded the video card to a ATI Radeon 5770,
In 2013 I upgraded to Mountain  Lion, Current iOS is 10.8.3

I have been sitting on the firmware patch for sometime now, only because I did not see the need to apply the update to my current system.

I finally found a set of processors on ebay that I could afford. So I applied the update to see if there were any issues and I have no issues with my system listed above. Since the firmware is working I placed a bid on the CPU's. 2 xeon x5670 ES  SL:Q3UW ( 2.93 GHz 6 core) They came out of an IBM workstation due for upgrades. And Yes. They are ES (Engineering Samples). The opening bid was $850 for the pair. I placed the bid and to my complete surprise for the next five days I was the only bidder and won the bid. I guess the ES scared away other bidders.

I popped them in one at a time. I did CPU-A first and the system fired right up with no problem. I did have to tweak the cooler towers to sit properly so that the cooling fans did not run a full speed. Which took me all of 15 mins to play with. I then added CPU-B and the system booted with no issues and the cooler tower was working correctly the first time in.

I did download the Temperature Monitor app ver. 4.97 it is a free app and it lets you see all of the temperatures for the CPU and other items that have sensors.

final results

Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   6-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   12
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   12 MB
  Memory:   32 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5

In the next couple on months, I will probably replace the RAM with 64GB 1333


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: HCMarkus on April 13, 2013, 06:13:34 PM

If anyone can help troubleshoot my weird screen flicker (rather or THE weird screen flicker) please help!

Really appreciate the original poster's efforts and upgrade utility!!


I have found that I get periodic screen flicker with three monitors connected to a 5770 (2 DP, 1 VGA) UNLESS I power up the monitors prior to booting my flashed 5,1 hex Mac Pro.  If I power the monitors up first, everything works perfectly. Just a thought...

I, too, appreciate greatly the great work of MacEFIRom!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MassMacMan on April 13, 2013, 06:53:21 PM
After reading all 37 (!) pages of this thread, I used the firmware upgrade utility on my early 2009 quad-core 2.66 Mac. I'm happy to report that all went smoothly on the first try. Now I'm awaiting a 3690 hex-core to get things running!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Maddawg383 on April 21, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
Hey guys, i'm new here so please gimme a bit of a break.
I've dropped in my 5355's before knowing i had to upgrade to 2.1 first.

Now ,when i try the firmware update i get a message stating the computer does not need the upgrade and does not allow it .same for the  smc update.
2x2.66 shows up as unknown in the about this mac.
ID still shows 1.1.
 Do i have to re-install the old cpu's and do the update? Or is there a simple way to do the update now ,with the new cpu's installed?

Any links or advice in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shongohan on April 22, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Can I upgrade the firmware if I have already installed chameleon?
my macpro is 1,1 and I have the MP11.005C.B08 version
I have also a 6870... I have tried many times with the two versions of the utility but I cant upgrade
I think that chameleon dont let the firmware upgrade process is true?

thanks experts! ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Maddawg383 on April 22, 2013, 06:02:49 PM
I forgot to mention
Boot rom version MP11.005C.B08
Smc 1.7f10


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on April 23, 2013, 10:50:05 PM
Guys, you are asking about the 2006-2007 version of the Mac Pro, this topic is about the 2009-2010 version, but the answer for your question maddawg383 is yes it should work but you have to use the version for the 2006 to 2007 firmware update. the version in this topic is for 2009 to 2010 Mac Pros. hope this help you!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Prole on April 23, 2013, 11:19:54 PM
This worked perfectly for me - thank you.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shaun39 on May 10, 2013, 08:10:13 AM
Thank you for posting this great tool. I too was able to upgrade a 2009 MP to run a 6 core 5680. Machine runs very smooth!!

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MachineShedFred on May 12, 2013, 04:23:22 PM
I finally got around to installing this, because I've been trying to get Win7 / Win8 to boot in native UEFI mode on my Mac, rather than using the Boot Camp BIOS CSM.  I could not get the 4,1 firmware to ever do a native UEFI boot to a Win8 CD, but immediately after this hack, it started working straight away.

Maybe another reason to "upgrade" to the 5,1 firmware, even if you don't intend to drop Westmere Xeons in.  Now only if Nvidia's drivers weren't crashy garbage for Win8 - otherwise the thing boots in less than 10 seconds...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GP-SE on May 13, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
any other differences using 5,1 on a 4,1? I have a 4,1 that I don't plan on upgrading the CPU's anytime soon, but if there are other improvements I would flash to 5,1

Does this update the SMC at all, or is it still:
system: 1.39f5
processor tray: 1.39f5


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bmadden104 on May 13, 2013, 11:11:34 PM
I also got the 5570 error message when trying to use the update tool.  After reading the entire forum, I too disabled the MacOs Firewall (in system preferences under security), restarted the mac and then restarted the firmware tool, but I continued to get the 5570 error.  I then redownloaded the zip file at the beginning of this thread and it worked fine.  Hope this helps anyone else who gets this error.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GP-SE on May 14, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
I just updated, got the same error at first, re-downloaded and it all went well after, got 5,1 now!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: espcustom on May 16, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
downloaded and installed it yesterday with no issues! works perfectly on my MP Early 2009 2.66/6Gb@1066/HD 4870. Can see some better performance already without new hardware.

next upgrade to come:

- going for a W3550 (same as W3520 but 3,06Ghz) while W3690 are getting affordables.
- upgrading to 8Gb @1333 even if it will run @1066, in order to be ready when the 6cores arrives.

;-)

Thx a lot to you all for your answers, and comments. and of course big thx to the master who build this!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: deram_scholzara on June 01, 2013, 07:20:22 PM
Hi there - I just tried this upgrade on my 4,1 dual 2.26 Mac Pro and the upgrade seemed to go smoothly, but I'm not sure it worked.

After booting back up, it still shows my model as a 4,1, even though (from what I've read above) it should show as 5,1.  Do I need to actually upgrade the processors for that to change?  Seems unlikely...

Thank you!

Edit: Ah, figured it out - I was using my unflashed MSi Radeon 7870 card and could not see the firmware installation screen (so I was letting it run blind).  After switching back to my Radeon 4870, it worked like a charm =-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: quadraspleen on June 03, 2013, 04:57:16 PM
Hi there,

A little late to the party, but hey :)

Ok, I have an early 2009 4,1. I have bought a pair of W5590 3.33Ghz CPU's to go into the machine (£130 each on eBay!) #

Currently 2x 2.26Ghz CPU
I have 6x 1066 RAM and 2x 1333.
It runs fine as is.

I changed the CPU's today, and it will not post.

A small red light comes on next to the number 4 on CPU A RAM slots. All fans and the HDD spin up but no bong.

I put my old CPU's back in and it still works (Phew)

Someone told me that to run two diff types/speeds of RAM with the W5590s I will need this 4,1 to 5,1 update.

I run the update and it all seems to run fine, it makes RAM disk and tell me to reboot; I do the SMC startup and get the flashing light. I release the button, wait about 5 mins; it reboots and is still 4,1.

What am I doing wrong?!

Thanks in advance

spleen

p.s I am running an unflashed Nvidia GTX570 which doesn't let me see bootup screen. Could this be why? I don't have my old 4870 anymore. Can I flash this card?

Thanks again


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jkroeni on June 05, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
Thanks for the utility  :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: soundshaper on June 06, 2013, 02:39:36 PM
thanks to this thread I just successfully upgraded my 2009 quad-core 2.66Ghz into a Mac Pro 5.1 hex-core 3.33Ghz. I had 4 x 2GB 1066Mhz RAM that I also upgraded into 4 x 8GB 1333Mhz, is this the maximum quantity AND speed that I can achieve with a 2009 5.1 MacPro?

I can now keep my 2009 MacPro for about another 2 years i'd say... but i would also need to change the stock graphic card GeForce GT120, but i've searched around netkas forums and googled around... I am completely lost! can't seem to find a guide on which card (brand/model/edition) to choose so that under 10.8.3, it would work out of the box with no flashing? or a step-by-step guide on which card to choose and then how to flash it? there is somewhere a (non-exhaustive) list right? recommending as least a dozen of good cards easy to flash, and stable to run on a MacPro once flashed?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Nordic on June 06, 2013, 10:23:27 PM
Newbe cancer researcher needs help on the correct STEPS AND SEQUENCE for upgrading my early Nahalem 2009 to 2010 5.1. 

Have available ready to upgrade:  OWC 24 GB 1333 ram, Mtn Lion (not yet purchased but downloadable), Apple 5870, W3690 CPU, OWC Accelsior 240 GB SSD.

Current computer has:  Single 2.66 CPU, quad core, 8 GB DDR3 1066 (2 GB sticks), original WDC WD640 HD, Apple GT 120, Boot ROM MP41.0081.B07.
SMC 1.39fs, Snow Leopard 10.6.8

Please CORRECT this tentative sequence plan where errors exist, particularly at last steps:

1)  Put in Accelsior SSD and install Mtn Lion with upgrades. Partition one half of SSD for Win 7 in NTFS. Test

2)  Put in Apple 5870 graphics card and test.

3)  Install the 24 GB Ram and test all ram.

4)  Install W3690 CPU.

5)  Do Pram reset before first boot after CPU upgrade.

6) Test CPU under tech tools deluxe (or Pro?).

7)  Install the Netkas firmware upgrade to 5.1

8)  Do another and last PRAM reset.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GP-SE on June 07, 2013, 05:03:04 PM
Newbe cancer researcher needs help on the correct STEPS AND SEQUENCE for upgrading my early Nahalem 2009 to 2010 5.1. 

Have available ready to upgrade:  OWC 24 GB 1333 ram, Mtn Lion (not yet purchased but downloadable), Apple 5870, W3690 CPU, OWC Accelsior 240 GB SSD.

Current computer has:  Single 2.66 CPU, quad core, 8 GB DDR3 1066 (2 GB sticks), original WDC WD640 HD, Apple GT 120, Boot ROM MP41.0081.B07.
SMC 1.39fs, Snow Leopard 10.6.8

Please CORRECT this tentative sequence plan where errors exist, particularly at last steps:




do it like this:

1)  Put in Apple 5870 graphics card

2)  Install the 24 GB Ram

boot your current install, make sure everything works

3)  Install the Netkas firmware upgrade to 5.1

boot current install, make sure everything works

4)  Install W3690 CPU.

5)  Do Pram reset before first boot after CPU upgrade.

boot current install, make sure everything works

6) Put in Accelsior SSD and install Mtn Lion with upgrades. Partition one half of SSD for Win 7 in NTFS. Test


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Nordic on June 07, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
Many thanks to GP-Se!  Following your sequence.  So far, so good (ram in).  Will give complete report with Geekbench results when finished.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Crossix on June 11, 2013, 06:40:51 AM
Hey guys,I am new here.

I just bought a Mac Pro 4,1 2 x2.26ghz and I would like to upgraded later on at 5,1,
 But read some issues with the Mac OS 10.8 updates.plus it seems that the model I have the CPU won't fit good with the heat sink.

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GP-SE on June 11, 2013, 03:09:43 PM
Hey guys,I am new here.

I just bought a Mac Pro 4,1 2 x2.26ghz and I would like to upgraded later on at 5,1,
 But read some issues with the Mac OS 10.8 updates.plus it seems that the model I have the CPU won't fit good with the heat sink.

Thanks

what CPU are\did you buy? There are no issues with 10.8 updates, I have a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 and everything is working great.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: okiave on June 15, 2013, 09:44:08 AM
@soundshaper

I just upgraded my  SC2009 MacPro to 5.1.
The NVDIA 6870 I have inside it works just fine after the upgrade.
My system boots off a RAID-0 SSD set up and is not particularly optimized with the current 10GB of ram.

At the moment I'm still on 10.7.5, but everything I have read till now
says the 6870 works in 10.8.2. Btw this is XFX Dual channel.

For now I've decided to forego upgrading the internal hardware and memory
and instead invested in a new 27" LED display. At the turn of the year, I noticed my screen calibration notes began to show a consistant decline in brightness from my aging 20" Cinema. Not bad for buying it refurbished from apple almost 7 years ago.

Like you, I too am thinking of keeping this machine around I while longer. Apple's latest Mac Pro release (R2D2 can) is impressive but as primarily a still photographer it seems like overkill. My workstation, Optimus, holds it's own even with my digital workflow of 16MP & 21MP raw.

You might find this article about optimum module configuration of interest. It seems that the third channel for memory that 2009 Mac Pro received makes it a better performer RAM module set ups that are divisible by 3.

http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-MacProNehalem-Tests-Memory.html

 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mkush on June 19, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
Last year I upgraded a 2009 single 2.66 quad to 2010 firmware and a W3680 (3.33 hex). Painless and perfect, thanks much!

Now I want to take that machine to the next level with dual 3.46 (X5690). I have purchased a 2009 dual CPU (2.26) board off eBay, waiting for that to arrive. Have not yet bought CPUs, looking for a good deal. While I wait I thought I would post my proposed plan here to see if anyone shoots any holes in it.

Since the computer is already at 2010 firmware, I assume I might have problems if I put the new CPU board in, which presumably has 2009 firmware still on it. Therefore, I plan to replace the original CPU, flash the computer back to 2009, put in the new dual CPU board, flash the whole thing up to 2010, then proceed to install the new CPUs. Memory will be Kingston 1333. So...

0. Start with 2009 MP already flashed to 2010 and running single hex CPU.
1. Replace single hex CPU with orig quad CPU.
2. Flash computer back to 2009.
3. Install 2009 dual CPU board with original CPUs (2.26) still installed.
4. Flash computer to 2010.
5. Replace CPUs with X5690, using 2mm washers, thermal pads, and extreme care.
6. Reset SMC and PRAM (in that order) to enable 1333 memory speed.

Sound correct?

Quick question regarding the CPU replacement. From what I read, you need about 5mm worth of thermal pad thickness for the sides of the heatsink to properly contact the voltage regulators (assuming you first remove what comes on the heatsink). Not wanting to wait for imported stuff to show up from an eBay seller, I ordered 2.5mm thick pad from Amazon and plan to just use two layers. They didn't seem to have 5mm stuff readily available.

http://www.amazon.com/Gino-Graphics-Thermal-Conductive-205mm/dp/B008X0UL3K

Does that seem fine?

Anyone see any issues?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SudoAptGet on June 20, 2013, 02:05:29 PM
I have successfully (to my knowledge) performed this upgrade last night on a 2009 Mac Pro with a single 2.66 Ghz processor.

Before running the utility, I replaced my w3520 2.66 Xeon CPU with the w3570.
The machine (still a 4,1) booted successfully with the new CPU, but reported 3.19 Ghz speed in About This Mac.

I launched the Utility, but it returned an Error 5570.  I performed a PRAM reset (seems to cure a lot of ills), and tried again.  The Second attempt running the utility was a success, and I shut down and proceeded with the firmware flash.

Everything went along as expected (DVD tray opening, too), and I ended up with a Mac Pro 5,1.  The PRAM reset appears to have corrected the 3.19 Ghz speed reported in About This MAC.  It is now reading as 3.2.

Curiously, even though all of my third-party apps were still installed, none of them appear in Launchpad any longer.  I must uninstall and reinstall each one to access them through launchpad as a 5,1.  They still launch from the Dock and Applications folder, however.

I'd like to run Apple Service Diagnostic to test the CPU, but I suspect my copy (intended for 2009 MP) will not work now that I am 2010.  Does anyone have any ideas about this?

Next step:  Install 1333 ram modules.  Then manually change About This MAc to read 'Mid 2010'.  To do this, navigate to /users/"your_user_name"/library/preferences/ and edit the file com.apple.systemprofiler.plist with Text Wrangler.  You'll have to enable hidden files first.  You can make it say whatever you want.

Thanks for the Utility.  It was great fun upgrading the Pro.
 
UPDATE:  I was able to run Apple Service Diagnostic 3s132 (intended for Mac Pro Early 2009) on the machine AFTER I flashed it to a 5,1.  I had feared that my copy of ASD would not boot because it uses OS X 10.5.7 (Leopard).  The mid-2010 Mac Pros use a minumum OS of 10.6.4, I believe.
I guess that these flashed Mac Pros have a confused identity.  I've also discovred a 'ghost' Mac Pro in my Network folder.  I can't connect to it, but there it sits.
Has anyone alse noticed this in there network folder?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mkush on June 20, 2013, 02:43:40 PM
Update: Was blessed to get a Dell T7500 off eBay with dual X5690s for $1300. Has anyone used chips taken from T7500s in a Mac Pro? I'm concerned about stepping.

Last year I upgraded a 2009 single 2.66 quad to 2010 firmware and a W3680 (3.33 hex). Painless and perfect, thanks much!

Now I want to take that machine to the next level with dual 3.46 (X5690). I have purchased a 2009 dual CPU (2.26) board off eBay, waiting for that to arrive. Have not yet bought CPUs, looking for a good deal. While I wait I thought I would post my proposed plan here to see if anyone shoots any holes in it.

Since the computer is already at 2010 firmware, I assume I might have problems if I put the new CPU board in, which presumably has 2009 firmware still on it. Therefore, I plan to replace the original CPU, flash the computer back to 2009, put in the new dual CPU board, flash the whole thing up to 2010, then proceed to install the new CPUs. Memory will be Kingston 1333. So...

0. Start with 2009 MP already flashed to 2010 and running single hex CPU.
1. Replace single hex CPU with orig quad CPU.
2. Flash computer back to 2009.
3. Install 2009 dual CPU board with original CPUs (2.26) still installed.
4. Flash computer to 2010.
5. Replace CPUs with X5690, using 2mm washers, thermal pads, and extreme care.
6. Reset SMC and PRAM (in that order) to enable 1333 memory speed.

Sound correct?

Quick question regarding the CPU replacement. From what I read, you need about 5mm worth of thermal pad thickness for the sides of the heatsink to properly contact the voltage regulators (assuming you first remove what comes on the heatsink). Not wanting to wait for imported stuff to show up from an eBay seller, I ordered 2.5mm thick pad from Amazon and plan to just use two layers. They didn't seem to have 5mm stuff readily available.

http://www.amazon.com/Gino-Graphics-Thermal-Conductive-205mm/dp/B008X0UL3K

Does that seem fine?

Anyone see any issues?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jkroeni on June 22, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
Hey guys, I'd really appreciate some help. I'm running 10.8.4 on an octo 2.26 Mac Pro 4.1 and wanted to upgrade the firmware. But, the tool keeps quitting with the message:

This program requires internet access. Please connect your Mac Pro to the internet and try again.

But I'm connected to the internet, Wi-Fi and ethernet.

Thanks for any help!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jkroeni on June 22, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
Hey guys, I'd really appreciate some help. I'm running 10.8.4 on an octo 2.26 Mac Pro 4.1 and wanted to upgrade the firmware. But, the tool keeps quitting with the message:

This program requires internet access. Please connect your Mac Pro to the internet and try again.

But I'm connected to the internet, Wi-Fi and ethernet.

Thanks for any help!

OK, tried with 10.8.4, 10.7.5, 10.6.3 and now 10.6.8, nothing worked...

Help, please?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kennyman on June 23, 2013, 02:47:19 AM
Hi - I am also interested in having my 4,1 Single CPU to dual CPUs and then flash it to 5,1...please keep us posted on your progress, I need to save some more thou :P


Update: Was blessed to get a Dell T7500 off eBay with dual X5690s for $1300. Has anyone used chips taken from T7500s in a Mac Pro? I'm concerned about stepping.

Last year I upgraded a 2009 single 2.66 quad to 2010 firmware and a W3680 (3.33 hex). Painless and perfect, thanks much!

Now I want to take that machine to the next level with dual 3.46 (X5690). I have purchased a 2009 dual CPU (2.26) board off eBay, waiting for that to arrive. Have not yet bought CPUs, looking for a good deal. While I wait I thought I would post my proposed plan here to see if anyone shoots any holes in it.

Since the computer is already at 2010 firmware, I assume I might have problems if I put the new CPU board in, which presumably has 2009 firmware still on it. Therefore, I plan to replace the original CPU, flash the computer back to 2009, put in the new dual CPU board, flash the whole thing up to 2010, then proceed to install the new CPUs. Memory will be Kingston 1333. So...

0. Start with 2009 MP already flashed to 2010 and running single hex CPU.
1. Replace single hex CPU with orig quad CPU.
2. Flash computer back to 2009.
3. Install 2009 dual CPU board with original CPUs (2.26) still installed.
4. Flash computer to 2010.
5. Replace CPUs with X5690, using 2mm washers, thermal pads, and extreme care.
6. Reset SMC and PRAM (in that order) to enable 1333 memory speed.

Sound correct?

Quick question regarding the CPU replacement. From what I read, you need about 5mm worth of thermal pad thickness for the sides of the heatsink to properly contact the voltage regulators (assuming you first remove what comes on the heatsink). Not wanting to wait for imported stuff to show up from an eBay seller, I ordered 2.5mm thick pad from Amazon and plan to just use two layers. They didn't seem to have 5mm stuff readily available.

http://www.amazon.com/Gino-Graphics-Thermal-Conductive-205mm/dp/B008X0UL3K

Does that seem fine?

Anyone see any issues?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jkroeni on June 25, 2013, 08:47:04 PM
Hey guys, I'd really appreciate some help. I'm running 10.8.4 on an octo 2.26 Mac Pro 4.1 and wanted to upgrade the firmware. But, the tool keeps quitting with the message:

This program requires internet access. Please connect your Mac Pro to the internet and try again.

But I'm connected to the internet, Wi-Fi and ethernet.

Thanks for any help!

Finally got it working!

I had to use my iPhone as a personal hotspot, and then it worked  :o

After this, I got some 5570 errors, but after resetting SMC and PRAM, everything was fine.

Now a happy owner of a 12 core 3.33 GHz Mac Pro with 32G of 1333MHz RAM  ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mkush on July 03, 2013, 04:41:49 PM
Background: Had a 2009 Pro running 2010 firmware with single hex CPU. Wanted to upgrade to dual hex CPUs (X5690). Bought 2009 dual CPU board off eBay (with dual 2.26GHz quad CPUs, $330). Bought a Dell T7500 off eBay with dual X5690s ($1300, hope to now sell off the parts and bring my cost down to about $500 for that part). Bought 2.5mm thermal pad off Amazon. Already had Arctic Clean and Silver. I work in a company with a machine shop so instead of using washers, I had my spacers made by grinding down some nuts to 0.081" (2.06mm). More on that later. Before beginning work I posted my proposed steps here:

0. Start with 2009 MP already flashed to 2010 and running single hex CPU.
1. Replace single hex CPU with orig quad CPU.
2. Flash computer back to 2009.
3. Install 2009 dual CPU board with original CPUs (2.26) still installed.
4. Flash computer to 2010.
5. Replace CPUs with X5690, using 2mm washers, thermal pads, and extreme care.
6. Reset SMC and PRAM (in that order) to enable 1333 memory speed.

Now I'm done (I hope!) and I wanted to return with my experience.

Proposed steps 1-4 went as planned. Step 5, the hardware surgery, was tricky. I unscrewed the heatsinks, removed the old CPUs stuck to the bottom, and cleaned with Arctic Clean. I removed the fan connector and totally cut off all the tabs using my pocket knife. I then reinserted the connectors into their original positions. I removed the thermal pad and replaced it with two layers of 2.5mm thermal pad from Amazon. I laid the new CPUs in position (there is no locking mechanism). I placed the 2mm spacers on the studs. I put the heatsinks in position above the CPUs and connected the fan connectors by using my pocket knife as a lever between the bottom of the heatsink and the top outer edges of the fan connector. Hard to explain, but it gave me confidence that the connectors mated well. Then I tightened down the heatsinks using the normal X pattern. I went two turns each to start with then half a turn each until the screws were tight on the 2mm spacers.

Finished, I put the CPU board in the Pro and turned it on. Fast fan noises, red lights lit by both CPUs and nothing else. I was mad! I took the board back out and loosened all the screws half a turn. This time, it booted perfect! So, the important moral of the story is that 2mm (or even 2.06)  is NOT enough as a spacer. You can still over tighten. I don't know exactly how thick the spacers should be but I do know that 2.06mm is not quite enough.

Oddly, I did not have to perform step 6: my memory showed up as 1333MHz right away with no action on my part. Maybe in the failure to boot the SMC/PRAM were reset?

Anyway, all seems to be well. I was concerned about CPU temps, since I lacked confidence that the heatsinks were properly seated on the CPUs but the temps seem to be good (in the 40 degree C range if I remember, climbing into the 50s while running Geekbench. Speaking of which, my first run of Geekbench after a successful boot was over 28,000, around double what the dual quad 2.26GHz chips gave.

Thanks again for the firmware update tool. Because of it, I was able to upgrade a single CPU 2009 to the fastest possible Pro for, I'm guessing, under $1000 net. Very pleased!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SudoAptGet on July 06, 2013, 05:16:08 PM
Hello mkush,

It's good to hear about your success in upgrading your Mac Pro.  I've done mine recently (single-processor) and would like to compare temperatures with other upgraders.
I get similar results with Geekbench.  but that test ends before the Temps get beyond the upper 60's.

Would you mind running some other lengthier stress tests?  Perhaps a handbrake encode or using the 'yes' command in Terminal to max out the cores for a few minutes.  My Cpu diode gets up to 84C and cores rise to 95C when doing those sorts of things.  Is this the case with your machine?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: quadraspleen on July 24, 2013, 02:23:06 PM
Hi all,

Well, I fixed my non-posting issues and now have an EFI-flashed GTX470 and it's all rosy :)

However, I still am unable to run the firmware update and would like any pointers from the pros :)

I can run the utility, reboot, hold poweruntil flash and tone, releas, get bong, then standard boot with Apple logo and no progress bar showing me firmware udpate. When at desktop, machine still stubbornly 4,1

On a better note: the 2 W5590s are 'mazin. My Geekbench is unreal (19392)

Any ideas re: firmware? EDIT: I have GUID partition, so it is not that.

Thanks

jake


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on July 24, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
Release button before tone, just after LED starts to flash. It'll work.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: quadraspleen on July 24, 2013, 05:36:55 PM
Release button before tone, just after LED starts to flash. It'll work.

And so it did! Could have sworn I did that before holding it until the tone, but thanks :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacMilligan on July 25, 2013, 05:14:02 AM
I wanted to pop in and say thank you for providing the upgrade to the Mac community.  I successfully upgraded a quad 4.1 to 5.1.  The first time I ran the program, I had a 5570 error.  Upon running it again, it worked.  I held the button through the long beep and its fully functional.  I gained ~400 in Geekbench without touching a thing.  Now to upgrade to a hex core..

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on July 31, 2013, 04:03:18 PM
Are there some issues going on with this upgrade lately? I've done this several time in the past with absolutely no issue. This latest time, I'm trying on 2 separate Mac Pros and am getting the same issues on both. First, I had a lot of trouble getting the Mac from 4,1 to 5,1. It finally worked but I was getting "Error 5570" messages as well as a locked "blessed (something, something)" folder on the desktop. After the 5,1 took, the CPU upgrades would not work: constant Kernel panics. no boots, etc. I swapped the W3680 CPU back to the original W3520 and all is well again except that I cannot revert back to a 4,1. I'm getting 5570 errors again. When the Ram Disk did get created and asked me to reboot, it will bypass the firmware update and boot right back to the desktop even though the power light flashes and the Firmware tone chimes. Any help?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: easy999 on August 02, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Figured out why this was happening. You need to update your efi to 1.4 before the firmware  will work. I was having the same issue and realized i never had updated. as soon as I did I ran the  mac pro firmware upgrade and no problems Im at 5.1 now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SudoAptGet on August 02, 2013, 04:26:34 PM
Are there some issues going on with this upgrade lately? I've done this several time in the past with absolutely no issue. This latest time, I'm trying on 2 separate Mac Pros and am getting the same issues on both. First, I had a lot of trouble getting the Mac from 4,1 to 5,1. It finally worked but I was getting "Error 5570" messages as well as a locked "blessed (something, something)" folder on the desktop. After the 5,1 took, the CPU upgrades would not work: constant Kernel panics. no boots, etc. I swapped the W3680 CPU back to the original W3520 and all is well again except that I cannot revert back to a 4,1. I'm getting 5570 errors again. When the Ram Disk did get created and asked me to reboot, it will bypass the firmware update and boot right back to the desktop even though the power light flashes and the Firmware tone chimes. Any help?

I had the 5570 error, but it worked after retrying the Utility a couple of times.  I also did a PRAM reset before retrying.
Also, after swapping CPU's, you could try a PRAM reset at first boot.  It's probably a good thing to do after a major hardware change like this.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on August 03, 2013, 12:23:39 PM
I had the 5570 error, but it worked after retrying the Utility a couple of times.  I also did a PRAM reset before retrying.
Also, after swapping CPU's, you could try a PRAM reset at first boot.  It's probably a good thing to do after a major hardware change like this.
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I tried PRAM resets, reseating the CPU, reseating the RAM, swapping hard drives and SSDS, everything I could think of. That's what lead me to finally try reverting back to a 4,1 since I feared the 5,1 update was somehow bad or corrupted. Like I said earlier, I've done this probably 20 other times without ever a single issue. This time I'm having identical issues on 2 separate Mac Pros with 2 separate CPUs. Something just seems off with the update but I cannot figure out what. when I thought the 5,1 update took, both computers would boot to the spinning gear Apple logo before a panic with black and white text running down the screen.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: b0bthebuilder on August 11, 2013, 12:09:34 AM
I have one of those refurb 2009 Mac Pro with B08 bios. Is it possible to downgrade to 1.07 then install this bios?
I remember a while ago, I tried and found out B08 bios is not supported.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: b0bthebuilder on August 13, 2013, 03:33:30 AM
After 2 years, I have to report success with the update with B08 Bios. I got a bunch of 5570 errors (when this first came out).
After reading the thread again, I decide on the small error messages. I decide I reboot then run.

No errors popped up after reboot so update ran flawlessless. boot bios is 2010 now.

Now to buy CPU.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on August 14, 2013, 09:53:06 AM
I Also had 5570 issue.
Repairing disk permission and then resetting pram did the trick.
Now i'm waiting for 2 x5677, the best 1366 quad core (3,46 ghz).
I bought 2 of them for 700 euros shipping included, great deal!

edit: just installed new cpus....geekbench of 20.400 using 32gb of 1333 ram! fantastic!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FreQuenC on August 16, 2013, 09:03:14 PM
Just wanted to report that today I successfully upgraded a 2009 2.66Ghz 4,1 Quad Core-> 5,1, 3.46Ghz (W3690) 6-Core. I also bumped the ram up from 6GB/1066->12GB/1333Ghz.

Thank you and the forum.  ;)



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on August 16, 2013, 11:36:02 PM
Just wanted to report that today I successfully upgraded a 2009 2.66Ghz 4,1 Quad Core-> 5,1, 3.46Ghz (W3690) 6-Core. I also bumped the ram up from 6GB/1066->12GB/1333Ghz.

Thank you and the forum.  ;)



what about your benchmark? i think 15.800 or maybe 16.000


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: errorus on August 22, 2013, 10:04:26 AM
Hi,
I reed the post published here a long time ago about 4.1 to 5.1 Mac Pro firmware upgrade. I did my homework and prepared to upgrade a 4.1 Mac Pro to 5.1
I would like to describe what I'm going to do and maybe someone should correct me if you find something bad idea or bad part. After the initial 15 pages of the original post the whole thing started to get an other direction and can not really find the informations so I googoled it, that is why I need a pro confirm on my steps if you can do this favour for me please.
First what I have here:
Mac Pro 4.1
Boot ROM MP41.0081.B07  
SMC: 1.39f5
CPU: 2x 2.26GHz Quad Xeon CPU  8 Core
Bought a 3mm hex screw driver:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400333079000?var=670044913285&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Have a regular thermal paste for CPU/VGA white colour from china.

So the plan is to follow the instruction here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-early-2009-nehalem-how-to-upgrade-processors.html
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/upgrading-and-analyzing-apple-s-nehalem-mac-pro/10
and of course apply your firmware upgrade (any more description about this?):
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004

Taking out the old CPU and replacing with Intel Xeon X5650 as this CPU seems now the most cost/performance effective one. Any stepping restriction?
I will count the rotations of the screwdriver during the take out of the old CPU and planning to apply less rotation when installing the CPU with cap.
I would avoid the CPU modification, taking of the integrated heat spreader seems too brute force.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161088675676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Taking out the memory and replacing with any kind of ddr3 8500e 10600e 12800e type memory with latency 9 or 10 according the forums but not sure.
guide from apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4433#3
Memory possibilities as I see the fastest module actually now the cheapest or equivalent with the 8500e:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-4GB-1Rx8-PC3-10600e-M391B5273CHO-DDR3-ECC-Unbuffered-Ram-Memory-/111128795606?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item19dfcad9d6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4GB-RAM-Memory-for-HP-Compaq-Business-Z220-Convertible-Minitower-DDR3-12800-E-/190878185126?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item2c7139f6a6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4GB-RAM-Memory-for-Apple-Xserve-Xeon-2-66GHz-Quad-Core-DDR3-DDR3-8500-E-/190878167891?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item2c7139b353

So far so good but the following issues can occurs I can not find any proper response nor information in the guides about them.

There is a Thermal sensor modification I would need to do because of the standard CPU with cap? None of the guides mention that.
Someone had issue with the original Snow Leopard install disck after upgrading to 5.1? I have the 10.6  2Z691-6428-A version and it worked on all 1.1,2.1,3.1 Macs.
DVD rom not closing ? it seems after a few restart or PROM reset all fixed, anything else I should know about this issue if happens?

I think that is all, if you have any comments please let me know so I can buy the proper parts and approach the whole upgrade in confidence.

Thanks,
Zoltan



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on August 22, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
Hi,
I reed the post published here a long time ago about 4.1 to 5.1 Mac Pro firmware upgrade. I did my homework and prepared to upgrade a 4.1 Mac Pro to 5.1
I would like to describe what I'm going to do and maybe someone should correct me if you find something bad idea or bad part. After the initial 15 pages of the original post the whole thing started to get an other direction and can not really find the informations so I googoled it, that is why I need a pro confirm on my steps if you can do this favour for me please.
First what I have here:
Mac Pro 4.1
Boot ROM MP41.0081.B07  
SMC: 1.39f5
CPU: 2x 2.26GHz Quad Xeon CPU  8 Core
Bought a 3mm hex screw driver:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400333079000?var=670044913285&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Have a regular thermal paste for CPU/VGA white colour from china.

So the plan is to follow the instruction here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-early-2009-nehalem-how-to-upgrade-processors.html
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/upgrading-and-analyzing-apple-s-nehalem-mac-pro/10
and of course apply your firmware upgrade (any more description about this?):
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg5004.html#msg5004

Taking out the old CPU and replacing with Intel Xeon X5650 as this CPU seems now the most cost/performance effective one. Any stepping restriction?
I will count the rotations of the screwdriver during the take out of the old CPU and planning to apply less rotation when installing the CPU with cap.
I would avoid the CPU modification, taking of the integrated heat spreader seems too brute force.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161088675676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Taking out the memory and replacing with any kind of ddr3 8500e 10600e 12800e type memory with latency 9 or 10 according the forums but not sure.
guide from apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4433#3
Memory possibilities as I see the fastest module actually now the cheapest or equivalent with the 8500e:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-4GB-1Rx8-PC3-10600e-M391B5273CHO-DDR3-ECC-Unbuffered-Ram-Memory-/111128795606?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item19dfcad9d6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4GB-RAM-Memory-for-HP-Compaq-Business-Z220-Convertible-Minitower-DDR3-12800-E-/190878185126?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item2c7139f6a6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4GB-RAM-Memory-for-Apple-Xserve-Xeon-2-66GHz-Quad-Core-DDR3-DDR3-8500-E-/190878167891?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item2c7139b353

So far so good but the following issues can occurs I can not find any proper response nor information in the guides about them.

There is a Thermal sensor modification I would need to do because of the standard CPU with cap? None of the guides mention that.
Someone had issue with the original Snow Leopard install disck after upgrading to 5.1? I have the 10.6  2Z691-6428-A version and it worked on all 1.1,2.1,3.1 Macs.
DVD rom not closing ? it seems after a few restart or PROM reset all fixed, anything else I should know about this issue if happens?

I think that is all, if you have any comments please let me know so I can buy the proper parts and approach the whole upgrade in confidence.

Thanks,
Zoltan



Read this thread:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1609476

The poster upgraded his 4,1 to a 5,1 and put in W5590 CPUs.  The CPU installation guide is really very good because of the lidless stock CPUs on the DP 4,1.  I also upgraded my MacPro to use the W5590s, but had a much easier time of it because I have a real 5,1 that uses the standard lidded CPUs.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: errorus on August 22, 2013, 10:16:18 PM
Thanks,
this CPU what I thinking now:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SLBF3-INTEL-XEON-CPU-QC-X5570-8M-CACHE-2-93-GHZ-6-40-GT-S-QPI-506012-001-/321188284233?pt=UK_Computing_Servers&hash=item4ac8504749&autorefresh=true


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: errorus on August 24, 2013, 10:43:15 AM
is it safe to play with different kind of ECC memories in a Mac pro? I mean 10600r 10600 10600f etc...?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on August 24, 2013, 07:57:41 PM
^^^^For best results your RAM should be matched as to speed, Manufacturer and whether ECC or not.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: errorus on August 24, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
so what kind of memory works in Mac Pro 4.1, 5.1?
According Apple I need e modules


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on August 25, 2013, 05:08:13 PM
You'll want DDR3-1333MHz ECC 240 PIN DIMMs.  My RAM supplier, since 1986, has been Data Memory Systems.  In all those years, I have never gotten a bad stock of RAM.  This includes my self as well as my clients.

http://www.datamemorysystems.com/apple-mac-pro-8-core-2-x-quad-core-intel-xeon-nehalem-2-93ghz-mb535ll/a-cto-early-2009-memory-upgrades/

http://www.datamemorysystems.com/apple-mac-pro-12-core-2-x-6-core-intel-xeon-westmere-2-66ghz-mc561ll/a-cto-mid-2010-memory-upgrades/

To utilize the faster RAM on a 4,1 you'll need to flash to a 5,1 and use a CPU that will recognize and utilize the 1333MHz speed.  However, the 1333MHz is interchangeable with the 1066MHz RAM and will work just fine, but run at the slower 1066MHz speed.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on September 13, 2013, 08:27:42 PM
hi guys. please help. this is not an off topic.
did any of you try 10.9 dp on your mac pro? i tried with 2 mac pro.
the first was a 4,1 2009 quad core with the 5,1flash.
the other was a 2010 8core with 2x5677 cpu upgrade. (5,1 original)
i noticed that when install 10.9 dp1 everythink is ok but after upgrading to dp4-5 or 6 systems shut down during the boot.
is it a software bug or is a cpu-efi implemented check on 10.9 mavericks?
sorry for my english, hope you understand


EDIT: just tried into a 5,1 original (without cpu upgrade, just stock configuration) and same issue so it is a software bug of the 10.9
bye


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: janzy on September 26, 2013, 03:05:03 PM
Just upgaded the firmware on my quad core 2009 machine.
I would like to upgrade the processor to a 6 core processor. Can I use any 6 core Westmere 1366 processor or does it have to be one that Apple lists being in the 2010 versions?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: JackoMac on September 26, 2013, 03:06:16 PM
I tried to search but is there any reason why a x5660 wouldn't work for this hack in a quad early '09 4,1 and enable my 1366 ram? I see a few guys trying a pair of them in place of their 8 cores, but I have a single CPU. Thx!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on September 26, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
Just upgaded the firmware on my quad core 2009 machine.
I would like to upgrade the processor to a 6 core processor. Can I use any 6 core Westmere 1366 processor or does it have to be one that Apple lists being in the 2010 versions?


With upgraded (5,1) firmware a six core (W36XX) Westmore intel processor will work just fine in your single CPU machine. 

I tried to search but is there any reason why a x5660 wouldn't work for this hack in a quad early '09 4,1 and enable my 1366 ram? I see a few guys trying a pair of them in place of their 8 cores, but I have a single CPU. Thx!

There has been some success of the 56XX series Intel Processors working in single CPU Mac Pros.  But, if it were me, I'd stick with the 3600 series.  And yes, the W3680 and W3690 will enable 1333 MHz RAM.  However, unless your machine has had it's firmware upgraded to the 2010 5,1 firmware the six core processor will not work nor will the increased RAM speed.

Lou

 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alienspy on October 12, 2013, 06:55:28 AM
Just wanted to help others out who were wondering --

I upgraded to Mavericks (GM) and it worked like a charm. I tried a clean install on a spare drive first just to make sure there would be no problems with the firmware.

I'm running a 2009 (4,1) machine, firmware upgraded to 5,1 and a single 6-core 3.33ghz westmere processor installed. Smooth sailing so far!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rockming on October 13, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
can i get mac pro1.1 to more new Firmware  ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on October 13, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
^^^^You can move your 1,1 Mac Pro to 2,1 firmware, but that's it.  Instructions are on this site.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SudoAptGet on October 14, 2013, 07:46:36 PM
Just upgaded the firmware on my quad core 2009 machine.
I would like to upgrade the processor to a 6 core processor. Can I use any 6 core Westmere 1366 processor or does it have to be one that Apple lists being in the 2010 versions?


I do not think that you are limited to the W3680 cpu that Apple uses in the six-core Mac Pro.

My understanding is that the i7-980 CPU will work, as well.  I don't know if that processor supports ECC ram, so you may need to use different ram if you go that route.


Title: A bit late in the game :)
Post by: themacmeister on October 19, 2013, 11:01:20 AM
I just got my octo- dual 2.26 4,1 Mac Pro, and I was VERY pleased to find this thread/download :D

I have already upped my RAM to 16GB 1066, so will stick with that for the time being (all ECC RAM).

I would like a dual hex-core upgrade, but some of the fastest processors are prohibitively expensive (I have only spent AUS$1350 with the RAM upgrade).

Am I stuck with E-series/X-series dues to QPI and dual-cpu? There are some good bargains on W-series, but will they work dual-cpu?

Are B1 Stepping CPUs fine if I am only going one way with the update (5,1) ?

I do not want to spend $1200 on a single CPU. More like that much for BOTH. ;)

Must admit, I am still a Mac Pro n00b, but I have read (entirely) the first 18 pages of this 41 page log thread. I am definitely learning as I go. :)

Any and all help greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wonderspark on October 20, 2013, 11:35:54 PM
As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.
Might be a silly question, but is it forbidden, disrespectful or otherwise frowned-upon to post this file on Mac Rumors, should someone ask for it, specifically? I mean no disrespect.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on October 22, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
I just tried to do the upgrade and got as far as holding the power button til the LED flashed. Afterwards it started updating the firmware but then stopped. It sat like this, with the progress bar not moving for a long time. I eventually had to power it down. Now when I go to start up it won't do anything. Even if I try holding the power button down, all it does is repeatedly flash and then nothing - no firmware update, no optical drive ejecting, nothing. What do I do now????? ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on October 23, 2013, 09:17:10 AM
You can try to use firmware restoration CD: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL976


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on October 23, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
I tried that. I can't get the computer to do anything other than power on. Just pressing the power button start the Mac. Fans and hard drive spin up but then just sits there lifeless. Holding the power button tip it flashes gets the same results. Do you think it's dead?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on October 23, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
If so, EFI chip must be desoldered, reprogrammed in standalone programmer and soldered back.
I'm afraid there's no other way to bring your MP back to life (except replacing the board).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kuau on October 24, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
OK so I have successfully updated my 2009 Mac Pro Quad Core  2.66 GHZ to 5,1BIOS running 10.9

I want to get a 6 core processor and 48 GB of RAM
If I go for the W3690 where is the best place to buy the 3 16BG 1333 ram from? and also if I do go with this processor do I have to run ECC ram?

If I go for the i7 980 which I saw posted in http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/09/20/mac-pro-2009-part-xix/ seems to work fine and does not need ECC RAM, again what ram would work.

Thanks Everyone



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: drnen101 on October 28, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
hrmm just tried this last night on my 2009 octo. When i brought up system profiler it still said 4,1 early 2009. Then i tried restarting again and flushing pram. Same thing.
my octo is getting a little long in the tooth and the new mac pro doesnt seem like a great option so Id love to get some new processors in here. Any ideas what i did wrong? I'm still running mountain lion if that means anything...


Title: hmmm, not working
Post by: themacmeister on October 29, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
I am in the same boat...

I updated, it did the whole thing, but it is still showing MacPro 4,1 and the old 4,1 boot rom.

I will try two PRAM resets, and see if that helps, but otherwise, some help would be appreciated :)

PS. I am using an SSD as boot drive on ASM1061 SATA 3 card... this is almost certainly the reason it is failing, correct??

OS X 10.8.5 Supplemental, 16GB RAM, Early 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 16GB RAM.


Title: Is this correct?
Post by: themacmeister on October 29, 2013, 08:50:03 AM
Sorry for the long text, but does this look correct?

Code:
udo /usr/sbin/bless -mount / -firmware "/System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates/MacProEFIUpdate15/EfiUpdaterApp2.efi" -payload "/System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates/MacProEFIUpdate15/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd" -options "-x efi-apple-payload0-data" --verbose
Password:
EFI found at IODeviceTree:/efi
GPT detected
No auxiliary booter partition required
System partition found
Preferred system partition found: disk2s1
Returning booter information dictionary:
<CFBasicHash 0x7f8c93b00670 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{type = mutable dict, count = 3,
entries =>
0 : <CFString 0x10e746e80 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "System Partitions"} = (
    disk2s1,
    disk4s1
)
1 : <CFString 0x10e747560 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "Data Partitions"} = (
    disk4s2
)
2 : <CFString 0x10e747580 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "Auxiliary Partitions"} = (
)
}

Substituting ESP disk2s1
Mounting at /Volumes/bless.YdjE
Executing "/sbin/mount"
Returned 0
Deleting contents of EFI cache directory
Creating /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE if needed
Deleting previous contents of /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE
Deleting /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/EfiUpdaterApp2.efi (143312 bytes)
Deleting /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd (4194304 bytes)
Opened dest at /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE//EfiUpdaterApp2.efi for writing
preallocation not supported on this filesystem for /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE//EfiUpdaterApp2.efi

/Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE//EfiUpdaterApp2.efi created successfully
Relative path of /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE//EfiUpdaterApp2.efi is \EFI\APPLE\FIRMWARE\EfiUpdaterApp2.efi
IOMedia disk2s1 has UUID 76A22842-9AE1-41D8-84CD-76BF8C4BAE88
Opened dest at /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd for writing
preallocation not supported on this filesystem for /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd

/Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd created successfully
Relative path of /Volumes/bless.YdjE/EFI/APPLE/FIRMWARE/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd is \EFI\APPLE\FIRMWARE\MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd
IOMedia disk2s1 has UUID 76A22842-9AE1-41D8-84CD-76BF8C4BAE88
Executing "/sbin/umount"
Returned 0
Setting EFI NVRAM:
<CFBasicHash 0x7f8c93b00820 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{type = mutable dict, count = 2,
entries =>
1 : <CFString 0x10e746ea0 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "efi-boot-next"} = <CFString 0x7f8c93b00b50 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "<array><dict><key>IOMatch</key><dict><key>IOProviderClass</key><string>IOMedia</string><key>IOPropertyMatch</key><dict><key>UUID</key><string>76A22842-9AE1-41D8-84CD-76BF8C4BAE88</string></dict></dict><key>BLLastBSDName</key><string>disk2s1</string></dict><dict><key>IOEFIDevicePathType</key><string>MediaFilePath</string><key>Path</key><string>\EFI\APPLE\FIRMWARE\EfiUpdaterApp2.efi</string></dict><dict><key>IOEFIBootOption</key><string>-x efi-apple-payload0-data</string></dict></array>"}
2 : <CFString 0x7f8c93b00b20 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "efi-apple-payload0"} = <CFString 0x7f8c93901ae0 [0x7fff79fd1110]>{contents = "<array><dict><key>IOMatch</key><dict><key>IOProviderClass</key><string>IOMedia</string><key>IOPropertyMatch</key><dict><key>UUID</key><string>76A22842-9AE1-41D8-84CD-76BF8C4BAE88</string></dict></dict><key>BLLastBSDName</key><string>disk2s1</string></dict><dict><key>IOEFIDevicePathType</key><string>MediaFilePath</string><key>Path</key><string>\EFI\APPLE\FIRMWARE\MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd</string></dict></array>"}
}

Hmmm, this still isn't working, even after manually running the shell script in Terminal :(


Title: Re: hmmm, not working
Post by: blacksheep on October 29, 2013, 11:05:30 AM
hrmm just tried this last night on my 2009 octo. When i brought up system profiler it still said 4,1 early 2009. Then i tried restarting again and flushing pram. Same thing.
my octo is getting a little long in the tooth and the new mac pro doesnt seem like a great option so Id love to get some new processors in here. Any ideas what i did wrong? I'm still running mountain lion if that means anything...
I am in the same boat...
I updated, it did the whole thing, but it is still showing MacPro 4,1 and the old 4,1 boot rom.
I will try two PRAM resets, and see if that helps, but otherwise, some help would be appreciated :)
PS. I am using an SSD as boot drive on ASM1061 SATA 3 card... this is almost certainly the reason it is failing, correct??
OS X 10.8.5 Supplemental, 16GB RAM, Early 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 16GB RAM.

Did both of you press and hold power button and release it right after power LED started to blink (before you've heard the tone)?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: drnen101 on October 29, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
yes. Should we wait til after the tone then?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: drnen101 on October 30, 2013, 04:15:21 AM
I've tried it 3x now. pushing button until it blinks, as well as holding til the beep. No dice regardless of how i try it


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: themacmeister on October 30, 2013, 04:42:01 AM
Yup, originally did it before the tone, and then twice after the tone...

I am using non-EFI graphics card, so black screen throughout, although it does take 3 or 4 minutes before starting up.

I have even tried copying the .fd file from the 2010 (EFI Recovery Disc 1.9), and still no success.

In the shell script, the last three digits of the ROM version are back-to-front... ie: .07B instead of .B07

Could that be affecting it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on October 30, 2013, 06:26:03 PM
Do you restart or shut down your MPs?
I presume that you're not getting Firmware update screen, i.e. grey screen with apple and progress bar.
Procedure that always works for me is:
– run the tool
– wait until it will finish and instructions window will appear
– shut down (not restart)
– push power button and hold it until LED starts to blink
– immediately (after few blinks) release the button - before the tone.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: drnen101 on October 30, 2013, 08:27:38 PM
thats exactly what I tried blacksheep.
Only difference being that since I'm running a pc radeon 6800 I dont get the grey screen.
That shouldnt really matter though should it?
I cant see it but considering it takes a couple minutes for my computer to start up again I was assuming that the firmware was being updated.
I guess i should try and dig out the old card that came with the initial purchase and see if that makes a difference.. but i dont see why the vid card would change things....


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kuau on October 30, 2013, 10:31:01 PM
Need some help...
Here is what I did.
I started with a 2009 Mac Pro 2.6 Quad Core 4,1
I then ran Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.app
No issues.
I then installed a W3680 Chip with 48 GB of ram. 3x16GB 1333MHZ
I rebooted the machine. When I go into "About this Mac" it show Mac Pro Early 2009
Processor 3.33 GHz- 6 Core Intel Xeon
Memory  48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC ??

I then went into Hardware Overview and it shows:
Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
Processor Name:   6-Core Intel Xeon

I tried a another reboot with command option PR hoping this would fix the RAM speed but it still shows:
Memory  48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC

Not 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC

Do I need to re run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.app again because I did the update before doing the CPU and RAM upgrade?
Thanks
Steven


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kuau on October 31, 2013, 12:34:22 AM
OK so I have successfully updated my 2009 Mac Pro Quad Core  2.66 GHZ to 5,1BIOS running 10.9

I want to get a 6 core processor and 48 GB of RAM
If I go for the W3690 where is the best place to buy the 3 16BG 1333 ram from? and also if I do go with this processor do I have to run ECC ram?

If I go for the i7 980 which I saw posted in http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/09/20/mac-pro-2009-part-xix/ seems to work fine and does not need ECC RAM, again what ram would work.

Thanks Everyone



So I went ahead and got the W3680 6 Core Chip and 48 GB of RAM 3 16GB 1333MhZ ECC Ram, everything is working except the RAM speed is still showing 1066 I tried everything, reset PRAM twice, I even did a SMC reset, unplug Mac Pro and hold down SMC button on the mother board, no go still shows Memory  48 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC anything else I can check? I am running OSX 10.9


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: drnen101 on October 31, 2013, 03:58:45 AM
quick update on my issues- I pulled the old mac efi card out of storage so i could watch the grey firmware load screen. This time it made it through (also opened my disk drive, which didnt happen before)
Now running a 5,1 mac pro :)
time to shop


Title: Great News!
Post by: themacmeister on October 31, 2013, 08:26:05 AM
That is great drden!

I no longer have an EFI card, but I have THREE PCI-e graphics cards which are candidates for a Mac compatible FLASH.

I have no access to a PC anymore, only the default Win7-64bit Boot Camp startup on the Mac Pro :(

If anyone can point me to a decent Mac/NVIDIA flashing site (I may even have a fanless Radeon HD 3450 somewhere too) -- that would be GREAT.

I wish I read all 43 pages here before giving away my Radeon HD 4870 MAC Edition!!!

<sigh>


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on October 31, 2013, 08:59:16 AM
drnen101: great that you got it working. And another tip for future readers: you need to have an EFI card to complete Firmware Update.
macmeister: most of Nvidia cards need bigger EEPROM to accomodate an EFI ROM. You'd have a more luck with ATI/AMD.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on October 31, 2013, 02:32:13 PM
Just bought a new backplane board and am trying the whole thing again. Current setup is 4,1 22.66GHz QC, 16GB, OEM ATi 5870. Loaded the firmware utility, shutdown when prompted and help the power button to load the firmware. Now I am stuck at the same screen as last time: the progress bar has stalled out at less than 10% and s just sitting there?

What is going on and what do I do now? I'm afraid to shut it off since the first time it happened, my Mac wouldn't start again afterwards.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on October 31, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
After over an hour of sitting there I had to power down. Same thing. No boot and the diagnostic LED shows that it cannot find EFI. I think maybe there's an issue with the firmware upgrade.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pjotr28 on November 13, 2013, 05:43:37 PM
Hi,

I'm having a bit of a problem after the firmware update using W3680 and a GTX 680 Mac Edition. With he GTX 680 I have random shut downs and screen freezes. PCI fan is around 1200. With the stock 4870 fans are okay but rarely I have a screen freeze, still can acces the mac via ethernet.

So before I reswap the CPU and bring back things as it was what I did:
- Ran ATH no prob
- Ran ASD no problem (although the EFI version told me that PCI fan speed was around 1150 should be around 800 I think?)
- Exchanged the GTX 680 with a new one
- Reinstalled OS X Mavericks on a complete new drive, took out all other drives and cards (still having problems)
- Replaced the internal battery
- SMC NVRAM resets
- Re-installed the CPU with new thermal paste (although temps in the mac seem normal)

Well I think i did almost anything I can think of. So what to do? Would a reflash of the firmware do any good or any other ideas.

TIA Peter



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: saebaryo on November 20, 2013, 06:48:54 PM
Hi, I am a newbie with a Mac Pro, and I have a question.  I have run the firmware update tool a few times with no success (possibly due to my video card not displaying boot screen??).  The last time I tried running the update tool, I come across an error 5530.  This happened as soon as ramdisk is created on desktop and the program began to download file.  Tried PRAM reset (didn't know if thats the right thing to do) with no success.  I bought this vintage Mac Pro hoping that I could upgrade to 6 cores and now I feel helpless not able to do the upgrade.  Please help.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FFder1. on November 22, 2013, 02:53:43 AM
Good evening, everyone!
First of all a huge THANK YOU! It is truly amazing, what cool stuff has been done in this area.

Now to my problem: I´ve bought a 4.1 Mac Pro with 8 cores 2 years ago. One year later I´d upgrated it with 2x 2.93 Quad Cores, 24GB 1333MHz RAM and a 6800 graphics card. So I decided to upgrade to the 5.1 ROM in order to use my RAM with the highest possible Mhz. Everything worked.

But recently my fans of the CPU unit starts to go nuts more fruequently. They are running on highest speed, although the temperature is average (60C).
In order to stop this, because it is quite annoying, I´ve done:
  • complete clean of the machine -> there is no dust anymore  ;)
  • PRAM, … resets
  • Used different Mac OS X operating systems: L, ML, Mavericks,…
  • Different software for fan control (and temperature control)
  • Searched the web without any success  :(

I also tried to search for something like a pattern of this fan-rising-thing, but i didn´t found any correlation. Quite interesting is, that the machine can work without this problem, but when it has started, it never goes back to normal fan frequency. A restart or a hibernating can change the fan frequency also.

If you have any idea, do not hesitate to write.
Best
FFder1.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on November 22, 2013, 06:41:06 AM
did you check the heatsink connectors?

maybe one is not quite seated and loses connection


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FFder1. on November 22, 2013, 07:14:18 AM
did you check the heatsink connectors?

maybe one is not quite seated and loses connection

Hey,
thanks for the answer. When I changed the CPUs, I was quite nervous about this point, because I read somewhere, that one should break this nib out of the bracing to compensate this 1mm distance because of this missing metal plate at the top of the 2008 mac pro cpus. But I did not do that. But if this would be the problem, than the fans should run always on high speed, shouldn´t they?
Is there any software tool to look up, what the errors are for the fan thing?
best


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: s5csimon on November 22, 2013, 11:20:56 AM
Currently running 10.9 on a 4,1 mac pro booting from a samsung ssd.  I have a nvidia quadro 4000 video card.  Cant get the firmware to update to 5,1.  Any ideas?  is it the video card I have?  I am noes to all of this, so I don't quite understand the video card problem.

Thanks for the help!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: saebaryo on November 23, 2013, 07:55:30 AM
OK, error eliminated. Now, on to installation.  Like e5csimon, I can't get the update tool to work.  I see the grey boot up screen, but I couldn't get to the progress bar.  All my mac pro does is reboot and back to desktop.  Am I missing something.  My video card is a Sapphire HD 7950


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: s5csimon on November 24, 2013, 07:39:23 AM
Saebaryo- I hunk we needs the specific video card that the Mac Pro came with? I know I upgraded mine...not sure if there is a work around or if I have to purchase the old card that I sold years ago.  Anyone please help us out..,

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: saebaryo on November 25, 2013, 07:58:30 AM
I put the original video card back, nothing.  I even reverted back to Snow Leopard, still nothing.  No progress bar, just reboot, grey screen with apple logo, circulating loading sign, and back to login.  I am thinking that may be "blessing" did not get done properly.  I am going to try replacing the PRAM battery.  After all, this used Mac Pro that I just bought is from 2009.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cococheaf on November 25, 2013, 04:01:23 PM
Hey,
this utility is extremely cool  8).
Unfortunately it's not working under Mavericks  :'(.
I updated a few months ago to 5,1 whe i was running 10.8.
I have to downgrade to do some checks because unter 5,1 EFI i can barely hear the startup-chime  >:(.
Also i have the HD6870 EFI PCI-Fan problem.

Maybe you could be so kind to update for use with Mavericks?  ::)

greets from austria


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thewranger on November 28, 2013, 06:38:50 AM
Sorry to be a newb pain in the a$$, but is there some sort of procedure to run this utility?

Well versed in PC/Windoze, but have only just scored my first MacPro. Would love a little guidance or a poke in the right direction.

Cheers!!

EDIT: I feel ashamed for asking now that I have seen it….. RIDICULOUSLY EASY!!!

Great Tool BTW, cheers guys!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: saebaryo on November 29, 2013, 08:39:55 AM
Still not able to get to the progress bar after running the utility and restart.  Feel frustrated after reading how others got this done so easily.  I have been trying on and off for the past month after buying a used 2009 Mac Pro from a Ebay seller.  Tried everything under the sun, and still nothing.  Don't know what I missed.  I read through every single post of the 44 pages to look for clues, even reverted back to snow leopard, and yet no success.  Had big plan on upgrading to 6 cores.  Now, I will probably just stick with the still potent original 4 cores, or maybe I will just upgrade to a faster 4 core, but I feel disappointed that I couldn't have the upgrade of my choice.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: saebaryo on December 01, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Finally got the utility to work.  Let me explain what I did.  Hopefully, this will help others.

Mine is a 2009 Mac Pro that was bought from eBay a month ago.  The plan is to upgrade this older Mac to 6 core.  The excitement have me upgraded many things before I thought about the firmware:  video card, SSD, generic "Cinema" display, bluetooth keyboard, Mavericks OS, etc.  Somehow, one of these changes prevented the utility to upgrade the firmware properly.  I tried reversing the changes I made one at a time with no success.  Finally, out of desperation, I took everything out and put all the original equipments back in, including going back to Snow Leopard (just in case),and it finally worked.  Since then, I have been able to put all the upgrades back into my Mac Pro, and the new firmware stayed unaffected.

Now, I can go shop for a 6 core CPU and some new RAM!  Thanks, MacEFIROM!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kazmuzik on December 10, 2013, 06:26:06 PM
Last night, I could successfully update the firmware on my Mac Pro 2009.

First, I could not see the progress bar, booting from 960GB SSD with Mavericks.
Changing to the old 500GB HDD with OSX 10.8.5, it succeeded.
I don't know why it matters.

MacEFIRom, thanks for the great tool !!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xenomusic on December 14, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
Hi Guys,

First, thank you for this thread and all the great info you all have shared over the years... it has been super helpful!

I wanted to share my little story with this, and how it partially succeeded, then ultimately failed to get to the level I wanted. Maybe someone else has had much better success, and I'd love to know if someone else did what I did and succeeded. Here's what I did:

1 - I bought used base 2009 Mac Pro 8-core in good shape. It had the two 5520 CPUs in it at 2.26GHz. Worked perfectly.

2 - I bought a pair of 2.93GHz X5570 CPUs -- the fastest that originally shipped the 2009 Mac Pro line. I thought this would be a very safe test.

3 - I followed the instructions carefully and managed to upgrade my system to the two X5570 CPUs without incident. How this is done is covered extensively here in this thread, etc.... I'll skip the details of the washers, thermal padding, etc... Needless to say, everything checked out fine and worked beautifully. I ran Prime95 torture test to really push the CPU and it worked fine. The temps were definitely hot under the Prime95 torture test, but still, it worked just fine. I had succeeded on a tiny budget to upgrade the 5520 CPUs to 5570 CPUs, and I didn't even need to use the firmware hack, since the X5570 chips were already supported by the 2009 firmware! Perfect!

4 - Feeling brave, I purchased two X5670 CPUs (2.93GHz 6-cores). But that would require the firmware hack.

5 - I installed the firmware hack from this thread (thank you!) and it worked perfectly the first time.

6 - I reset the PRAM, rebooted, and the memory was then recognized as 1333 - everything seemed fine once again. I was on a roll!

7 - I installed the two X5670 CPUs... everything seemed fine.

8 - I ran many tests, everything checked out fine. I thought I had succeeded. My geekbench score, for example, was exactly what it should have been for this type of configuration... everything was great! I was thrilled! But then I ran Prime95 torture test.... and watched the temps. The temps were BETTER than with the X5570 CPUs, so I thought I was in great shape. But NO! To my shock, the computer just belly upped, crashed and rebooted after about 10 minutes of Prime95 torture test. Ahhhhhh!

9 - Fearing that perhaps the RAM was bad, or that it didn't like running at 1333, because all other tests were fine, I ran memtest on the RAM, and it checked out fine. Then I ran Prime95 torture test again, and sure enough, it crashed/rebooted after about 10 minutes. Temps were hot, but still safe -- better than the 5570 temps.

10 - Then I tested, retested, and tested again, checking every RAM slot and DIMM, running other benchmarks, etc... and the X5670 chips and RAM were fine... BUT it would *still* crash on Prime95, after 7-10 minutes of the torture test.

11 - I even then did a fresh install of Mountain Lion, thinking that my installation might be corrupt. Nope. Then I did a fresh install of Mavericks. Nope. Everything seemed very stable with the X5670 chips EXCEPT when I ran Prime95 for 7-10 minutes.

12 - So I gave up. I cannot afford to have a system that is even slightly unstable under heavy load. While Prime95 torture test is an extreme situation, I regularly push my computer to the max, and 7-10 minutes of Prime95 should easily have been fine. The temps were good, everything else worked perfectly... but it just crashed/rebooted only on Prime95 torture test after 7-10 minutes.

13 - I removed the X5670 chips and reverted back to the X5570 chips, then downgraded the firmware back to Mac Pro 2009 4,1. I reinstalled Mountain Lion again from scratch, reset PRAM, etc.... then ran all the tests again, and the X5570 passed just fine -- it ran Prime95 torture test without a problem... as long as I wanted to run it! Hot, yes, but no crashing, no rebooting. Perfectly stable under torture test.

So I've given up on the firmware hack for now, and I've given up on the X5670 chips, which otherwise tested out perfectly, and with perfectly fine temps.

So I began to wonder if this firmware hack is really that stable after all, and wanted to ask your opinions about it. The fact is, that I would NOT have noticed a single problem with this machine (while using the X5670 chips), would it not have been for pushing it to its limit with the prime95 torture test.

Which makes me wonder if those of you who have successfully put in 2 six-core chips have run prime95 torture test to see if your systems are really 100% stable under that kind of stress test? Keep in mind that my upgraded machine was able to pass with flying colors all the other tests and benchmarks I threw at it... only Prime95 torture test caused the problem with the X5670 chips... whereas now, with the X5570 chips back in there, and reverted back to the 4,1 firmware, this computer handles Prime95 torture test without problems.

Any thoughts? Anyone run Prime95 torture test to see if they are really 100% stable?

If any of you have been able to get this working, I might be willing to try it again. If so, please let me know your ideas of why my attempt failed. But I'm pretty skeptical now... I just wonder if there isn't some other very subtle difference that the hacked firmware approach doesn't take into account.

Thanks in advance for any feedback, and thanks also to all the contributors of this thread!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on December 14, 2013, 08:28:19 PM
You have forgotten the crucial part of "scientific method" of testing.

You change ONE variable at a time to test.

So put 5,1 firmware on and run the test. If it only fails when the CPU changes you have the answer. If you think long and hard, you can even test the new CPUs while running RAM at 1066 speed.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xenomusic on December 14, 2013, 08:44:47 PM
Thanks for the feedback! I tried to use the scientific method as best as possible, but I'm sure I could have done much better. :)

I did try to eliminate one thing at a time while I had the X5670 chips in there. Frankly, I lost track of all the tests I tried, and the specific order. My recounting of the tale above is just a summary. But by the end, I felt that I had basically exhausted the process -- at least to my satisfaction of effort. Although, I admit, I could have been more scientific about it in some areas. I figured that if I had put that much effort (many, many hours), even if my testing was flawed, and I still couldn't achieve 100% stable performance under Prime95 torture test, I should give up. I was just too tired to do any more testing.

Plus, I had run out of Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste, and I was probably getting high from smelling all the fumes of cleaning the CPUs and heatsinks so many times. :)

That was a lot of work, and I just ran out of steam to troubleshoot more. And, I should mention, that I even tried two brands of RAM sticks too... including OEM Apple RAM from a 2010 Mac Pro. So when I put the X5570 chips back in, and it tested out just fine under the Prime95 torture test, I gave up on the X5670 chips.

Maybe one of the the X5670 CPUs was ever-so-slightly bad? I doubt it, since I did so many other tests... but then again, who knows? It could have been that one core panicked when it got too warm, even if the the temps were all safe. I even double-checked the seating of the heatsinks, and they were perfect, and the temps were fine... so I was (and am) truly perplexed why it failed the Prime95 torture test.

As for your suggestion of testing the X5670 chips with the RAM at 1066, I can't figure out how that would be done. Although, I guess if I installed the 5,1 firmware and didn't reset the PRAM, maybe the 1066 setting would stick?

Anyway, I'm pretty worn out from testing this myself, so I'd love to know if anyone has successfully run Prime95 torture test on their hacked 2009 machine and any other thoughts/comments.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macita on December 15, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
Good evening, everyone!
First of all a huge THANK YOU! It is truly amazing, what cool stuff has been done in this area.

Now to my problem: I´ve bought a 4.1 Mac Pro with 8 cores 2 years ago. One year later I´d upgrated it with 2x 2.93 Quad Cores, 24GB 1333MHz RAM and a 6800 graphics card. So I decided to upgrade to the 5.1 ROM in order to use my RAM with the highest possible Mhz. Everything worked.

But recently my fans of the CPU unit starts to go nuts more fruequently. They are running on highest speed, although the temperature is average (60C).
In order to stop this, because it is quite annoying, I´ve done:
  • complete clean of the machine -> there is no dust anymore  ;)
  • PRAM, … resets
  • Used different Mac OS X operating systems: L, ML, Mavericks,…
  • Different software for fan control (and temperature control)
  • Searched the web without any success  :(

I also tried to search for something like a pattern of this fan-rising-thing, but i didn´t found any correlation. Quite interesting is, that the machine can work without this problem, but when it has started, it never goes back to normal fan frequency. A restart or a hibernating can change the fan frequency also.

If you have any idea, do not hesitate to write.
Best
FFder1.

Check your ram…i had same probe and it was a ram chipset issue! Not recognized in any ram test..all was perfect but i changed my ram to 1033 MHz original apple and no more cpu fans speed craziness!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xenomusic on December 15, 2013, 06:51:56 PM
Good evening, everyone!
First of all a huge THANK YOU! It is truly amazing, what cool stuff has been done in this area.

Now to my problem: I´ve bought a 4.1 Mac Pro with 8 cores 2 years ago. One year later I´d upgrated it with 2x 2.93 Quad Cores, 24GB 1333MHz RAM and a 6800 graphics card. So I decided to upgrade to the 5.1 ROM in order to use my RAM with the highest possible Mhz. Everything worked.

But recently my fans of the CPU unit starts to go nuts more fruequently. They are running on highest speed, although the temperature is average (60C).
In order to stop this, because it is quite annoying, I´ve done:
  • complete clean of the machine -> there is no dust anymore  ;)
  • PRAM, … resets
  • Used different Mac OS X operating systems: L, ML, Mavericks,…
  • Different software for fan control (and temperature control)
  • Searched the web without any success  :(

I also tried to search for something like a pattern of this fan-rising-thing, but i didn´t found any correlation. Quite interesting is, that the machine can work without this problem, but when it has started, it never goes back to normal fan frequency. A restart or a hibernating can change the fan frequency also.

If you have any idea, do not hesitate to write.
Best
FFder1.

Check your ram…i had same probe and it was a ram chipset issue! Not recognized in any ram test..all was perfect but i changed my ram to 1033 MHz original apple and no more cpu fans speed craziness!

Also try rolling back to the 4,1 firmware, assuming your CPUs are X5570 chips, which is what I have. The 4,1 firmware supports that chip just fine. That's what I felt like I had to do after failing to get 100% stability with X5670 Westmere chips and the 5,1 firmware.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: airfoil on December 16, 2013, 01:19:35 AM
Hi there,
I also upgraded my 8 core 2,26 MAC to the 5.1 firmware. Everything seems to be working just fine, i guess i got lucky. I am running Mavericks, I got one blue ray drive and also a DVD both are working fine, and my Nvidia quaddro 4000.
right now, I am just running the usual applications i work with, such as Houdini, or Nuke, Photoshop... etc no hangups or anything.
I still have the old rams inside, and have not yet changed the CPU.... but I was wondering..
The MACPRo 5,1 was introduced in 2010 but was used until 2012... so i guess 6 core CPUS might work but only up to 2,93 GHz?

thx, for any input


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on December 20, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
What are the option when the firmware upgrade crashes or fails half way thru and the Mac Pro 4,1 is rendered not useable ? I have done about 30 of these, first one that crashed half way thru upgrade and now the machine seems completely unresponsive


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Spacedust on December 22, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
This HD6870 fault. Replace it with HD5870 and all will be fine.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: VWJetta on December 23, 2013, 03:27:46 AM
What are the option when the firmware upgrade crashes or fails half way thru and the Mac Pro 4,1 is rendered not useable ? I have done about 30 of these, first one that crashed half way thru upgrade and now the machine seems completely unresponsive

This is the problem I've encountered on 2 separate occasions. I believe the process fails rendering the EFI corrupted. I now have 2 junk backplane boards sitting collecting dust from a problem I've never had with the 30 or so that I've also successfully upgraded myself. ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: OrangeSVTguy on December 28, 2013, 06:44:24 AM
I'm having issues trying to update to 5,1 from 4,1. I currently lack an EFI graphics card so I am doing this blind, running dual titans. Everything seems to run as it should but just doesn't say 5,1. I've done PRAM resets. Have B07 boot rom.

Run the utility and follow the prompts. I shut the Mac and wait a few seconds.  Hit lower button and hold until the light rapidly starts to blink then let go. A couple seconds I hear the long tone. The a couple seconds later I hear the Apple Bong and it seems(doing this blind) to be updating the firmware as it will restart automaticly after a few minutes. I boot back to desktop and check system profiler and nothing has changed.

I might have an Apple GPU again soon so maybe I can see what's going on. I'm so anxious to get my 3690 installed :) thanks for any help or suggestions.

I don't remember reading about hearing the apple bong after the long tone so I'm wondering if it should be restarting after the bong?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macmann on December 29, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
I have a single processor 2009 MACPRO.  I upgraded the firmware without any issues.  I would like to have dual processor support.  What is the most cost effective way to doing this? 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macmann on December 30, 2013, 04:29:10 AM
Please correct me if I am wrong. 

I have a 2009 MACPRO with single processor.  I bought the following items:

1. New Processor Tray with Dual CPU's
2. TWO used Intel Six Core 2.8 processors
3. ATI Graphics Card Repacement
4. Silicon Pad
5. Two MM washers
6. 32GB Ram


Where can I get replacement heatsinks?  They are approx 600 bucks for a pair which I find insane.  Any other option for cooling?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on December 31, 2013, 03:12:28 AM
Ebay or DVWharehouse

Best to use DV to get part numbers and then search for them

Possible that 5,1 ones will work, but research that first, they may not


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: theAnt on January 10, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
*After shutting down, remember to hold down your power button as you restart. I was screwing up because I thought you had to hit the power button again sometime during POST. Of course, that just shuts the computer down. I almost went full retard there.

Thanks Netkas for getting my 7950 rom going and now the 5,1 upgrade.

Now to drop in my two 5660s.

Wish me luck.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 10, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
MacEFIRom: Thanks for breathing incredible new life into my Mac Pro 2009!

The new CPUs I selected have 50% more cores ( 12 vs 8 ), and every individual core is ~25% faster. In raw power, that's 8x2.26 GHz = 18.08 GHz total (before upgrade), and 12x2.8 GHz = 33.6 GHz total (after upgrade).

Benchmarks:

Old setup:
Mac Pro 4,1
Early 2009
CPU: 2x2.26 GHz (Xeon E5520) 8-core Nehalem
RAM: 24 GB (6x4 GB) 1066 MHz Triple-channel
GeekBench before: ~13980

Setup after the DIY upgrade:
Mac Pro 5,1
Mid 2012
CPU: 2x2.8 GHz (Xeon X5660) 12-core Westmere-EP/Gulftown
RAM: 24 GB (6x4 GB) 1066 MHz Triple-channel
GeekBench after: 27055 (almost double performance)

Compared to Mac Pro 2013 scores:
Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 2700 MHz (12 cores): 32912
My machine: 27055
Intel Xeon E5-1650 v2 3500 MHz (6 cores): 20589
Intel Xeon E5-1620 v2 3700 MHz (4 cores): 14602

My machine is now exactly in the middle of the top-2013 and the medium-2013 models. All from a cheap and easy CPU and firmware upgrade. I'm very impressed.


Why didn't I upgrade the RAM from 1066 to 1333 MHz?

There is absolutely no point at all. The most important thing is that you run your RAM in triple-channel, and that you have enough RAM to avoid disk swapping.

Switching from 1066 to 1333 MHz ram only adds 5-8% extra memory bandwidth (official number from Intel). That's memory bandwidth, NOT overall system power. Having 5-8% faster RAM chips ONLY gives 1-2% total system speed increase, which is ONLY 300-400 extra GeekBench points.

The fact is that NO REAL WORLD APPLICATIONS will saturate the bandwidth of 1066 MHz RAM, which can already transfer astronomical amounts of data per second!

Most real applications transfer only a few hundred megabytes into RAM, and then they do most of their work on the CPU, not in RAM!

Just look at these speeds and stop pretending like everyone needs 1333 MHz RAM:
* 1333 MT/s: 32 GB/s (10.6 GB/s per channel)
* 1066 MT/s: 25.5 GB/s (8.5 GB/s per channel)
* 800 MT/s: 19.2 GB/s (6.4 GB/s per channel)

So is there any case where I suggest 1333 MHz RAM? Not really. Only get it if you use applications that both fill up your RAM and read/write/modify it constantly, such as high-definition 4K resolution video compression. That's where the tiny, tiny RAM speed difference might give you 0.5-1 FPS faster rendering times since 4K videos are massive files.

But for games, music production, photo editing, and pretty much all other uses, there's zero reason to get 1333 MHz RAM. You will not feel a difference at all, except in your wallet (and in your imagination, if you are prone to placebo).


Why didn't I buy an SSD for my main drive?

Because they're expensive and low-capacity. A normal HDD writes and reads at around 140 MB/s. An SSD has numbers of around 300-500 MB/s instead.

But remember that a normal harddrive is easy to get in 2-3 Terabyte capacities, whereas SSDs are usually 128, 256, or 512 Gigabytes. Even with a 512 GB SSD, that's just 1/6 of the storage in a 3 Terabyte harddrive, and the SSD costs way, way, way more if you want a good brand (~5x as much as a regular drive).

Like with RAM, what matters is the amount of storage space, not if there's a tiny difference in speed.

Sure, a computer with an SSD may boot in 17s rather than 1 minute, and it may launch an application in 5s rather than 15s. But the thing is, that's ALL it will do for you.

After your application has been loaded into RAM from the disk, there is NO more benefit to an SSD, because as soon as all the code and data is in RAM it won't need disk access anymore.

So ONLY buy an SSD if you want faster boot times and app launch times and don't care about money, OR if you have an application that writes/reads data so fast to disk that it benefits from an SSD (I can't think of anything that needs 500 MB/s except for servers with lots of simultaneous users).

To almost 100% of people, SSDs are a nice BONUS for launch-speeds but pointless in real-world use.


And now to people who are stupid (which there are lots of), here are some general notes about doing the upgrade:

  • STOP saying that the firmware upgrade tool doesn't launch in Mavericks. It WORKS and runs perfectly!
  • After running the tool, reboot and follow APPLE's firmware instructions: "Hold down the power button until the power indicator light flashes, then release it. A long tone will be heard, then a gray screen with an Apple logo appears. There is a progress bar under the logo. As the progress bar moves, your firmware is being updated." Do NOT power off the machine while it updates, or you might kill your machine and will have to take it in to Apple for very expensive repairs.. It will automatically restart when the bar is near 90%.
  • Your machine gets a new UUID after flashing, and Time Machine won't recognize it and asks "This is a new computer. Do you want to inherit the Time Machine backup from your old computer?" - say YES. After that, Time Machine will work again.
  • This is a FIRMWARE upgrade. It CANNOT be screwed up by OS updates. Stop asking "Does the flashed firmware work on Lion/Mountain Lion/Mavericks/Whatever or will my machine go back to the older version?" - the answer is YES, it WILL WORK, and NO, it will NOT REVERT! This is a low-level HARDWARE-firmware upgrade that adds CPU support, and has nothing to do with the OS.
  • The ONLY difference between the 2009, 2010 and 2012 models of Mac Pro is the firmware version (4.1 in 2009, 5.1 in 2010 and 2012), the SMC fan-speed controller version (1.39f5 in 2009, 1.39f11 in 2010-2012), and a slight difference in CPU mounting. The latter two models use CPUs with integrated heatspreaders intact and a standard Intel-style CPU caddy. The 2009 model uses CPUs without heatspreaders and therefore needs the 2.2mm washers to avoid crushing the CPU. So upgrading your firmware means that you really DO get a REAL 2010/2012 model out of your 2009 model. It's the same hardware. Although if you sell it 2nd hand you have to admit that it's an upgrade, because "About This Mac" reads the serial number and says Mac Pro 2009.
  • Do NOT downgrade from the 5.1 firmware to 4.1 if your machine still contains CPUs requiring 5.1, or it becomes unbootable and will require time-consuming hardware repairs.


A useful list of resources about doing the CPU upgrades:

* http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg6072.html#msg6072 (Guide by Puier showing you the tools and the whole process. You don't need any other guide!)
* http://tim.id.au/laptops/apple/macpro/ (Mac Pro tech manuals. If this site ever goes down, just Google "Apple Technician Guide Mac Pro")
* http://pindelski.org/Photography/mac-pro/ (I'm giving him a special mention because this guy is obsessive-compulsive and slightly retarded and goes overboard almost to the point of mental illness with his huge walls of text, massive amounts of "articles" (like 25 of them?), and his awful misinformation - all you truly need is 2.2mm washers, 3 or 5mm thick silicon thermal pad strips, and a cutout for the fan connector. Take everything this guy says with INCREDIBLY HUGE amounts of salt, as he did SO MUCH wrong and is a perfect example of a mentally insane, clueless person who neurotically obsesses over details without really understanding things. Here's some of his stupidity: Here he assumes that the 2010 Mac Pros used the 130 watt (http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/) "W-series" CPUs from 2009, when a simple Wikipedia search could have told him what they really used; for someone who writes so fucking much he can't do any reading of his own. In an even more stupid move, he then buys two outdated 130 Watt CPUs for his dual-CPU Mac Pro, whose CPU slots are only intended for 95 Watts each, meaning that he puts 37% electrical overload on his system per-CPU-slot and causes his fans to run at 1800rpm instead of 1100rpm. Add a beefy graphics card and his power supply will burn up. Then he goes on a tirade against "Engineering Samples" and how hard it is to find a real CPU on eBay, which was true 3-4 years ago when they were brand new but not now. Next he refuses to install washers because he thinks they "rattle" (what is he, stupid? get flat "peel washers" and tighten them down, there is absolutely zero way they can rattle) - this puts his entire computer at risk; I almost want to go into his home and tighten his screws a bit more to crush his CPU just because he refuses to install protective washers and then tells other noobs to repeat his mistake. He also installs blue Loctite threadlocker which is totally pointless and was only installed by Apple as a way of checking if people have unscrewed the heatsinks and voided their warranty. There's so many other errors, like the laughable way in which he assumes that different Mac Pros may have different thickness of their heatsink screws (they're machined parts, they're ALL the same thickness), and then guesses that maybe the Intel CPUs vary in thickness too... Almost every word of what he says is misinformation.)


No matter what guide you follow, remember THESE rules if you have a dual-cpu Mac Pro 2009 (they came without IHS heatsinks on the CPUs):

* You MUST flash to firmware 5.1 BEFORE you switch to newer CPUs, or the system will be unbootable.
* You MUST raise the heatsinks by 2.2-2.5mm via washers so that you avoid crushing the CPU and destroying your motherboard.
* You MUST NOT overtighten the screws, even when using washers! Hand-tighten them very gently and don't be afraid to leave a small gap between the heatsink and the washers; even the stock machine has a small gap between the heatsink and the pegs/posts. Your washers are just your emergency-rescue against idiocy! What matters is that you tighten with the CPU LID as your tightness reference, NOT the washers! Just a couple of turns will hold the heatsinks in place. You don't want to crush the CPU!
* You MUST cut out room for the fan connectors, because if they don't connect your Case fans will run at 100% speed to compensate for what it thinks is a dead CPU-fan.
* You MUST add extra-thick thermal strips for the voltage regulators, so that the heat they generate transfers to the heatsink.
* Do NOT attempt to remove the IHS (integrated heat spreader) "lid" on your Xeon CPUs. They are workstation CPUs with SOLDERED lids (directly onto the cores) that CANNOT be removed using common de-lidding techniques and you'll kill your processor. Even professional electrical engineers with heatbeds have destroyed these CPUs while attempting to remove the lids. Also note that unlike consumer-CPUs, the soldered server-level Xeon CPUs do not benefit temperature-wise from de-lidding because the heat-contact is already practically perfect thanks to the tight soldering. So keep the lids on and follow the above 5 rules!
* If you install faster RAM, you MUST perform a PRAM reset to re-setup the system to enable the faster speeds. You don't need to do this step if you aren't changing RAM.

Fail to do these things and you WILL fuck things up. Don't be an idiot.


What CPUs are compatible:

* They must be Socket 1366 (FCLGA1366). The best available are 6-cores.
* For a single-CPU system you MUST get a single-QPI CPU.
* For a dual-CPU system you MUST get two dual-QPI CPUs.
* No matter which CPU you select, you MUST go to http://ark.intel.com/ and type in the name of it, to verify that it has the correct number of QPI links for your single-CPU or dual-CPU system and that it supports the RAM-speed you desire.
* Your CPUs must NOT exceed 130 Watt TDP for the single-CPU system, or 95 Watt TDP for the dual-CPU system, because the power supply & fans in the Mac Pro aren't meant for anything higher than that.
* The Nehalem CPU series comes in two variants: The 45nm Nehalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)) from 2009 (model numbers x55##, such as W5580), and the 32nm Westmere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmere_(microarchitecture)) die-shrink from 2010 (model numbers x56##, such as X5660). The latter Westmere series is the one you want. It's the one that offers 6-core CPUs, higher clockspeeds and lower temperatures! Even better, the 2010 Westmeres added the AES-NI instructions for hardware-acceleration of AES encryption, which means that you can run FileVault 2 whole-disk encryption on your Mac Pro with almost no performance penalty anymore! That's of great value to people in professional fields that don't want their data to get out if their Mac Pro is stolen!
* You can look at the official Mac Pro 2010-2012 (5.1) CPU selections for inspiration, but you don't HAVE TO follow the choices that Apple made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Pro#Specifications


What CPUs are compatible (Part 2, Intel's identification letters for the 2010 Westmere 32nm 5600-series family):

L = QPI LINKS: 2 (for Dual-CPU systems). Thermal design power (expected power draw with a 100% CPU load running normal software) of 60 watts or less. These are the "low voltage" chips and come in slower clockspeeds than all the other chips. Apple does not use these and they are NOT recommended.

E = QPI LINKS: 2 (for Dual-CPU systems). TDP of 80 watts. Intel refers to the Xeon 5500/5600s with this letter prefix as the "basic" line, and as a result the idle power draw on these chips is frequently worse than any of the other series of chips, despite the other chips possibly having a higher full-load power draw. Apple uses pairs of these as their cheapest, entry-level CPUs in their dual-CPU systems. They've got mid-range clock speeds and are NOT recommended unless you find a great price on them and don't care about buying the absolute best CPUs.

X = QPI LINKS: 2 (for Dual-CPU systems). TDP of 95 watts. These are the "premium" server/workstation chips as their TDP (heat) is not so excessive that they are difficult to cool in a rack server, and their idle power consumption is far lower than the E-series chips. Apple uses these premium CPUs in all of their CPU upgrade options for their dual-CPU systems, and they are the absolute best Xeons that you can find. They have incredibly high clock speeds and extremely low power consumption. Warning: A handful of the fastest in the X-series are 130 watt and shouldn't be used!

W = QPI LINKS: 1 (for Single-CPU systems). TDP of 130 watts and higher. These are the warmest Xeons made and they are designed to be used in desktop workstations and for single-CPU pedestal servers that have room for better cooling and power supplies than an average 1U or 2U rack server.  Apple uses these in their single-CPU systems, since they're the only type available with 1 QPI link.


Here are the parts required to upgrade a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1's CPUs:

  • A firmware upgrade to Mac Pro version 5,1, to add support for the new CPUs. Must be done BEFORE swapping the CPUs. Do it carefully and don't interrupt the flashing process. See the first post in this thread for the download (you must be registered to see the link).
  • 1-2x New CPUs (of course).
  • 1x Silicon Thermal Pad, of 3-3.2mm thickness for extension or 5mm for total replacement. Get 10x10 cm pads so that you have room to cut out the two strips you need (each strip you need is ~10cm long but not very wide). Many people that do this mod get 2mm pads but that's WAY too THIN and will leave airgaps, especially after compression, so DON'T use that or you won't sufficiently cool your voltage regulators meaning your system might die within a few years of use! Get 3-3.2mm pads, and just lay the 3mm thick pads on the voltage regulator chips, and they'll bridge the gap to the existing pink 2mm pads on the heatsinks. Some people try to find 5mm pads for a total replacement, but that's nearly impossible since it's a very uncommon thickness, and it's also more difficult since it requires gluing the new pads to the heatsink. The good news is that stacking a 3mm pad on top of the voltage regulators works perfectly and provides practically identical thermal transfer thanks to them being packed tightly together. I chose a 3.2mm pad of real silicon, which compresses itself to the perfect size and bridges the gap tightly. It's better to get a thicker pad than a too thin one which leaves airgaps and provides insufficient cooling! If you are patient and ok with waiting for 1-4 weeks, I recommend this chinese seller with free shipping: 3mm silicone pad (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-100mmx100mmx3mm-GPU-CPU-Heatsink-Cooling-Thermal-Conductive-Silicone-Pad-/200787196360). Whatever you do, be sure that you buy REAL silicon pads to transfer heat the best. You don't wanna fry the voltage regulators and need a $400 repair in your expensive machine, just to save a few dollars on cheap, shitty non-silicon thermal pads! People have killed their machines after 1-2 years of use with thin/cheap pads; so again, my recommendation is a ~3mm thick REAL silicon thermal pad, stacked on top of the voltage regulators, so that it compresses nicely and perfectly bridges the gap.
  • 1x 3mm Hex/Allen wrench, OR a Torx T15 screwdriver/wrench if you can't find a Hex wrench, either one of them works and have the exact same dimensions. It needs to have a thin shaft of at least 7.5cm length so that it fits all the way down. And use a screwdriver that's not thicker than 5mm along the shaft, meaning that those interchangeable "bit-sets" are way too wide to fit into the heatsink holes.
  • 1x Thermal paste for the CPUs. Most people have no imagination and just go with "Arctic Silver 5", but there's lots of equivalent brands on the market: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Roundup-172/ I picked the Gelid GC-Extreme. Choose whichever one is in stock!
  • 16x 1.1mm-thick M4 washers (it simply has to fit on top of the M4 bolt which is 4.1mm inner diameter so anything with ~4.4mm inner diameter is good), and most importantly 1.1mm thickness. You need two for each cooler post, 4 posts per CPU; and you must be completely sure that they add ~2.2mm height total (absolutely not any higher than 2.5) to completely protect the CPU during tightening! In my case, I could actually only get 0.8mm washers so I ordered 24 instead and put 3 on each pad for a total height of ~2.4mm which is extremely close to the exact height added by the CPU's IHS (heatspreaders/lids). Another guy did 2.5mm with no problem, but don't go higher! Use calipers to measure that you have reached the intended lift level. See below quote for the exact size to aim for:

The difference in height between the non-IHS CPUs and the normal CPUs with IHS attached is 2.24 mm (0.088 inch). I found some M4 x 9 washers that I sorted thru and found groups of 3 that were that height, +/- 0.03 mm (about 0.001 inch).

Thanks again to MacEFIRom for the fantastic upgrade! My Mac Pro 2009 is now a 2012 model with performance that exceeds 2 of the 3 new Mac Pro 2013s!

This combines all info from over 12 hours of reading every reply in this thread + other forums + various articles + having lots of hardware and electrical engineering experience + not being an idiot. I hope to save other people's time and to help them not be idiots either. Just follow the checklists above and enjoy!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 10, 2014, 11:42:18 PM
Now to drop in my two 5660s.

Wish me luck.

Good luck. Just relax and follow the guides :) You can check my post above if you need picture steps.

By the way I find it funny that this thread has been silent for over 2 weeks, and then you and I both post at the same exact time now:

« Reply #665 on: Today at 11:37:58 PM »
« Reply #666 on: Today at 11:39:24 PM »


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 11, 2014, 03:03:26 PM
Okay, I've spent a few hours rewriting my guide. Everyone, feel free to link to it if people need help:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg24313.html#msg24313


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on January 11, 2014, 05:11:33 PM

W = QPI LINKS: 1 (for Single-CPU systems). TDP of 130 watts and higher. These are the warmest Xeons made and they are designed to be used in desktop workstations and for single-CPU pedestal servers that have room for better cooling and power supplies than an average 1U or 2U rack server.  Apple uses these in their single-CPU systems, since they're the only type available with 1 QPI link.


This is partially wrong. There are W Xeons with 2 QPI links: W5560, W5570, W5580 and W5590.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: theAnt on January 11, 2014, 06:29:46 PM
Got my 2009 12-core working!!!

I primarily used Pindelski's write up and many macrumors threads and am indebted for all the advice.

The mechanic side of me wanted to use washers but in the end I counted my turns as he suggested…being very conservative and actually undertightening initially. I agree with the above-- take everyone's advice with a grain of salt.

I used a different (powered) usb 3 card and didn't need to disassemble the processor cage to install the airport card. If you've worked inside an iMac or Mac Mini...it's easy. I tried the Apricorn card many use but mine was DOA and I sent it back to egghead. I'll try that again later as I'm OK, for now, booting my SSD off bay #1.

     



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 11, 2014, 07:35:02 PM

W = QPI LINKS: 1 (for Single-CPU systems). TDP of 130 watts and higher. These are the warmest Xeons made and they are designed to be used in desktop workstations and for single-CPU pedestal servers that have room for better cooling and power supplies than an average 1U or 2U rack server.  Apple uses these in their single-CPU systems, since they're the only type available with 1 QPI link.


This is partially wrong. There are W Xeons with 2 QPI links: W5560, W5570, W5580 and W5590.

Nah man, it's not wrong.  ;)

The CPUs you list are the 45 nanometer previous generation Nehalems from 2009, the 55xx series. They produce more heat, have less clock speed, and are only available in quad-core at best.

The CPUs that we are interested in is the 32 nanometer generation Westmeres from 2010, the 56xx series. They are faster, produce less heat, available in six-cores, have AES-NI encryption built in, and follow the naming rules I explained.

Got my 2009 12-core working!!!

I primarily used Pindelski's write up and many macrumors threads and am indebted for all the advice.

The mechanic side of me wanted to use washers but in the end I counted my turns as he suggested…being very conservative and actually undertightening initially. I agree with the above-- take everyone's advice with a grain of salt.

Congrats dude! :) Isn't it awesome to have super fast machines again for almost no money at all!? Now we know why Apple doesn't want us to upgrade processors: It allows us to skip paying for new machines from them, hehe. My machine is now in-between 2013's new mid- and top-level trashcan models, and it just cost me about $600 in total for all cpus, parts, etc.

And yes, it's fine to count turns if you are really careful, but then later you might sell the machine and then the next person does something and overtightens them - byebye CPUs and motherboard.

The lid adds 2.24mm, so washers in the range of 2.2 to 2.5mm provide a safety layer. The heatsink is actually completely flush against the CPU even with washers, and they're just there as a security layer to avoid accidental damage since it's impossible to overtighten them. But even with washers, you won't actually tighten things so much that the washers "do their thing"; in my setup there's a 0.3ish mm gap between the heatsink and the washers, and that's with the heatsink completely flat against the CPU lid.

I don't know what Pindelski has against washers. He says that they rattle... They don't. Why would they? He's a bit of an odd fellow, but I appreciate that he took the time to take photos, even if his guide is extremely full of misinformation and dangerous advice. Just because someone has a domain name, a blog and pretty pictures doesn't make them an authority on whatever they're blogging about, hehe. ;)

The funniest/saddest thing is that he has installed 2x130 Watt CPUs from 2009 (the outdated Nehalem series instead of the newer 2010 Westmere CPUs) in his Mac Pro's slots. Those slots are rated for a maximum of 2x95 Watt CPUs, meaning that his CPU choice overloads the Power Supply by 37% per processor as well as producing much more heat and causing higher fan speeds at 1800rpm instead of 1100rpm (and possibly failing to be properly cooled). And then this fool has the nerves to charge people money to do this damage to other people's systems! He has a "service" (more like "destroy my computer, please") where people can send in their computer to get one back that has 2x ancient 130 Watt (which can fry the PSU or overheat) Nehalem CPUs from 2009 (which lacks 2010 Westmere features such as hardware-accelerated encryption / AES-NI), too-thin 2mm thermal pads (which provides insufficient cooling for the voltage regulators), as well as of course not having any washers (so the moment someone tightens the screws it's byebye motherboard). Funny guy...

It's kind of him to want to share his photos and process, but I don't think people like him should present themselves as having the facts when they're really just newbies. He's a photographer that stumbled into this stuff and has no clues about how much damage he is doing, really...  :P


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: theAnt on January 11, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Got my 2009 12-core working!!!

I primarily used Pindelski's write up and many macrumors threads and am indebted for all the advice.

The mechanic side of me wanted to use washers but in the end I counted my turns as he suggested…being very conservative and actually undertightening initially. I agree with the above-- take everyone's advice with a grain of salt.

Congrats dude! :) Isn't it awesome to have super fast machines again for almost no money at all!? Now we know why Apple doesn't want us to upgrade processors: It allows us to skip paying for new machines from them, hehe. My machine is now in-between 2013's new mid- and top-level trashcan models, and it just cost me about $600 in total for all cpus, parts, etc.

And yes, it's fine to count turns if you are really careful, but then later you might sell the machine and then the next person does something and overtightens them - byebye CPUs and motherboard.

The lid adds 2.24mm, so washers in the range of 2.2 to 2.5mm provide a safety layer. The closer to 2.24 the better, but we're talking such small spaces that it will be taken up by thermal paste anyway, so it's no big deal to go over by a little bit. Mine ended up at 2.4mm, which is equivalent to undertightening, but with zero risk of accidental damage since it's impossible to tighten them further.

I don't know what Pindelski has against washers. He says that they rattle... They don't. Why would they? They're clamped very tightly between the pegs and the heatsink. He's a bit of an odd fellow, but I appreciate that he took the time to take photos, even if his guide is extremely full of misinformation and dangerous advice. Just because someone has a domain name, a blog and pretty pictures doesn't make them an authority on whatever they're blogging about, hehe. ;)

The funniest/saddest thing is that he has installed 2x130 Watt CPUs from 2009 (the outdated Nehalem series instead of the newer 2010 Westmere CPUs) in his Mac Pro's slots. Those slots are rated for a maximum of 2x95 Watt CPUs, meaning that his CPU choice overloads the Power Supply by 37% per processor as well as producing much more heat and causing higher fan speeds (and possibly failing to be properly cooled). And then this fool has the nerves to charge people money to do this damage to other people's systems! He has a "service" (more like "destroy my computer, please") where people can send in their computer to get one back that has 2x ancient 130 Watt Nehalem CPUs from 2009 (which can fry the PSU or overheat), too-thin 2mm thermal pads (which provides insufficient cooling for the voltage regulators), as well as of course not having any washers (so the moment someone tightens the screws it's byebye motherboard). Funny guy...

It's kind of him to want to share his photos and process, but I don't think people like him should present themselves as having the facts when they're really just newbies. He's a photographer that stumbled into this stuff and has no clues about how much damage he is doing, really...  :P
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Yes, it feels awesome. And I didn't want the x5680 or x5690 because they are 130W, too. He seems overly enamored with the whole mac pro design and all. I find it sad Apple never put USB3, SATA3, or TB in these machines until the new MP. The only thing that concerned me about the washers was applying the proper torque. Crush washers are soft and made to give a little under the proper torque. Using washers (nylon, brass or copper), requires a torque wrench. I guess everyone is going by feel and just stopping where you can no longer turn your wrench. I dunno, it worked out for me counting turns. I'm happy.     


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 11, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
Yes, it feels awesome. And I didn't want the x5680 or x5690 because they are 130W, too. He seems overly enamored with the whole mac pro design and all. I find it sad Apple never put USB3, SATA3, or TB in these machines until the new MP. The only thing that concerned me about the washers was applying the proper torque. Crush washers are soft and made to give a little under the proper torque. Using washers (nylon, brass or copper), requires a torque wrench. I guess everyone is going by feel and just stopping where you can no longer turn your wrench. I dunno, it worked out for me counting turns. I'm happy.    

Yep, Apple were secretly working on the new Mac Pro 2013 model which explains why they didn't update the 2009 model's hardware, and instead just put in a few new CPUs in 2010 and 2012. Thunderbolt requires motherboard changes so it was out of the question for them, and USB3 hadn't taken off yet so I guess they saw no need for it. At least we can add USB3 PCI-e cards if we want to.

As for the washers issue, I recommend regular, flat "peel washers", not crush washers. That way you are guaranteed the right thickness on every peg.

Note that all of the mounting pegs in the Mac Pro are the exact same height and thickness and that the bolts are designed to stop where the the pegs flange outwards. By adding some flat "peel washers" to raise the bottom of the pegs by 2.2-2.5 millimeters, you ensure that you can tighten the bolts without fear of crushing the CPU. You won't need a torque wrench.

I ended up at 2.4mm, whereas the lid only adds 2.24mm. But here's the thing (and this is something nobody else has mentioned): The DEFAULT installation of 2x lidless CPUs in the Mac Pro 2009 is actually not perfectly flat. The mounting posts/pegs for the heatsink are 0.3-0.5ish millimeters LOWER DOWN than the top of the lidless CPU. Which means that the DEFAULT, UNMODIFIED Mac Pro 2009 actually has a tiny risk of overtightening too! It doesn't matter if you've got a stock machine or a modded machine - your tightness reference should be the CPU lid. The washers/pegs are just there as a safety barrier against stupidity.

So what do my 2.4mm washers do? Well, first, the new lidded CPUs add 2.24mm, so I add 2.4mm, which makes it so that my pegs are almost flush with the CPU lid, so that there's no way I can destroy the CPU by overtightening.

My point is this: Put some washers on the pegs and don't overtighten, no matter what.


In the end, whether you use washers or not (I massively recommend it), what matters is whether your system stays cool and works properly. The only purpose of the screws is to stop the heatsinks from falling off. Just hand-tighten them until the moment the screw goes from loose to slight resistance, and stop. Don't tighten any of the bolts more than mere looseness. That's the best choice. Just run a temperature test and do some stress testing to see what kind of temperatures you get. If things are nicely mounted and conducting heat properly, your CPUs will be the proper temperature. :)

This was more general advice for other people in the thread.

Congrats again on our upgraded Macs! I'm off!  :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on January 17, 2014, 10:01:08 PM

Possible that 5,1 ones will work, but research that first, they may not

heatsinks on the dual 2009 vs 2010/12 are different you cannot use a 09 heatsink on a 2010 or 2012 model….

what I want to know I have done may be 14 machines so far mixed dual and single cpu 2009's… and now I have a unit that just won't update to 5,1 I hold the power button… flashing lights chime, boots, starts firmware and immediately crashes and reboots doesn't brick the logic but reboots to 4,1… tried different graphics card 120, 4870, FX 4800… different HD… can't figure it out. trying this in 10.7…

also are they T15 nuts that hold down the heatsink or are they 3mm … been using 3mm seems to work fine never been able to look inside I guess I have to tear apart an old heatsink to find out.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cc840a on January 19, 2014, 01:11:20 AM
Quote
also are they T15 nuts that hold down the heatsink or are they 3mm … been using 3mm seems to work fine never been able to look inside I guess I have to tear apart an old heatsink to find out.

According to the Apple Technician Guide, the tool required is a "Long-handled, 3 mm flathead hex driver", or the 3mm so-called Allen wrench, so I agree with you on this one.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aitte on January 19, 2014, 07:39:35 PM
Quote
also are they T15 nuts that hold down the heatsink or are they 3mm … been using 3mm seems to work fine never been able to look inside I guess I have to tear apart an old heatsink to find out.

According to the Apple Technician Guide, the tool required is a "Long-handled, 3 mm flathead hex driver", or the 3mm so-called Allen wrench, so I agree with you on this one.

You're right, I found the 2009 guide at http://tim.id.au/laptops/apple/macpro/ and it does say "Hex wrench".

The confusion has come from the fact that the older Mac Pros from 2008 and before used Torx T15 heads, at least from what I've seen online. It's a standard that Apple has used since the early Apple II days. So since the 2008 model used T15, some people have assumed that the new Mac Pros do as well.

Here's the thing, though: A Torx T15 head is 3mm in diameter (side-to-side) which is the exact same thing as a 3mm Allen/Hex wrench. And the ridges are in the exact same places. So either one works.

That's what has added to the confusion. Because EITHER a 3mm Allen/Hex OR a Torx T15 screwdriver will work equally well in the Mac Pro 2009! It doesn't matter which one you use.

----> I have updated the guide to clarify that you can use both types: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.660.html#msg24313

Please refer people to that guide when they have questions, because it covers literally everything there is to know, in one place. Everything about preparation, firmware, tools & materials, CPU selection, RAM/SSD advice, guide steps, etc. It's all there, and saves people from having to read the scattered info in the nearly 700 replies in this thread.

Edit: It's time for me to say goodbye. On a fun sidenote, I just discovered that I am the #1 score for the Xeon X5660 processor on Geekbench by almost 500 points. I don't know why. Anyway, that's fun! I am going to leave this forum now since my work here is done. Enjoy the tutorial, guys! http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=platform%3A%22Mac%22+processor%3A%22Intel+Xeon+X5660%22+bits%3A64&sort=multicore_score (My score is the 27055: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/354539) - Oh and this is perfect proof for what I was saying about RAM speeds. I use 1066 MHz RAM because 1333 MHz is only 1-2% speed difference in actual CPU tasks, since most tasks are CPU-bound, not RAM-bound. So guys, don't waste money on RAM upgrades unless you really care about paying for stuff that makes almost no difference. Many other results in that list of X5660 users are using 1333 MHz RAM, and I beat them all with my 1066 MHz RAM.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on January 20, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
Still stuck with a 4,1 that I cannot seem to upgrade to 5,1 having done about 10+ machines I should know how it's done. Every other machine I have tried works except this one. It reboots you see the progress bar for one second on the screen and it shuts down to reboot normal to finder and show 4,1…. the bar never progresses the shutdown is instant. Very weird…. tried Gt 120 and 4870…. as GPU… tried 2.66 Quad core and 2.26 8 core…. all with the same result. POS


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on January 20, 2014, 09:39:23 PM
jack, try to make this computer as vanilla as it can be. No add-ons + Apple EFI card. Try another HDD if it won't help. EFI updater is loaded on EFI partition of your OS disk and runs from there after reboot. If there's any "problem" with HDD/partition it may cause described behavior.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on January 22, 2014, 10:30:27 PM
Strange it's the same HD I used on another Mac Pro, will try some sort of other HD floating around the shop…. Now I am running into 8 core x5680 that have high fans and not because os SMC version revision issue but because CPU B heatsink / Temp Diode is not registering. And not just on one unit but on a bunch of them….. weird stuff will report back soon.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rdewey on January 24, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
I'm getting an error when running the tool that says I am not connected to the internet. In fact I am, but I am behind a company firewall which is fixed in Safari by entering proxy settings. Any way to get the firmware upgrade tool to use these proxy settings?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tris on January 27, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
Hello everyone,

I am new here and would appreciate some help or advice. I have the 2009 model and perfectly upgraded the firmware from 4,1 to 5,1. Have the 2x2.93 quadcore configuration. I purchased the a new completed tray from a 2010 Mac pro that has 2 x 3.33 sixcore
X5680 with 64GB ram
. Computer start up and works just fine but the fan runs at full-speed and wont stop.
TO be clear all I did was switch trays no other technical work other the Zap PRAM and such.

Thanks in advance to anyone that could help out.

Update::::
Never Mind I just went out and bought a 2010 Mac Pro!!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on January 28, 2014, 06:33:31 PM
Hello everyone,

I am new here and would appreciate some help or advice. I have the 2009 model and perfectly upgraded the firmware from 4,1 to 5,1. Have the 2x2.93 quadcore configuration. I purchased the a new completed tray from a 2010 Mac pro that has 2 x 3.33 sixcore
X5680 with 64GB ram
. Computer start up and works just fine but the fan runs at full-speed and wont stop.
TO be clear all I did was switch trays no other technical work other the Zap PRAM and such.

Thanks in advance to anyone that could help out.

Update::::
Never Mind I just went out and bought a 2010 Mac Pro!!!!

you bought the wrong upgrade you cannot use 2010 tray in 09 machine or vise versa or you will have your fans run at 100%, if you still have that 2010 tray you bought I might be interested in it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: M4rc.13br3t on February 02, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
Upgrade to 5.1 is OK on my "4.1" MacPro.

Worked from SSD Maverick system disk on PCI card,

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MonkeyChe on February 02, 2014, 09:11:27 PM
About to buy 2x of these: INTEL XEON SIX HEX CORE SLBV6 X5660 2.83GHz 12MB 6.4GT/s LGA 1366 CPU PROCESSOR for my 5,1 upgrade.

These are compatible right?

Thanks in advance.

MC


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: atomsnine on February 11, 2014, 06:55:08 AM
Still stuck with a 4,1 that I cannot seem to upgrade to 5,1 having done about 10+ machines I should know how it's done. Every other machine I have tried works except this one. It reboots you see the progress bar for one second on the screen and it shuts down to reboot normal to finder and show 4,1…. the bar never progresses the shutdown is instant. Very weird…. tried Gt 120 and 4870…. as GPU… tried 2.66 Quad core and 2.26 8 core…. all with the same result. POS

Jack, et al. Have you made any headway with this? Exact issue as you have described.

Trying with a 2.26 x 2. Have removed ALL extraneous hardware, including WiFi, Bluetooth, ROM drive and all but one stick of RAM. Have swapped hard drives, rebuilt OS, tried with Mavericks, Lion, Snow Leopard. I realize OS shouldn't have any impact on firmware, but for the sake of thorough troubleshooting...

I'm beginning to think Apple has made their way into the the scripts and fiddled with something to break this gem of a program.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: atomsnine on February 11, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
Solved.

While scanning this thread and others, I have discovered that many are jumping on this bandwagon. Most likely because this opportunity is just too good to pass up - a cheap-ish machine that is forward compatible multiple generations?!?!?! You'd be stupid not to jump on this.

That said, I presume many of us (myself included) are picking up the Mac Pro 4,1 in a used state, from a reseller, eBay, wherever, AND we have not spent any time actually using the machine. We are reading this thread because we are here to build a new, BEASTLY one.

Because we have not spent much time actually using the computer yet, we have not had to install any updates... (yes this is foreshadowing)

One prerequisite to successfully utilizing this magical piece of software that is likely to be overlooked by those who are just picking up their Mac Pro 4,1 is the fact that PRIOR to attempting to use said updater, your Mac Pro 4,1 MUST already be at the latest firmware version for the 4,1 series. That is, you must already be at MP41.0081.B07. If you have any revision prior to this, the updater will appear to work, but as soon as you shut the machine down and perform the press-and-hold procedure, you will see the updater screen for .00314529 micro seconds and then the machine will reboot itself, without updating anything.

In essence, the machine has realized it is not at a firmware version from which it can be updated to 5,1 and it aborts - better than becoming a brick.


Must sleep now - ciao


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 11, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
will check that out when I have a moment.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 11, 2014, 07:51:34 PM
Also have another issues I cannot seem to figure out. have a bunch or trays and whatever I do I cannot get CPU B diode or temp sensor to register , boot fine as 12 core but all fans run at 100% I cannot get it to see the diodes… no idea why 3 boards all the same problem cpus test all fine in slot A but as soon as dual set up no go.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 12, 2014, 04:09:16 AM
Is diode in CPU or heatsink?

Best bet is to get a PC that takes these chips.

When I had trouble with my 5680s I plopped them one at a time into flashing PC and they were both fine.

Then I was able to stop thinking about Xeons and instead work on tightening sequence.

If diodes still don't read in PC you know it is time to jump in front of a bus. (or return Xeons if you can)

Get the PC, will end the wondering.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 12, 2014, 03:37:56 PM
well I had a dual 3.46 running (A&B showing temps ok and working correctly), I put in some 3.33 to see if they work…. now putting back the 3.46 it runs every time except fans run full blast and B side of things is not seen by temp sensor. I must be doing something wrong

Follow up…

I have a dual X5690 that chimes on boot, fans run at 100% max, both cpus shows as 3.46Ghz, all 64gb of ram shows as PC1333 but the fans run at 100%. If I run a temp guide it shows only CPU Diode A and Heatsink A Diode, not the B side. If I switch the cpus from A to B and B to A, I end up with the same thing A side showing temps B nothing. I tried 3 different heatsinks. SMC reset , PRAM reset…. driving me insane…. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh an yes the tray is an f5 2009 tray and then machine is an f5 2009 backplane board

the only thing close I can find is

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1498925

but I have 5 trays they all do the same thing…. tried 2 different backplane boards so far. Why do chips work fine in A and not fine in B…. for some reason I know if I get in a new tray and I install CPU's for the first time it will just work, but if I start swapping around it won't. Is there something happening to the CPU pins every time you switch ? make no sense as otherwise I won't be able to boot these regularly showing up as 12 core…. Oh I clip the plug holders and plug them in manually… what a mess.

2h later UPS stopped by with another 2009 Mac Pro…. virgin board  :o …. so I used chips that previously worked , already modified heatsinks, and same ram that would give me 100% fan noise…. and of course it works perfectly fine this time around. 1st install always works…. so still 5 trays here that work but diode B not seen any thoughts ? When I removed the original 2.26's I put the board side by side with the 5 trays and looked with a magnifying glass at them I cannot see a difference….

could it be metal fatigue ? the pins getting compressed too many times ? it definitely a board/tray issue not a cpu/heatsink/spacer/ram issue….  because of this I am starting to believe this swap is really only for those that don't mind frying a tray or 2 in their attempt to modify a perfectly working 2009…. 8 core into a 12 core….

my last thought is am I under tightening CPU B and thus not getting the diode's to read ??? or do I have to go thru and with a tiny needed lift up every single pin on the socket ?….


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 13, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
When the fan issue occurs have you tried all of the RAM slots?

I found that I could have the CPU show up but 1 or 2 RAM slots wouldn't work. Then I had to tighten a little more and reboot, RAM finally all showed up.

Yeah, I still have an extra tray because I thought first one was bad. I look on Ebay for more heatsinks but they are CRAZY expensive.

I found that counting turns really did help. As far as I'm concerned the 5680s will never come out of the working tray. "If it ain't broke...."

And I would still advise getting a PC of same socket to test with, helps to know FOR SURE.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 13, 2014, 04:03:07 AM
When the fan issue occurs have you tried all of the RAM slots?

Yes I have Ram in all slots 64gb 8x8gb and it boots fine showing 2 x X5680 or X5690.... except the fans run at 100%, the only difference between one with silent fans and my 5 with 100% fans is when I run tempapp it has missing Diode Heatsink B and Diode CPU B.... the working tray shows both hence the fans don't kick in.... if I run Geekbench stress test with 100% fan tray it runs flawless

I have loads of extra heatsinks now want to sell me a tray ?

Actually I test cpus with slot A, machine boots fine with just one CPU in slot A for testing purposes fans will go to max as it's looking for something in B... but good way to check if a CPU is ok


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mwarchut on February 14, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
Hi All

Does this utility still work?   WHen I run it it complains that its not connected to the internet.  Wireshark shows it trying to ping an IP that is non-responsive.   I checked from several places on the internet and that IP doesn't respond from any of them so I am wondering if maybe its gone.




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GryphonMD on February 15, 2014, 10:09:38 PM
Still works.  I just downloaded it and updated my machine about 15 minutes ago. 
[GryphonMD]


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: RCZ on February 16, 2014, 02:58:44 PM
Hi everyone,

just picked up my '09 machine yesterday with 2.26Ghz.. I'm looking for CPU's on Ebay when I found the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Pair-Intel-Xeon-W5590-3-33GHz-CPUs-for-Drop-In-2009-DP-Mac-Pro-/171233799665?pt=CPUs&hash=item27de546df1#viTabs_0

Aparently this guy already removed the IHS.. Would it be recommended to purchase (so I don't have to change a lot on the heatsinks).. or recommend NOT to buy as they are a little more expensive.. but evenmore, they got really hot in the process (I guess...) and might wear out very quickly..

or not buy because I can spend a little more on WAY faster CPU's ??


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 18, 2014, 03:55:06 AM
you do not want W5590 ! most likely the reason they are for sale


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on February 18, 2014, 05:40:42 AM
^^^^And why would that be?  I am very happy with my W5590s.  For what I do I don't feel I need 12 cores, I believe 8 is plenty.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on February 20, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
I'm still stuck with 4 trays now that DIODE B is not found anyone that has any ideas please post it ! Losing my mind  ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 20, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
When I partially killed a tray it had bent pins in a diagonal pattern similar to Anandtech article where they screwed one up. I was able to bend the pins back up and make them work.

I sat outside in bright sun with magnifying glass and tweezers that have tiny points like pins.

Look at the Anandtech pic, I was literally quite amazed that my damage was in same place with similar appearance, likely the result of over tightening or tightening one side too much before other side.

I would also suggest that you try to find pin outs for the socket to see which exact pins go to diode b.

More likely to find info for i5/i7 equivalent chips, I can attest that they use same pin outs.

Whatever you do, remain calm when fiddling with pins, if your hands aren't steady try later. Obviously it is possible to ruin a board pretty easily. Dv Wharehouse had board for $400 but it doesn't come with heatsinks.

Please update as you continue, of all computer fiddling I have done, 2009 CPU tray the scariest thing, if it was Apple's attempt to slow down upgraders, they won.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Mr. CoBalt on March 03, 2014, 11:36:42 PM
Hello all, sorry if this has been answered somewhere in the 47 pages of this thread but I'm wondering can a standalone X5680 or X5690 CPU can be used in a single-socket 4,1-flashed-to-5,1-Mac Pro?

I've been looking at picking up a W3680 or W3690 processor as they obviously work and are designed solely for single-socket, but I was wondering if I should broaden my search and include the hex-core X56* series CPUs?

Other than the X56-series having two QPI links to support dual-CPU configs I don't see any big difference between the X56* and W36* or any reason why a single X56 shouldn't be able to function in a single-socket system. Anybody tried it? 8)

Thanks!




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on March 03, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
The answer is Yes.  The 36XX series can only be used on single socket machines.  The 56XX series while being designed for dual socket operation, will perform in single socket applications as well.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Mr. CoBalt on March 03, 2014, 11:45:56 PM
The answer is Yes.  The 36XX series can only be used on single socket machines.  The 56XX series while being designed for dual socket operation, will perform in single socket applications as well.

Lou
Sweet, that's what I figured; thanks for the blazingly-quick reply! I'm guessing there shouldn't be a problem with firmware/microcode/stepping, etc. with a X5680/90 since the Mac Pro 2010-12 supported the X5675 as it is (albeit in a dual-CPU config)?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: davinius on March 10, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aledesma on March 21, 2014, 06:03:30 AM
Hi everyone the most comprehensive collection of information I have found on the web regarding this topic was at http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1691581&highlight=7970 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1691581&highlight=7970) I have bought everything and am ready to put those suckers in. I hope this link will help anyone else attempting the same thing.

Cheers


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: vailvalleytroll on March 23, 2014, 09:58:51 PM
So I upgraded my Mac Pro 4,1 with the utility. It now displays 5,1 in system profiler. I went to check audio and got "There was an error while gathering this information." however. HDMI Audio out is not a new option under the audio control panel either. My main hope was to get HDMI audio out from my terrible GT120 until I get around to upgrading it. Is the GT120 not capable of HDMI audio out at all? Likely.. But system profiler still won't show my audio info. Also, since the I've applied the utility a blank space appears in between icons on the top right side on my osx menu bar. When I click it, it turns out to be the Displays menu, realizes its not supposed to be there, and disappears. Any ideas?  ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacVick on March 25, 2014, 12:41:45 AM
I did the firmware update a few days ago and all went well, my 4,1 is now a 5,1. Thanks to MacEFIRom.
Then a few days later as I was trying to get my new unflashed R9 280x to show up so I zapped my pram...
My 1066 ram became 1333. and I thought how is that possible. Turns out the used mac pro I bought from OWC
had 1333 in it all along, 32 gigs but they used to show up as 1066. I looked inside to double check, so that was a really nice surprise. I have not upgrade my CPUs yet still shopping
but the good news is I don't have to replace 32 gigs of 1066 to 1333. Makes my purchase from OWC a bit sweeter, although
I really should have just bought a 2.26 8 core in hindsight instead of the 2.93. I would have saved a chunk of cash that I could
have used on more pricy Xeons.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nonlen on March 28, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
I just upgraded the firmware of my 2 x 2.26 GHz. "About this mac" still displays "early 2009" but system report / hardware overview shows 5.1. Is that correct?




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacVick on March 30, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
It's correct it still reads 2009 but but changes from 4,1 to 5,1. If you upgrade to Westmere CPUs I'm not sure if it will then read 2010 or stay a 2009 in the about this Mac screen. I'm waiting on my thermal pads to do my install of two 5650s and will see what happens, fingers crossed. I'm sure someone with more upgrading experience can give a definite answer if they feel like chiming in.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nostre on April 01, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
Mac Pro Firmware 2009-2010 Tool not working on my Mac Pro 2009 Mavericks getting this:

My Internetconnections works.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacVick on April 02, 2014, 04:39:29 PM
Just completed my 2009 2.26 8 core upgrade to 5650 westmere 2.66 12 core. I have to say that it was not easy. I followed this link for my install which others have listed here.
http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/

I counted 9.5 to 10 turns when removing the heat sinks for each screw. When I put the heat sinks back on I only went with 3 turns at first going in a star pattern as I felt the screws firming up, I also used the pea sized thermal paste method one small pea in the middle of the new processor, I did not spread it around with plastic like frosting on a cupcake. I saw a guy on youtube use the pea method and decided to go with it.
I put thermal pads on in their allocated spots see link above.

I did not use washers. I did disconnect the heat sink fan power cables from their housing,  the hardest part of the install was reinserting the connectors to the logic board when putting the heat sinks back in as the connectors are loose but they did click all the way in but it was tricky yikes!... I believe that's when I started sweating.... :-\
I then booted the Mac and the power light was flashing and the fans were a blowin... Yikes again!
I pulled the tray out and new that I had not over tightened the heat sink bolts, so I did anther half turn on all 8 screws. Booted again and bingo.... She booted and both processors showed up! But one ram slot #2 was showing no ram. I reseated the ram and still the same thing. So I tightened the first heat sink a 1/4 turn each maybe less, still no #2, I did one more small tighten and started getting nervous about over tightening but new I was not at the 4.5 turns as he used in the link. Booted again and bingo! ram in slot 2 was back.

GEEKBENCH 25467 64 bit multi core score and that's with the slower 8 gigs of ram at 1066!  Almost as fast as the new 2014 8 core, not bad! Score might go up when I install 32 gigs of 1333.
On a side note I saw this guys video on youtube
http://youtu.be/Ng34AVZS8Aw
and he did none of the above methods and got his to work, I think he got lucky.
Has anyone done this and left the heats sink fan connectors in their housing and had success? It sure would be a lot easier skipping that part of the install.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thornslack on April 11, 2014, 05:32:32 PM
I was wondering if anyone could comment on the viability of using X5677 processors as an upgrade to a flashed 4,1 2X2.93 Quad model. On paper the processors sound compatible, and they are so much less expensive than the x5690's while maintaining the same clock speeds.

I've scoured this thread and every other I could find and seem to bump into some conflicting info. User xelanaiznacost in post #597 here makes it sound feasible, but other threads have indicated that they're incompatible or effective only in hackintosh builds. If anybody had some clarifying details I am all ears! Thanks as always!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on April 11, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
^^^^Yes, they are the same clock speeds, but the X5677 is 4 core while the X5690 is 6 core.  8 total cores may be enough depending on the applications you use.  I have W5590s in mine and for what I do, I believe 8 total cores is plenty.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thornslack on April 13, 2014, 06:53:14 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'm aware that they're quads and not hexes. I'm really just trying to get a faster clock speed for a reasonable price, and 8 cores is plenty for what I'm doing. So they ought to be compatible then it sounds like?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on April 13, 2014, 07:15:53 PM
^^^^Yes, it should be.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: LittlePaul on April 14, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
I cannot upgrade... why???



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tyvol on April 23, 2014, 04:39:23 AM
Upgrade to 5,1 with the firmware update now using dual 6 core x5660's accomplished.

My thanks (big time) to the many contributions to this forum topic and the terrific effort to add to and recap everything by aitte with this great post:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg24313.html#msg24313

Started with an early 2009 Mac Pro and I now have a 5,1 Mac Pro running at 2.80 GHz in each of its 12 cores.

Used washer spacers measured very carefully with a micrometer getting the space to 2.4mm and I also counted the turns to gently tighten the heat sink screws 3.5 turns gently against the washers.

32 GB of Ram running at 1066 MT/s still brings my Geekbench 3 measure in at 26789.

And I now use a PCIe Velocity X2 which houses a Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500 GB for my OSX world which cranks out around 480 mbs read/write speeds.

In a few days I hope to have another PCIe SSD adapter housing a Samsung XP941 M.2 SSD for W7 Boot Camp only.

We'll see if I can make the XP941 work for that purpose (and I will keep you posted), but I just wanted to express my appreciation to those who've contributed (and the netkas.org forum) to making this frankly amazing transformation happen.

Cheers,

tyvol



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cerx on April 29, 2014, 12:12:29 AM
This might be interesting for those with a MacPro 4,1 and original 2.66GHz quad core W3520. I just successfully upgraded to a single X5650 HexCore CPU which works perfectly. For comparison Geekbench3 scores 32 bit are 2291 single core and 11962 for multicore. This is just about as good as two E5520 and close to W3680. It's a very economical upgrade since X5650 are easy to get on ebay - I got mine for $115. Compare that to $400 plus for a W3680.


Title: MacPro 4,1 Will not update!
Post by: Vanish on May 08, 2014, 06:29:34 AM
I ran the tool, followed the power down, then power up instruction. The screen goes grey with the load bar but then shuts off immediately, then it reboots. The update does not even start. I am running the latest version of Mavericks. 2009 MacPro 4,1, Boot ROM Ver MP41.0081.B04.

Fixed the problem. For those of you that are experiencing the same issue, you have to first update your firmware to the latest which is the B07. Then run the tool.

Here is the link to the firmware download site. Scroll down and find Mac Pro 4,1 then click the firmware file. It'll show you a picture of the new cylinder Mac Pro, ignore it and just download the file. Follow install instructions. Everything should work out fine.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1237


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: suhovejevs1985 on May 10, 2014, 06:49:18 PM
hey there guys, will X5675 work in my 4.1 quad core mac? It is almost as fast as W3680 for the half price though!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351055400927?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
it says "This Processor does not work with Motherboard made by Intel. Please take that into consideration before purchase", what does that mean?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: C_A_S on May 13, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
hey there guys, will X5675 work in my 4.1 quad core mac? It is almost as fast as W3680 for the half price though!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351055400927?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
it says "This Processor does not work with Motherboard made by Intel. Please take that into consideration before purchase", what does that mean?

It means they are covering their bases, because they are selling ES chips and they can't guarantee their functioning with all the motherboards a standard production version of this chip would be expected to play with

It will most probably work in your computer.  In fact, I corresponded with this vendor about the issue. But, you must be aware that these are Engineering Samples.  They are confidential test chips given by Intel to customers/vendors for testing, and while lots of people have good luck with them, its like working with the beta release of software.  Not only do they remain legally the property of Intel (and suppliers can get prosecuted for selling them), but there can be all sorts of issues with temperatures/clock speeds etc.  ES chips are for the brave/confident, though many people use them happily


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: suhovejevs1985 on May 14, 2014, 09:54:51 AM
THanks for clarifying that. I actually contacted them too and they said its going to work with my Mac. The thing is though, I read somewhere that since these are sample chips, they dont have thermal sensor in them, therefore I will need to adjust fans manually. Is that the case?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: C_A_S on May 14, 2014, 10:55:48 AM
It can mean all kinds of things, there's no set adjustment to make.  I've read about thermal issues, voltage issues, poor hyper threading,  bios issues, as well as read about them working just fine.  It is just a "try it and see" situation, as far as I can tell.  I have seen threads on Macrumors with people who've used them with no issues, I have seen at least one upgrader who put them in and they didn't work.  You probably need to be more familiar with concepts like steppings to have any idea how to handicap your odds.

To me, the prices on the x5670s are not that much different from a set of these slightly faster ES x5675s, and its only 2.93 vs 3.06, that's not a compelling case to me for beta chips given the work involved to install the cpu


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: suhovejevs1985 on May 14, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
I think you are right here! But looking at this chart http://www.youcpu.com/en/cpu/Intel-Xeon-W3680-12M-Cache-3.33-GHz-6.40-GT-s-Intel-QPI Im more sold on x5660 than x5670, it performed slightly better, and its price is about $100 less than x6570, so I think X5660 is good value for price around $200. What do you think?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: C_A_S on May 14, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
Down the page is a table with geekbench scores and approximate costs per pair of chips.  You are already doubling your score by going with 60s, so yes, that is fine.  Maybe after a year or two the price of faster chips will fall as more come servers come off lease

http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/06/27/mac-pro-2009-part-ii/ (http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/06/27/mac-pro-2009-part-ii/)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on May 19, 2014, 12:39:16 AM
I had a look on Ebay.

Price for 5670 is around $230, quite the bargain.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mattlok on May 29, 2014, 03:29:46 PM
Hi Everybody,

I haven't been on this forum for about 3 years when I help test ATI 5770 XFX brand with Romulator's rom - which worked perfectly on my mac pro 3,1. (thx dude)

Now I finally upgraded to a Mac Pro 4,1 and have combed through the 47 page postings as best as possible through the threads.

So now I will attempt to upgrade my firmware from 4,1 to 5,1 and add dual Xeon X5600 series 6 core CPU

My quick question: I got the download file from the first page on the post - are there any other updated files or can I use the original file posted?

Thank-you to everyone for posting all the issues and troubleshooting them.

A few that I have in my notes:

1) I need to check my Mac Pro 4,1 for the latest firmware from Apple site (I think it's B07) and I need to be on the latest firmware in order to do the (4,1 to 5,1 upgrade)

2) I saw quite a few reports that people had to switch back to mostly original hardware in order for the firmware tool to work (such SSD drive back to SATA hard-drive, use original Apple video card, etc)

3) I saw the issue about the "Hex Tool" (3mm - not T15 -- which I already have - but good to know)

4) the washers for the CPUs to use 2 washers (using a micrometer) to measure between 2.2mm to 2.5mm so that the CPU does not get crushed as well to gently hand tighten the hex screw on the heatsink

5) removing the power fan clip on the heatsink so you can plug it in when the heatsink is raised from the washers

6) re-apply the heat pads (this part is definitely - working with servers and workstations I have never come across these type of heat pads)

7) I already have 1066 server ram that I am using and based on what I read so far 1333 ram will clock down to 1066 because motherboard does not handle true 1333 (if anyone can confirm that would be great)

I will be following the guide on page 45

Thanks everyone for the sweat and blood :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: omvs on May 30, 2014, 09:50:34 PM
...
My quick question: I got the download file from the first page on the post - are there any other updated files or can I use the original file posted?
...

I just flashed mine a few days ago using the file from the first thread.  Should be all you need.  After flashing, my memory speed went to 1333MHz using a w3580, so pretty sure it worked.  Many thanks to original author for making this happen.

Can't comment on the CPU swap - mine is a single socket 4,1, and it doesn't have the same challenges since my board takes chips with integrated head spreaders.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Geers on May 31, 2014, 10:34:20 PM
Hi Everyone, new to the boards here.

I ran the update utility and it went through the steps but my 4,1 mac pro still shows as 4,1 after the reboot.

any ideas what I may be doing incorrectly?  link to my system info http://i.imgur.com/H35M2sM.png (http://i.imgur.com/H35M2sM.png).  Thanks!

(http://i.imgur.com/H35M2sM.png)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: C_A_S on June 04, 2014, 01:35:17 PM
Reset the PRAM and SMC?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on June 05, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
I ran the update utility and it went through the steps but my 4,1 mac pro still shows as 4,1 after the reboot.
any ideas what I may be doing incorrectly? 

See few pages back what could prevent FW updater from complete the process.

Hint: PRAM and SMC resets won't help.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacVick on June 05, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
Here are two videos I made doing the firmware update then another doing the install of two 5650s and the resulting GEEKBENCH scores. Hope it helps, I found I had to do the firmware update in Mt Lion, it didn't work for me in Mavericks.



http://youtu.be/YU8p86qHnek

http://youtu.be/YAdgT-hJuXU


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thornslack on June 05, 2014, 06:05:39 PM
So I completed a processor upgrade on my 4,1 dual processor MP a few weeks back and everything seems to be just fine. Much thanks to netkas and the posters here as the information was spot on. I used pindelski's guide which was quite simple.

If anyone is interested, the x5677 processors have been working just fine in my mac. I had a tough time determining if they would actually be compatible but the answer is yes, they work.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: M2k on June 17, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
i have a question, you write for install filmware update you must do it on Lion. After that you can use sistem update of Apple as usual? You can install Mavericks or you are forced to mantain Lion S.O.? I tray to answer this questions on forums but i can find anywhing. Thank you in advance. ??? ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: box185 on June 25, 2014, 09:26:38 PM
I am a professional engineer. I have removed the IHS from 27 pair of Xeon CPU's using common de-lidding techniques - with zero failures. The "tight soldering" you refer to is also in question as I have exposed the voids where solder has failed to flow across the surface of the CPU.


* Do NOT attempt to remove the IHS (integrated heat spreader) "lid" on your Xeon CPUs. They are workstation CPUs with SOLDERED lids (directly onto the cores) that CANNOT be removed using common de-lidding techniques and you'll kill your processor. Even professional electrical engineers with heatbeds have destroyed these CPUs while attempting to remove the lids. Also note that unlike consumer-CPUs, the soldered server-level Xeon CPUs do not benefit temperature-wise from de-lidding because the heat-contact is already practically perfect thanks to the tight soldering. So keep the lids on and follow the above 5 rules!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: anycast on June 27, 2014, 11:16:40 AM
I've successfully updated my Mac Pro 4,1 to 5,1. Everything works great in Mac OS, but when I try to boot in Windows via the boot manager (by pressing the option key), no disks appear. Reverting back to the 4,1 firmware solves this issue.

Is there any way for the boot manager to work with the 5,1 firmware?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: omvs on June 27, 2014, 12:09:25 PM
...
Is there any way for the boot manager to work with the 5,1 firmware?


Works fine for me after firmware upgrade - I see the two disks for my fusion array, and my bootcamp disk.  The only problems I've had is it won't recognize a 10.9 install disk (burned onto a CD or a USB stick from the .dmg in Install Mavericks package).

Does it show up in Startup Disk preferences?  Thats one, though less convenient way...

Not necessarily a fix, but you might want to check out Boot Champ (http://kainjow.com).  It gives you a menu option to reboot into Bootcamp -- and unlike the prefences, its a one-shot setting, so if you reboot again without touching anything, you're back in OSX.  I find it very convenient for swapping back and forth


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: anycast on June 27, 2014, 02:17:18 PM
Figured it out. I have a Sonnet Tempo card with a Samsung SSD and http://www.sonnettech.com/support/kb/kb.php?cat=457&expand=_a2_b760&action=b758#b758

A 4,1 with a 5,1 firmware really behaves like a 5,1.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thornslack on June 28, 2014, 06:25:37 AM
Hi Anycast,

I have the same set-up with a flashed 4,1 to 5,1 and the Sonnet Tempo card and also encountered that problem. I have gotten it working properly though, although the computer needs a pram reset prior to option booting into windows. Occasionally it requires two pram resets, and even more rarely none, so I have just taken to zapping the pram once then doing the option boot. I did reformat my bootcamp volume from scratch after the firmware flash, but in retrospect that may have been unnecessary. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: h9826790 on June 30, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
For the Sonnet Tempo card issue, sometimes a SMC + PRAM reset with the bare card in the PCIe slot may solve the problem.

Anyway, I suggest simply install rEFInd as the boot manager to solve the problem.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: h9826790 on June 30, 2014, 01:18:35 PM
I ran the update utility and it went through the steps but my 4,1 mac pro still shows as 4,1 after the reboot.

Just make sure you shutdown the computer, and then keep pressing the power button to boot it. If you simply "reboot" the computer, it won't start the EFI update.


Title: 4,1 upgrade...."MATCHING" CPU's?
Post by: slabbage on July 04, 2014, 02:34:23 AM
Hi,
I'm planning an upgrade to a 2009 2.8/8 core 4,1 machine- X5660's seem like my choice at the moment.

My question is; Do I have to purchase the CPU's in "matched" pairs? or can I just purchase 2 identical X5660's?

The only "matched" pairs I see are server pulls on eBay....Vendors seem to not sell new Intels in any matched packaging/bundles...

(Forgive me if this sounds idiotic- but I come from the world of old-school audio electronics- with "matched"transistors in opamps- which requires measuring the hfe of the tranny, bla,bla )


Thanks!
Greg


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on July 04, 2014, 03:08:54 AM
^^^^As long as they are not engineering samples and are production versions with the same Part No., you can purchase the CPUs separately.

Server pulls are also OK.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slabbage on July 04, 2014, 03:22:57 AM
^^^^As long as they are not engineering samples and are production versions with the same Part No., you can purchase the CPUs separately.

Cheers for the quick answer, Lou!

Is an "engineering sample" easy to spot? ....




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: omvs on July 04, 2014, 03:55:22 AM
I believe the chips actually say "Intel confidential" or something similar on the heat spreader.  If you do a search on "intel engineering sample" on ebay and look at some of the images, it'll become clear.

Best bet is to get the same stepping.  For example, on the x5660, two that are both SLBV6.  Or my current x5675's are SLBYL's.  Beyond that you shouldn't have to worry - even if the year of manufacture doesn't match you should be okay.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slabbage on July 04, 2014, 05:08:47 AM
 Or my current x5675's are SLBYL's.  

Thanks omvs!

I was planning on the dual X5660's so I can continue to use my considerable array of 1066 memory (64GB) ...Would dual X5675's have a problem with 1066 sticks?

Anybody have any insight on this?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on July 04, 2014, 06:27:51 AM
^^^^The CPU will conform to the memory installed and run at the appropriate speed specified for the RAM installed.  So yes, the X5675 will work with 1066MHz RAM.

http://ark.intel.com/products/52577/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5675-12M-Cache-3_06-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shanghailoz on July 07, 2014, 11:48:18 AM
Not really firmware related, but something that 4,1  / 5,1 owners will need to be aware of..

I was having issues trying to install Mavericks on my 4,1 -> 5,1.
I could boot into the installer (if I installed it to a separate drive), but no drives would appear in disk manager.
Tried going back to 4,1 but saw the same issue.

I checked firmware revisions, smc versions, achi versions etc on both Mac Pro's that I had (one worked fine, one didn't).
Eventually checked dmesg on the non working one from a mavericks boot, and saw that it was not initialising the wifi card correctly either during install, but the working one was!

Dmesg here -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/14615132143/in/photostream/

Seems that the wifi card was to blame.
I removed the wifi card, and bam, Mavericks could see internal drives on the unit with issues.

So... If you have a 4,1 (and 5,1), and your machine doesn't see the internal sata disks in the installer in Mountain Lion or Mavericks, the issue is your wifi card!

Seems this affects the Atheros cards, as the one was fine, it has an Apple branded Broadcom BCM, and the "didn't see disks" one had an Atheros AR5BX86 Apple branded card.






Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bxs on July 07, 2014, 11:50:17 PM
One of the things that bothers me at this moment is that the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool requires access to the Internet for downloading certain info related to performing the upgrade. My concern is that this data may not be available in the future or that I'm stuck one day wanting to use the Tool but don't have access to the Internet.

This past weekend I performed a MP4,1 to MP5,1 upgrade using X5680 processors. The first step was to upgrade the Firmware to 5,1. When executing the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool it immediately complained it could not access the internet. This was strange as I could use any browser and access to the internet was without issues. After maybe an hour I discovered that the office firewall was preventing 'pings' to the outside world. My IT person discovered that the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool was 'pinging' its data server address before attempting to download data needed to perform the firmware update. After the firewall was reset to allow passing through 'pings' all went well. This issue led me to post my concern here today.

Does anyone know how to obtain the Tool's needed data ahead of time (like now) and store it away on local disk to avoid internet access altogether and to protect against the data no longer being available one day ? Thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: toke lahti on July 11, 2014, 04:41:27 PM
Can someone simply list a few actual real world practical benefits of this upgrade?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on July 11, 2014, 08:40:29 PM
Can someone simply list a few actual real world practical benefits of this upgrade?

Guess you haven't been reading huh ???  Anyway there are two.  Both are related to replacing the CPU in a single processor machine or both CPUs in a dual processor machine:

1.  If the replacement processor supports it, you can run 1333MHz RAM.

2.  You can run 6 core processors from the Xeon 36xx series CPUs in single processor machines or 56xx CPUs in dual Processor or single processor machines.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slabbage on July 20, 2014, 08:46:40 PM

* You MUST cut out room for the fan connectors, because if they don't connect your Case fans will run at 100% speed to compensate for what it thinks is a dead CPU-fan.
* You MUST add extra-thick thermal strips for the voltage regulators, so that the heat they generate transfers to the heatsink.


Hello out there,
I'm about to upgrade a 4,1 8-core to a 5,1 12-core. I've done my due diligence researching the upgrade process, watched all the youtubes, read all the articles (well...to a point)

I can't seem to find any upgrade guide or instructions that mention how to achieve the above?

anybody have a link or a tip?

Cheers!
Greg


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on July 21, 2014, 01:47:03 AM
^^^^Look Here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131026053641/http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jimmyspenser on July 22, 2014, 09:56:49 AM
is it safe to play with different kind of ECC memories in a Mac pro? I mean 10600r 10600 10600f etc...?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: RigerousRecording on July 25, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to all the great info on this forum and how much I appreciate the work that went into the firmware updater! I have had a successful upgrade from my 2009 4,1 mac pro 2.66 ghz to the W3690 3.46 hex core and the speed is phenomenal! I put 2 SSD's in the mac as well via PCIe connections (velocity solo x2 for boot drive and Velocity solo x1 for an audio samples/virtual instruments library drive.) I use this machine for pro tools and just did a major upgrade to pro tools 11 and knew a faster machine would help me a lot. Turns out too that when I bought my ram from OWC I got 1333 mhz which I didn't originally know I had....when I checked and saw it was I zapped the PRAM and bam 16 gb 1333 mhz. Best of all the chip was 350 bucks and now my mac will last me a bit longer. Thanks again for all the helpful information here and if anyone is thinking of doing this mod just take a few days to gather all the info you need, buy the parts and go for it. It is hard to mess up if you follow all the steps!
-Bryce


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slabbage on July 29, 2014, 12:34:07 AM
^^^^Look Here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131026053641/http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/

Lou


Thanks Lou! Did the upgrade over the weekend with great success! Although I did use the "washer" method and thermal pad application outlined in this post <http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg24313/topicseen.html#msg24313>







Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: slabbage on July 29, 2014, 12:49:36 AM
Here's another question:

After my success with the 4,1 to 5,1.... I'm wondering about my old 3,1 2.8MHz 8 core. It's still a pretty peppy machine (I have the memory maxed out)-

Here's my question: It has dual 2.8 E5462 SLANT CPU's, Is my only option the 3.0 E5472? (SLANZ /C0 stepping) .... I know Apple offered the 3.3 X5482 in the 3,1 MacPro but considering the power consumption of the X5482-that must have been a different motherboard? No?

So, Am I correct that the only CPU upgrade from E5462 would be a E5472?

Thanks again for the amazing info!
Greg


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Jero_235 on August 02, 2014, 02:49:01 AM
I've got a Early 2009 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad Core.  So, after this firmware upgrade, what is the current best processor that I can put in the machine?

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on August 02, 2014, 09:18:39 PM
I've got a Early 2009 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad Core.  So, after this firmware upgrade, what is the current best processor that I can put in the machine?

Thanks

How about you do some research on the internet to find out which processor is the most powerful in the westmere-EP family of Xeon processors?

Its all listed there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Westmere-EP.22_.2832_nm.29_Efficient_Performance

Damn people are getting lazy lately


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Jero_235 on August 03, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
Ah.  Thanks.  Kinda new to all this.  Actually I didn't even know this was possible until a week ago.
Will check out the link


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jasondixon on August 18, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Thanks for the awesome upgrade tool - it worked a treat. I've just upgraded my 2009 8 core machine. I had a quick issue where the second display wasn't working correctly, but zapping the PRAM did the trick.  I've already upgraded the dual CPUs in the past from 2.26ghz to 2.93ghz, but now looking forward to putting in a pair of X5690 at 3.46ghz. That, and the dual GPUs (a GTX 780 with 6gb and GTX 680) should make this quite a spectacular machine.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jasondixon on August 18, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
I've got a Early 2009 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad Core.  So, after this firmware upgrade, what is the current best processor that I can put in the machine?

Thanks

I'd say look at the X5690 at 3.46ghz, that's what I am aiming for. That said, some posts suggest the power consumption is too high at 130w, but other members seem to have had success at installing these chips. I'm certainly going to give it a go.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kazu2014 on August 19, 2014, 09:29:50 AM
Thank you for the great Utility.
But I have got a problem.
After upgrade my MacPro 2009 from 4,1 to 5,1 , I ran Apple Hardware Test.
Then got "4VDC/3/40000003:VideoController" error.
Does anyone found any good solution?
Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: blacksheep on August 19, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
^^^There's a perfect one: do not use AHT ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jasondixon on August 19, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
Ok, so having installed this a day ago, I'm finding that every time I boot up, one of my two displays isn't displaying images - just a white screen with artefacts. If I zap the PRAM it's all fine. Any ideas or help would be really appreciated? Could it be time to replace the PRAM battery (which I'll do anyway), or is this likely to be something else?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: altha on August 20, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
Hi, i can't update my mac pro nehalem 4.1 to 5.1.
To make short, i've got the same exact problem as OrangeSVTguy (p 45).
Already changed my HD for a SSD (crucial mx100), and my original graphic card GT 120 for a Geforce GTX 660 (and sold the original one). I tried to boot from a HD and make the update but it doesn't work either.

The only thing i noticed is that the update firmware tool doesn't ask to shutdown when completed, i have to do it myself.

anyone has a clue?


I'm having issues trying to update to 5,1 from 4,1. I currently lack an EFI graphics card so I am doing this blind, running dual titans. Everything seems to run as it should but just doesn't say 5,1. I've done PRAM resets. Have B07 boot rom.

Run the utility and follow the prompts. I shut the Mac and wait a few seconds.  Hit lower button and hold until the light rapidly starts to blink then let go. A couple seconds I hear the long tone. The a couple seconds later I hear the Apple Bong and it seems(doing this blind) to be updating the firmware as it will restart automaticly after a few minutes. I boot back to desktop and check system profiler and nothing has changed.







Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: altha on August 20, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
Just saw that you can't make the update with a PC card,
Can i do something with my PC Geforce GTX 660 so i can update to 5.1? i already sold my old mac Geforce GT 120



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: realeoin on August 21, 2014, 02:45:25 PM
Hi

First post here. First of all many thanks to MacEFIRom for this great utility.

I have a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 single quad core which I just about to upgrade with a W3690.
I have everything I need now to give it a go. Which I am about to do.

Apologies if this has been answered before but I can't seem to see a thread search tool and the thread is massive.

At the moment it's running the latest version of Mavericks. Do I need to backup the drive and downgrade the OS before I try the Firmware Tool ? Which OS version is the best bet to get the Firmware utility to work ? And after installing the firmware can I then re-upgrade to the latest version of OS X ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Jero_235 on August 25, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
Thanks so much for this fantastic firmware upgrade.  Awesome!

I've got a Early 2009 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad Core.  So, after this firmware upgrade, what is the current best processor that I can put in the machine?

Thanks

I'd say look at the X5690 at 3.46ghz, that's what I am aiming for. That said, some posts suggest the power consumption is too high at 130w, but other members seem to have had success at installing these chips. I'm certainly going to give it a go.

Thanks jasondixon.  Yeah, I upgraded to the X5690.  It's running really well.  My machine feels like it is now turbo charged!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jasondixon on August 27, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
Thanks so much for this fantastic firmware upgrade.  Awesome!

I've got a Early 2009 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad Core.  So, after this firmware upgrade, what is the current best processor that I can put in the machine?

Thanks

I'd say look at the X5690 at 3.46ghz, that's what I am aiming for. That said, some posts suggest the power consumption is too high at 130w, but other members seem to have had success at installing these chips. I'm certainly going to give it a go.


Thanks jasondixon.  Yeah, I upgraded to the X5690.  It's running really well.  My machine feels like it is now turbo charged!



I have got a pair off ebay - on their way over the pond right now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nomanseyes on September 03, 2014, 07:20:11 PM
I know this is an old topic, but I have a 2006 1,1 that I want to upgrade with 2,1 firmware so that it will properly recognize my x5355 cpus. I haven't had any KP issues but I just don't like the "unknown processor" and I wonder if I'm taking full advantage of the upgrade.

When I run the upgrade tool it doesn't change anything in the system report. I suspect this is because my current firmware is MP11.005D.B00, which is different from the 2006 firmware listed in the upgrade tool.

Can someone point me in the right direction for an alternate procedure for installing the 2,1 firmware?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ithyx on September 06, 2014, 08:04:35 AM
Hi all,

I just want to share my positive experience in upgrading my MP 4.1 single CPU with this ROM. Such a fantastic and smooth experience. My MP now is running with a W3690, an AMD R9 280x GPU and Crucial SDD through a PCI Apricorn card and it seems like nothing can't stop it for less than 900€. Thanks !

If anyone need help or advice...



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Tekhed on September 08, 2014, 04:35:47 AM
First off, this site has been invaluable for my purchase and upgrade of a 2009 Mac Pro. I sold my Macbook Pro last week after reading what I could get for the sale of the Macbook and an additional $500. I now have a 2009 Mac Pro 5.1 with the W3690 CPU, 24G of RAM, and a Radeon 4750.

I am assuming that a Yosemite upgrade should be seamless...am I missing something with this assumption? I do realize I'll have to do a Bluetooth upgrade and I plan on purchasing the upgrade from OSXWiFi (http://www.osxwifi.com/adapters/pre-order-apple-broadcom-bcm94360cd-802-11-a-b-g-n-ac-bluetooth-4-0-with-adapter-for-macpro-2009-and-macpro-2011), so I believe I should be good to go.

Any other tips or cautions I should be aware of?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ddacunha on September 08, 2014, 11:48:52 AM
Hi, I have upgraded to Yosemite DP7 and I am getting the following error from the "Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool" version 1.0
"The program has encountered an error: 5550"

The ram disk gets created and the two DMG are there. Guess I should try from a ML install.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rkyrmsr on September 10, 2014, 11:29:58 AM
Having problems getting audio out of the MiniDisplay port via an HDMI Adapter. Can anyone help me out?

I've applied the firmware update and I'm running an Early 2009 Mac Pro with 2 x 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors, 12GB Ram and the graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB

Any help would be very much appreciated

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ddacunha on September 11, 2014, 03:25:48 AM
First off, this site has been invaluable for my purchase and upgrade of a 2009 Mac Pro. I sold my Macbook Pro last week after reading what I could get for the sale of the Macbook and an additional $500. I now have a 2009 Mac Pro 5.1 with the W3690 CPU, 24G of RAM, and a Radeon 4750.

I am assuming that a Yosemite upgrade should be seamless...am I missing something with this assumption? I do realize I'll have to do a Bluetooth upgrade and I plan on purchasing the upgrade from OSXWiFi (http://www.osxwifi.com/adapters/pre-order-apple-broadcom-bcm94360cd-802-11-a-b-g-n-ac-bluetooth-4-0-with-adapter-for-macpro-2009-and-macpro-2011), so I believe I should be good to go.

Any other tips or cautions I should be aware of?

Thanks!


I have upgraded a Single quad core from Maverick to Yosemite. The first shutdown was rather long an I remember using the power button but after that it all came back to life.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: alpha.shine on September 11, 2014, 05:58:08 PM
I know this is an old topic, but I have a 2006 1,1 that I want to upgrade with 2,1 firmware so that it will properly recognize my x5355 cpus. I haven't had any KP issues but I just don't like the "unknown processor" and I wonder if I'm taking full advantage of the upgrade.

When I run the upgrade tool it doesn't change anything in the system report. I suspect this is because my current firmware is MP11.005D.B00, which is different from the 2006 firmware listed in the upgrade tool.

Can someone point me in the right direction for an alternate procedure for installing the 2,1 firmware?

your answer is right here  :)  http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,1094.180.html


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: derradius on September 17, 2014, 10:50:58 AM
I'm still stuck with 4 trays now that DIODE B is not found anyone that has any ideas please post it ! Losing my mind  ???

I am in the same situation with BOOSTERA, all CPU and RAM showing up correctly, but BOOSTERA is greyed out in smc-fancontrol and all fans are running at maximum speed. The Apple hardware-check shows a smc-error. Checked the board several times - no bent pins at all - everything looks ok and machine is running/benchmarking perfectly well, but the fans go nuts.

As hardware looks ok, could this be an smc software-issue? I upgraded with Mavericks from 4.1 to 5.1 without any problems, but I suspect Mavericks' feature of RAM compression ... sort of ... uhmm ... incomplete update ??

Or are there any other possible checks or improvement measures the get rid of the fans?

Any hint or help is highly appreciated.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shazbot79 on October 07, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
Hello,

I applied the firmware too,l was prompted to shut down etc. I installed a new W3680 from the factory 2.66.

There is no chime and the power light just flashed white every couple of seconds. Is this because I have a pc graphics card in my mac.

Any help would be grately appreciated.

I was running 10.9.4 with 16gb of 1066 RAM.  ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Ronald23 on October 27, 2014, 09:35:24 PM
First of all, Great work here. And i just ordered already 2x3x8 GB 1333hz memory, and later I will also search for a fast processor. Maybe I'm a dummy but for now I got 1 little question, after de fimware upgrade to 2010 my 2009 install DVD will not work any more, but what if I want to do an new install and use a backup of my time machine. Till now I had to put my install dvd in, and select in the menu, "new install from timemachine" Can someone please tell me how I enable this without the DVD?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on October 27, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
First of all, Great work here. And i just ordered already 2x3x8 GB 1333hz memory, and later I will also search for a fast processor. Maybe I'm a dummy but for now I got 1 little question, after de fimware upgrade to 2010 my 2009 install DVD will not work any more, but what if I want to do an new install and use a backup of my time machine. Till now I had to put my install dvd in, and select in the menu, "new install from timemachine" Can someone please tell me how I enable this without the DVD?

the 4,1 Mac Pro shipped with a DVD with OS 10.5 and later 10.6.  5,1 machines need at least 10.6.4 to run.  Your DVD is to old to StartUp a 5,1 Mac Pro.  However, later model 5,1 Mac Pros (including mine) did not ship with a DVD, since Apple was phasing out DVDs.  To run Yosemite from a StartUp Device you need to make a Mavericks or Yosemite Installation USB Stick.  Instructions are here:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2367748/how-to-make-a-bootable-os-x-10-10-yosemite-install-drive.html

I used the Terminal method and it worked like a charm.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Ronald23 on October 27, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
Oke thank you low rider, I'm still stuck on Montain Lion 10.8.5 because I got several drivers who still don't work with higher OSX's.
So if understand you well, I have to upgrade to the 5.1 firmware, and than make a bootable Mountain Lion USB. That I can use for reinstalling.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: lowrider on October 28, 2014, 01:13:44 AM
^^^^You can make the bootable USB stick on either the 4,1 or 5,1 Mac Pro.  

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gopener on October 28, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
Hello guys,

I recently bought an already upgraded mac pro.
But i run on a bunch of problems with it that i cant really solve.
Seems like when i push it a bit it will freezes and then i may try for days to open it again, it will not make the chime sound and if it did
it may stuck before even boot on os.
If i try to run geekbench it will certainly freeze.
I wanted to ask if that may be somehow related to the firmware upgrade?
And if not and i need to replace my logic board, how i will it mess with the firmware?Do i need a compatible cpu on 2009 to do that?

Thanks, and sorry for my english.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jvarsnova on October 29, 2014, 03:35:31 AM
Thanks MacEFIRom for posting this upgrade.  I tried it with a 4,1 quad I picked up from Craigslist, worked like a charm.  Now it's a six-core Mac Pro, all-in including the W3680 for less than the price of an iPhone.  Couldn't have been easier, and it's running great, including RAM at 1333 MHz.  Sweet!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Airjarhead on November 11, 2014, 05:24:06 AM
I've been watching this page for a long time, and finally got a6 Core W3680 for a Mac Pro 4.1.  I flashed it using the instructions and files provided.  Upon re-boot,  I reset SMC and PRAM.  I even repaired disk permissions.  However, the system is still seen as a 4,1. 
I checked back and read that if a PC GPU is being used, the flash will not work.  The ATI 4870 that originally shipped with the MP crapped out about a year ago, and since then, I've been using a GTX 560ti (without boot screens). 
So, I also just purchased an EVGA GTX 680 4GB FTW and tried to flash it via the instructions in this thread:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1603260
However, I still do not get boot screens.  I'm thinking it has something to do with the fact that I'm running Yosemite.  Is that right, or did something go wrong with the flash?
Otherwise, the card works great, and the web drivers work (used to get white screen on boot using web-drivers with GTX 560ti).
Is there any way I can flash the firmware to make it a 5,1 with the GPUs I have?
Thanks,


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on November 11, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
it only work up to mountain lion. 10.8


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Airjarhead on November 11, 2014, 05:53:34 PM
Thanks for the reply, but soon after I posted, I got everything to work.  I dug out our old 24" ACD and hooked it up via DP.  Got boot screen, and then was able to flash to 5,1.  I knew that one DVI port wouldn't work, but I'm not sure why the other one doesn't.  Anyway, I'm happy.  Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: polai on November 12, 2014, 06:01:47 AM

Hello, my MacPro 4.1. is under Yosemite, is it possible to run the firmware upgrade with this system.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on November 12, 2014, 03:27:59 PM
As from my testing experience it only work up to Mountain Lion OS X 10.8. Ive tested on a OS X 10.9 it fail to flash after boot. Version 10.10 also fail to flash after boot.

So to confirm this the Tool only work until version OS X 10.8 ML.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: v0n on November 12, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
As from my testing experience it only work up to Mountain Lion OS X 10.8. Ive tested on a OS X 10.9 it fail to flash after boot. Version 10.10 also fail to flash after boot.

So to confirm this the Tool only work until version OS X 10.8 ML.

Oh, good to know, when you say "fail to flash" are we talking just fails and keeps on booting like normal, or bricks the board?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on November 12, 2014, 06:08:19 PM
As from my testing experience it only work up to Mountain Lion OS X 10.8. Ive tested on a OS X 10.9 it fail to flash after boot. Version 10.10 also fail to flash after boot.

So to confirm this the Tool only work until version OS X 10.8 ML.

Oh, good to know, when you say "fail to flash" are we talking just fails and keeps on booting like normal, or bricks the board?

Its just boot as normal without flashing. Ive tried many time before notice that it only work until OS X 10.8 ML.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: raever on November 18, 2014, 03:18:28 PM
Thanks for the reply, but soon after I posted, I got everything to work.  I dug out our old 24" ACD and hooked it up via DP.  Got boot screen, and then was able to flash to 5,1.  I knew that one DVI port wouldn't work, but I'm not sure why the other one doesn't.  Anyway, I'm happy.  Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread!

Would you mind elaborating on the "I got everything to work" part?

I've got a 4,1 with stock standard GTX 670 (no boot screens). Ran this firmware upgrade utility, shutdown, held down the power button on next startup, but System Report still shows 4,1. I'm on Yosemite. Any hints appreciated!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on November 18, 2014, 05:28:57 PM
Already mention that it will not work with OS X 10 Yosemite. The last working OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: v0n on November 19, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
I actually managed to do it from Mavericks without any issues. I though I would see what happens before I trawled internet for Mountain Lion disks, it was clean boot to Mavericks, run the prog, shut down, boot with button pressed until beep and "ding", IOS progress bar screen, after returning to Mavericks it was 5.1 in System Report (label in "About this mac" still says 2009 obviously).


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on November 21, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
Apparently not everyone manage to get it work on Maverick I personally tested it didn't work for me. But on ML it work.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: overboostvr4 on December 11, 2014, 03:54:08 AM
I appreciate the help in this thread!  
updated a 4,1 to 5,1 xenon 6 core.   I did the firmware as a ML install.   I was kinda shocked that I could get it to read the 16gb ram sticks.   

Anyone have a 8 core processor board they want to part with? I have two of these procs that would go nicely in my machine. 




Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: feins on December 12, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
Nice to hear that u got urs running. Welcome to the group.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jollyllama on December 14, 2014, 11:02:39 AM
Just to add my experience: I have a 4,1 that has a non-EFI Sapphire 5770 graphics card (no boot screen), and I was having a similar experience to others here: The firmware update would seem like it was working, but it would never show up in System Information (kept saying 4,1). I removed the non-EFI graphics card, replaced it with the stock graphics card, and the update worked. Switched out the cards again (back to the non-EFI card) and everything is perfect.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rezwits on December 24, 2014, 07:36:46 AM
Hi I have read all 54 pages!

I have a 2009 2.66 gHz 8-core, with firmware MP41.0081.B08, I have read that it works so I am passed that.

My plan is to take one of the 1TB drives inside and clone over a SL 10.6.8 that boots.
After logging in to the admin account I am going to run the Firmware Update to go from 4,1 to 5,1.

Then after this I am going to clone over my Yosemite to a Sonnet Tempo SSD Pro Plus card with two SSDs RAID 0.

I am expecting this to go flawlessly, the booting I am worried a little 1%.  But my issue is:

I have the B08 FW so I won't be able to REVERT.  But my OS updates in the future should be all good, right?

Unless Apple releases a FW update for the 5,1 in which I would just have to update the FW manually myself again.

But in general the Future OSes should just update properly from here on out as if my machine was a 2010 5,1?  right?

Thanks for all the info love 2009 machines!

Laters...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mattlok on January 04, 2015, 10:01:54 PM
Hey Everyone,

I have a Mac Pro 2009 which i used this firmware upgrade here from Netkas.org --- and it worked beautifully.

1) i did all my firmware updates prior to Netkas.org firmware upgrade
2) used the proper 6-core CPUs with washer heights, thermal paste and thermal pad
3) performed the Netkas.org firmware upgrade without issues on first pass

My system has been running for the last 8 months no problems with the upgrade.  At the time I had OS X 10.8 --> then updated to OS X 10.9

But then.......  I updated to OS X 10.10 and my boot camp stopped working.   Now I know there was a post that said it was an issue with the amount of partitions that windows can handle.

However..............

I decided to do a fresh install of OS X 10.10 since I got a new SSD drive for Christmas.......

So i went and installed OS X 10.10 on my new SSD 480GB Sandisk and it worked no problem.

However................

When i went to install boot camp for my second SSD drive (another 480GB Kingston).  I get an error message saying "You must update your computer's Boot ROM firmware before using this setup assistant"

So i double check the firmware and it show 5,1 and the latest Boot ROM from mac -- then i went and tried to run the firmware for 4,1 but my mac said it was no needed (hence both firmwares were a few years old already so no new firmware was release since this year)

So i went and rolled back and installed OS X 10.9 ----- still the same problem.

Now I am going to roll back to OS X 10.8............   but i have a feeling this will be the same problem.

HAS ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM EXPERIENCE THIS ISSUE AFTER THE NETKAS.org UPGRADE?????

Any help is greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rezwits on January 06, 2015, 04:24:01 AM
Sucks you can't use bootcamp, but you should be able to just manually install Windows 7, or even 8.1.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mattlok on January 06, 2015, 05:57:30 AM
Issue resolved in case some one runs into the same problem.

Reset PRAM probably will fix your issue , its not related to the firmware upgrade tool .

Hi Waimtrp

That worked 100% --- THANK-YOU SO MUCH ---

I did the PRAM Reset (holding option+command+P+R while turning the computer on and waited for 2 chimes and released the keys) then it booted into Mac OS X 10.10 and ran boot camp no problem.  DId a fresh install of Windows 8.1 pro on a separate SSD drive.

Now it is working great again.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rezwits on January 06, 2015, 08:22:37 AM
You got 100%?

I got no iMessage and Failing FaceTime calls.

Everything else works.

Thanks for the heads up on this one.

I hope I can get them working again. :(

I think it's got something to do with the RSA key and the ESS server.

Laters...

off the top, does anyone know if an OS re-install will reset the UUID to be correctly matching? even tho it can't be i.e. the Serial number doesn't match 5,1 because it's a 4,1 machine serial number, for the security token... blah blah damn it,

any way if anyone has ran into this please let me know if a re-install will help thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rezwits on January 08, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
Well good news, after 48 hours my iMessage and FaceTime are completely working again.  STRANGE!  But I am so glad.

PEACE OUT


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on January 10, 2015, 12:03:01 AM
Hey all,
i tried to update my mac pro 4.1 to 5.1 with two six core cpus (x5670).. all went well so far - got a good guide and started with one CPU in tray A. Booted up and all was fine.. i noticed a small gap between the smaller chips (where the thermal compounds are) - so i tried to screw it little bit more. guess what!? CPU crashed.. and 2 pins from the Logic Board .... DAMMMNNNN.

I ordered a new processor board and the CPU isnt so costy (150$). My question is now: I have to re-do the firmware upgrade? It is saved on the Logicboard?
So i have to place the old quad CPU again into the tray CPU A , doing the upgrade and then carefully redo the sixcore replacement?

Just want to be sure..

Thanks in Advance.
Tom


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: whackit on January 15, 2015, 07:28:43 AM
Endless 5570 Errors. I am pretty stumped here. I have been trying to apply the patch, which I have successfully done before, to a new (to me) 4,1 2.26 octo.

Every time it hits "extracting and patching files" it returns the 5570 error. I have tried everything. Fresh Install, SMC and Pram reset, safe boot, different OSes. Clean installs. Everything. I am lost. I can't even figure out what the nature of there error is. I figure it is app related since it is during the file prep stage.  If anyone has ANY insight please help me!

EDIT: so on some further looking around I noticed the program downloads the EFI files from Apple. The link for the 5,1 firmware is currently dead: http://support.apple.com/downloads/DL1321/en_US/MacProEFIUpdate1.5.dmg

Perhaps this is it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: whackit on January 15, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Okay further investigation.

When I try to open the file EFI2010.dmg from the ramdisk I get an "image not recognized" fault. Also this .dmg is about 8k. The other .dmg contains the correct 2009 firmware package, about 2.1mb and opens correctly.  I imagine this is where the problem is. I have a copy of the correct 1.5 efi update for 2010 but can't seem too get the prog to use it locally.  I'm guessing this is where all the problems lie. Any tips would be much obliged.

EDIT.  I just tried it on my other machine which was recently upgraded successfully.  I tried to downgrade from 2010-2009 and received the same error at the same point. It is definitely something with the program I believe for sure now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: whackit on January 15, 2015, 10:17:08 PM
Okay Success!!

Here is what I did to get it to work.  I'm assuming it was a problem with downloading the correct 5,1 firmware image but I'm still not 100% sure. But this worked for me.

1. Locate a copy of the latest mac pro 5,1 firmware (MP51.007F.B03). They are out there.
2. Put the .dmg on your desktop and rename it "EFI2010.dmg"
3. Run the Firmware Tool App. Let it quit out at the 5570 error. It should leave a copy of the Ramdisk.
4. Mount the copy of the .dmg you downloaded.
5. Copy the "EFI2010.dmg" to the ramdisk and allow it to overwrite existing file.
6. Rerun App.

That is what worked for me. YMMV. Could have just been dumb luck but if you are pulling your hair out like I was it is worth a try.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tobyglyn on January 16, 2015, 05:27:23 AM
Okay Success!!

Here is what I did to get it to work.  I'm assuming it was a problem with downloading the correct 5,1 firmware image but I'm still not 100% sure. But this worked for me.

1. Locate a copy of the latest mac pro 5,1 firmware (MP51.007F.B03). They are out there.
2. Put the .dmg on your desktop and rename it "EFI2010.dmg"
3. Run the Firmware Tool App. Let it quit out at the 5570 error. It should leave a copy of the Ramdisk.
4. Mount the copy of the .dmg you downloaded.
5. Copy the "EFI2010.dmg" to the ramdisk and allow it to overwrite existing file.
6. Rerun App.

That is what worked for me. YMMV. Could have just been dumb luck but if you are pulling your hair out like I was it is worth a try.

I'm having the same problem but your suggestion didn't work :(


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chriscross on January 16, 2015, 09:03:32 AM
I can't find a copy of MP51.007F.B03 (EFI 1.5). Can you provide a link please?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on January 16, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
same issue here

here you are the link to download it
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201518


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: SamPotts on January 16, 2015, 10:52:21 AM
2nd time using the tool and it was just as awesome as the first. Cheers!

Now got a 6 core 3.33 and a 7970 thanks to your help with the GPU flash too! That plus the nMP's 1TB SSD and the 2009 MP flies.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on January 16, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
Okay Success!!

Here is what I did to get it to work.  I'm assuming it was a problem with downloading the correct 5,1 firmware image but I'm still not 100% sure. But this worked for me.

1. Locate a copy of the latest mac pro 5,1 firmware (MP51.007F.B03). They are out there.
2. Put the .dmg on your desktop and rename it "EFI2010.dmg"
3. Run the Firmware Tool App. Let it quit out at the 5570 error. It should leave a copy of the Ramdisk.
4. Mount the copy of the .dmg you downloaded.
5. Copy the "EFI2010.dmg" to the ramdisk and allow it to overwrite existing file.
6. Rerun App.

That is what worked for me. YMMV. Could have just been dumb luck but if you are pulling your hair out like I was it is worth a try.

it works, thank you


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: johnjobs on January 16, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
Okay Success!!

Here is what I did to get it to work.  I'm assuming it was a problem with downloading the correct 5,1 firmware image but I'm still not 100% sure. But this worked for me.

1. Locate a copy of the latest mac pro 5,1 firmware (MP51.007F.B03). They are out there.
2. Put the .dmg on your desktop and rename it "EFI2010.dmg"
3. Run the Firmware Tool App. Let it quit out at the 5570 error. It should leave a copy of the Ramdisk.
4. Mount the copy of the .dmg you downloaded.
5. Copy the "EFI2010.dmg" to the ramdisk and allow it to overwrite existing file.
6. Rerun App.

Your are brillant!
It works 100%, just upgrade my MP4,1 2x 2,26GHz to MP5,1 2x2,26GHz.

Thank you very much!

That is what worked for me. YMMV. Could have just been dumb luck but if you are pulling your hair out like I was it is worth a try.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on January 16, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
I have just bought a 2009 mac pro 4.1 and will be updating it to 5.1 in order to put some updated Xeons in
I was thinking of going for broke and getting a pair of 6 core 3.46GHz X5690's in there but noticed the comment in the first post about heat spreaders.
Can anyone confirm whether I will be able to put these processors in the machine? and whether there are any associated problems?
thanks!
Steve


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on January 16, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
I have just bought a 2009 mac pro 4.1 and will be updating it to 5.1 in order to put some updated Xeons in
I was thinking of going for broke and getting a pair of 6 core 3.46GHz X5690's in there but noticed the comment in the first post about heat spreaders.
Can anyone confirm whether I will be able to put these processors in the machine? and whether there are any associated problems?
thanks!
Steve


in macpro4,1 2009 with 2 cpus, you have to use washers to keep the heatsinks on a higher position. i usually use 2x 0,9mm plastic washer on each of the 4 supports of the hetasink (so 16 washers total, 8 per heatsink). sorry for my bad english


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tobyglyn on January 17, 2015, 12:58:10 AM
I had another look at the problem I was having. The fix is even simpler than described earlier.

Download the Mac Pro Firmware update 1.5 (MacProEFIUpdate.dmg) from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321

With the downloaded .dmg on the desktop, double click to reveal the package.

Now run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool. 

There is no need to rename or replace anything. The Firmware Tool grabs the package and does its magic with no 5570 error message.

Why we now need to manually download the firmware is another question.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on January 17, 2015, 01:07:56 AM
I have just bought a 2009 mac pro 4.1 and will be updating it to 5.1 in order to put some updated Xeons in
I was thinking of going for broke and getting a pair of 6 core 3.46GHz X5690's in there but noticed the comment in the first post about heat spreaders.
Can anyone confirm whether I will be able to put these processors in the machine? and whether there are any associated problems?
thanks!
Steve


in macpro4,1 2009 with 2 cpus, you have to use washers to keep the heatsinks on a higher position. i usually use 2x 0,9mm plastic washer on each of the 4 supports of the hetasink (so 16 washers total, 8 per heatsink). sorry for my bad english

Thanks so much!
That's great advise - I knew something wasn't straightforward.
And no problems using these X5690's with the washers then?
Your english is fine!! And no doubt better than me speaking your language!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: xelanaiznac on January 17, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
I have just bought a 2009 mac pro 4.1 and will be updating it to 5.1 in order to put some updated Xeons in
I was thinking of going for broke and getting a pair of 6 core 3.46GHz X5690's in there but noticed the comment in the first post about heat spreaders.
Can anyone confirm whether I will be able to put these processors in the machine? and whether there are any associated problems?
thanks!
Steve


in macpro4,1 2009 with 2 cpus, you have to use washers to keep the heatsinks on a higher position. i usually use 2x 0,9mm plastic washer on each of the 4 supports of the hetasink (so 16 washers total, 8 per heatsink). sorry for my bad english

Thanks so much!
That's great advise - I knew something wasn't straightforward.
And no problems using these X5690's with the washers then?
Your english is fine!! And no doubt better than me speaking your language!!!

sure, no problem with x5690 (i used them). good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rocketship Randal on January 17, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
I have a 2009 4.1 Mac Pro 2x2.26 quad core. I tried utilizing the 2009-2010 Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility. While downloading I encountered a "5570 error". I erased and tried a couple alternate attempts with the same result.
Thanks to MacEFIRom for his diligence and sharing his insight, its greatly appreciated by this user. Special thank you to Tobyglyn on page 55 for addressing the work around for error code 5570. Your approach worked easily for me, and I'm grateful.

Cheers,


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Discosoap on January 19, 2015, 01:38:05 PM
Thanks all of you who contributed to this thread, without your help it would have been impossible to pull off. I read all of the replies, looked at the photo's and video's and finally acquired all required components and tools. Updated a 2 x 2.26 E5520 4.1 with a HD4870 to a 2 x 2.93 X5670 5.1 with a HD7950 +SSD bootdrive. Geekbench scores went from 12500 to 27000, i.e. this thing kicks ass :-D Thank you all


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on January 20, 2015, 12:33:13 AM
Hey all,
i tried to update my mac pro 4.1 to 5.1 with two six core cpus (x5670).. all went well so far - got a good guide and started with one CPU in tray A. Booted up and all was fine.. i noticed a small gap between the smaller chips (where the thermal compounds are) - so i tried to screw it little bit more. guess what!? CPU crashed.. and 2 pins from the Logic Board .... DAMMMNNNN.

I ordered a new processor board and the CPU isnt so costy (150$). My question is now: I have to re-do the firmware upgrade? It is saved on the Logicboard?
So i have to place the old quad CPU again into the tray CPU A , doing the upgrade and then carefully redo the sixcore replacement?

Just want to be sure..

Thanks in Advance.
Tom

No one on this one???? Would be cool to get an information on that..


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macandlinuxuser on January 20, 2015, 03:10:12 AM
The suggestion, from mattock, about resetting the PRAM, worked for me.  I had the same problem.  Major kudos to you.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bibfortunato on January 21, 2015, 07:25:43 AM
Okay Success!!

Here is what I did to get it to work.  I'm assuming it was a problem with downloading the correct 5,1 firmware image but I'm still not 100% sure. But this worked for me.

1. Locate a copy of the latest mac pro 5,1 firmware (MP51.007F.B03). They are out there.
2. Put the .dmg on your desktop and rename it "EFI2010.dmg"
3. Run the Firmware Tool App. Let it quit out at the 5570 error. It should leave a copy of the Ramdisk.
4. Mount the copy of the .dmg you downloaded.
5. Copy the "EFI2010.dmg" to the ramdisk and allow it to overwrite existing file.
6. Rerun App.

That is what worked for me. YMMV. Could have just been dumb luck but if you are pulling your hair out like I was it is worth a try.


AWESOME!! I was having the same problem.  5570 errors.  Frustrations galore!!!! Tried your method and worked on the first try. WAHOOO. Thank you!!!! Thank you SOOOOOOOO much!  Now to install the new processors.

BTW  I just googled MP51.007F.B03 and downloaded the .dmg directly from apple.  Currently http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321 here.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jundamian on January 24, 2015, 04:25:33 AM
I had another look at the problem I was having. The fix is even simpler than described earlier.

Download the Mac Pro Firmware update 1.5 (MacProEFIUpdate.dmg) from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321

With the downloaded .dmg on the desktop, double click to reveal the package.

Now run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool. 

There is no need to rename or replace anything. The Firmware Tool grabs the package and does its magic with no 5570 error message.

Why we now need to manually download the firmware is another question.

Thank you so much...I did the firmware upgrade so many times without issues, then "error 5570"...I tried for 3 hours, from replacing the memory,
CPU, Video Card, dual processor to single processor, I should have just read your post. :)



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Condeavor1 on January 25, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
The app is reporting 2010 EFI is installed in Yosemite, but my system report is not reflecting it. I've cleared the PRAM, but cannot think of why it may not be functioning. I'm have yet to see if Windows is seeing the full RAM speed, but am not confident. If anyone has had similar issues, i would appreciate.

2009 Pro 2x2.93 x5570
32GB OWC 1333Mhz (1066 Showing)

EDIT1: I now see it's limited to Lion... dammit

EDIT2: OK, so after entering Windows it shows my EFI as 5,1 so it's there obviously. I'm still trying to fin the exact clocking of the RAM (been a while since I went that in-depth while in Windows, and it's Windows 10 Beta, so...), but Geekbench reported single stream processes at 1334... so I may not be interpreting that right, so correct me if im wrong in saying thw 1333Mhz is active?

EDIT3: I have now installed Lion on a secondary SSD and I do see under Hardware it listing (as it did in Yosemite) as a 5,1- but should it still show 2009 Mac Pro on the About this Mac page? Also, no change in RAM. According to Intel, these processors fully support 1333Mhz RAM.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on January 29, 2015, 12:13:29 AM
Hello,
finally i got the 12 core installed with a brand new Logicboard. Now i have a problem with the Temp Sensor of CPU A. It is not shown anywhere - just CPU B !? The connector is plugged correctly.
Anyone experience with that?

Thanks in Advance.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: audio_inside on January 29, 2015, 11:09:25 PM
I have a 2009 4.1 Mac Pro 2x2.26 quad core. I tried utilizing the 2009-2010 Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility. While downloading I encountered a "5570 error".

I have the same machine, prepping for upgrade to X5690s.  Fresh install of Mavericks 10.9.2 on a single 1TB Hitachi drive w/GT120 graphics.   

Ran into the same 5570 error on several attempts, solved it by making sure that MacProEFIUpdate.dmg was MOUNTED before running the Firmware Tool.   Rebooted with successful firmware reflash, a couple of CMD-OPT-P-R reboots on a USB keyboard and I'm fully updated.

So if your machine is relatively vanilla like mine then YES, this Firmware Tool can be used successfully under Mavericks.   (FWIW, I started out with the B08 refurb firmware.)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: James Lemon 007 on January 30, 2015, 11:47:18 AM
Dang..
I ran the 2009 to 2010 tool, it says 5.1

But, even after several times PRAM and SMC reset, it sticks 1066.
The Ram is 3x8GB OWC 1333, in Slot 1, 2 and 3. Its the Ram for the 2010 Mac Pro.

Is that limited to ram size ?
Or does it have to be 12 core ?
Any one tried this with the X5550 successfully ?

I read that the original 2 processor 8 core X5550 2.66 is capable of running 1333 ram.
since it does not work, I wanted to go back, because I use a SSD PCI card and with 5.1 we can't choose the startup disk from cold boot.

Now I cant downgrade any more, 5570 error, downloading and mounting the 2009 EFI.dmg didn't help either.

Any one knows more ?

I build several Hackintoshes from the first one, the Core 2 Duo.
So I do unterstand its risky, just hoping some one had the same problem.
Other wise I`ll get a couple of Xeons and upgrade.
But im worried that the Ram still stays 1066.

thanks a lot.
Lemon


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on January 30, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Dang..
I ran the 2009 to 2010 tool, it says 5.1

But, even after several times PRAM and SMC reset, it sticks 1066.
The Ram is 3x8GB OWC 1333, in Slot 1, 2 and 3. Its the Ram for the 2010 Mac Pro.

Is that limited to ram size ?
Or does it have to be 12 core ?
Any one tried this with the X5550 successfully ?

I read that the original 2 processor 8 core X5550 2.66 is capable of running 1333 ram.
since it does not work, I wanted to go back, because I use a SSD PCI card and with 5.1 we can't choose the startup disk from cold boot.

Now I cant downgrade any more, 5570 error, downloading and mounting the 2009 EFI.dmg didn't help either.

Any one knows more ?

I build several Hackintoshes from the first one, the Core 2 Duo.
So I do unterstand its risky, just hoping some one had the same problem.
Other wise I`ll get a couple of Xeons and upgrade.
But im worried that the Ram still stays 1066.

thanks a lot.
Lemon

I guess this has to do with the Quad Core Prozessor. I upgraded from 2 x Quad to 2 x Hexa (2,93 Ghz) and then the RAM was switched to 1333 Mhz.
If you got this Error message (5570) , please read some posts before..

And you dont have any disadvantage upgrading to the 5.1 ...
Best
MrMister


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: James Lemon 007 on January 30, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
I guess this has to do with the Quad Core Prozessor. I upgraded from 2 x Quad to 2 x Hexa (2,93 Ghz) and then the RAM was switched to 1333 Mhz.
If you got this Error message (5570) , please read some posts before..
And you dont have any disadvantage upgrading to the 5.1 ...
Best
MrMister

Hello MrMister,
thanks for the response.
Yes makes sense, that it is the 2 hexa v.s. 2 quad cores.

I did read the posts and mounted the 2009 FW image.
When I spooled on the 5.1, I had to do that also.
But now even with mounted dmg that did work.

If you have a SSD PCIE card from Sonett, there is a disadvantage,
thats the reason why I try to down grade.
One the disadvantage is that it runs hotter, at least the IOH heat sink of the IOH Tdiode is much hotter than before.

Not sure if you meant the mounting of the FW image.  
Did I miss something ?

I took out the Sonnet SSD Card and replaced the graphics card with the AppleGT120 for flashing.
No dice, I get always the 5570 Error.

I didn't have that special 2009 refurbished EFI on it, I checked that first.

Thanks again =)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fstop65 on February 03, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Hello. Just want to make sure that I am reading this correctly before ordering the new processor....

I have a Mac Pro 4.1 with 1 Quad Core 2.93 Ghz. processor, 24GB of 1066 ram.

I should be able to run this firmware updater, and then I should be able to install 1 Intel Xeon X5690 Hexa 6-Core 3.46GHz 12M 6.40GT/s CPU - SLBVX processor?

Presuming this to be correct, how substantial of a boost should I expect from the processor swap, with or without swapping the RAM?  Thanks! I am really happy with my machine, but would certainly like to extend it's life a few more years if possible.

Bill


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fstop65 on February 03, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
Hello. Just want to make sure that I am reading this correctly before ordering the new processor....

I have a Mac Pro 4.1 with 1 Quad Core 2.93 Ghz. processor, 24GB of 1066 ram.

I should be able to run this firmware updater, and then I should be able to install 1 Intel Xeon X5690 Hexa 6-Core 3.46GHz 12M 6.40GT/s CPU - SLBVX processor?

Presuming this to be correct, how substantial of a boost should I expect from the processor swap, with or without swapping the RAM?  Thanks! I am really happy with my machine, but would certainly like to extend it's life a few more years if possible.

Bill




As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on February 04, 2015, 12:01:45 AM
IF you dont have a refurbished Mac, then it should be no problem. Once you hacked the firmware to a 5.1 you cannot go back.
and yes - one 6 core (W3690 as a maximum of 3,46ghz for example here: http://goo.gl/G7Qr4d ) will work - the X5690 are for Dual CPU Boards!!!!!. after you update the firmware you can use then the new cpu plus - if you have - 1333mhz RAM.

Tom

Hello. Just want to make sure that I am reading this correctly before ordering the new processor....

I have a Mac Pro 4.1 with 1 Quad Core 2.93 Ghz. processor, 24GB of 1066 ram.

I should be able to run this firmware updater, and then I should be able to install 1 Intel Xeon X5690 Hexa 6-Core 3.46GHz 12M 6.40GT/s CPU - SLBVX processor?

Presuming this to be correct, how substantial of a boost should I expect from the processor swap, with or without swapping the RAM?  Thanks! I am really happy with my machine, but would certainly like to extend it's life a few more years if possible.

Bill




As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 04, 2015, 05:05:05 AM
Running a 5690 on a single CPU board is fine, it actually lets you use a full 64GB of RAM while a 3690 will max out at 56GB.

And you CAN revert to 4,1 if you want but I can't think of a reason why you would want to.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bunko on February 04, 2015, 11:14:49 AM
ran the 2009to2010tool (succesfully) on yosemite with ssd - yay


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on February 04, 2015, 12:01:13 PM
Running a 5690 on a single CPU board is fine, it actually lets you use a full 64GB of RAM while a 3690 will max out at 56GB.

And you CAN revert to 4,1 if you want but I can't think of a reason why you would want to.
Oh ok - then you corrected me :) But with the refurbished Macs you cannot go back to 4.1 - this is what in several reports. anyway.. good luck with the upgrade

Can someone suggest a good graphics card for the mac?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: audio_inside on February 04, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this and associated Macrumors threads!

Starting with an early 2009 MacPro4,1 2.26GHZ 8-core MB535LL/A I am now upgraded to a MacPro5,1 with dual 3.46GHz X5690s, all components but OWC RAM sourced on eBay.  Entire installation went without a hitch.

1x MacPro4,1        $720
2x X5690              $490
3x 8GB 1333 RAM  $250
1x NT-H1 Grease       $7
1x Thermal pad       $10
Netkas.org donation  $5
Total:                  $1483

Geekbench 3 score: 32360

After disassembly I could see that the previous unlidded CPUs had allowed the copper heatsinks to rest directly in contact with the standoffs.   So I measured the thickness of the unlidded E5520 and lidded X5690 and found a 2.2mm height difference, which I accommodated with 2 washers plus foil shims to make up the exact height.   Used thin "asterisk" pattern of NT-H1 on the CPUs and built up 3mm thermal pad on each heatsink.  Clipped the fan connector tabs and seated them fully in their sockets before beginning to screw down the heatsinks.   Tightened down each screw in the recommended pattern and got about 3.5 turns until "finger tight" and heat sink was just meeting the washers, and went no further.  Confirmed visually that the NT-H1 had spread to all edges of the IHS on each CPU.

Installed one CPU at a time and got a boot chime + no diagnostics LEDs on the first try each CPU.  After A CPU install, had successful boot but full fan after about 90 seconds as reported elsewhere (on Macrumors (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13796503&postcount=296)).  Normal fan operation now after completing the B CPU install.

With the case open, I see idle CPU A/B temps at 36/29C and peak temps of 48/41C during a single Geekbench pass, with the Northbridge running at about 58C irrespective of load.   No fans ramp up during the single-pass test.

Now to start running a 24-hr stress test and we'll see how it holds up!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fstop65 on February 09, 2015, 04:43:41 AM
I have just upgraded my Early 2009 Mac Pro 4.1 2.93 Ghz Quad core to the 5.1 Firmware and a Hex core 3.46 Ghz. I currently have 24 GB of 1066 RAM (3 8Gb ) . Any clue if upgrading the RAM to 1333 will allow the system to run faster, as a result of the higher speed memory, or is it limited because of buss speed... And if it does offer an improvement, is it enough to warrant the 200 or so it will cost to swap out the memory?

Thanks for any insight

Bill


As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on February 10, 2015, 05:54:35 AM
For $200, I'd say no, the performance increase is very small from my (simple) testing.  I'd guess maybe 2% faster overall.  I'm sure it depends on exactly what you're doing, but unless the RAM speed was your bottleneck, you'd be better off spend the $200 on something else.  To get a better answer, (I wouldn't have one) what do you primarily do with the mac?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fstop65 on February 10, 2015, 06:10:01 PM
Mostly, I do Image editing in both Photoshop and Lightroom. Some basic video editing as well. If I trade bback 24GB of 1066 and buy new 1333 mhz, winds up to a bit over $200. Heck for that, I suppose I could but in another 16gb of 1066... Make more sense?

Bill


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: shyamchandar on February 11, 2015, 03:14:34 PM
Hi, I keep getting the message "the program has encountered an error 5570" on both my Mac Pro 4,1 quad core 2.66Ghz
Kindly help me to sole this issue. I have tried to download the utility many times but failed.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fstop65 on February 11, 2015, 03:40:01 PM
I had the same thing...

First you have to Mount the EFI2010.dmg file
While it is mounted,  then run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware tool

Hope this helps you.

I still have all of the files if you need them...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 11, 2015, 04:56:09 PM
I have successfully upgraded and downgraded on my MacPro 4,1.  Before buying a 6-core CPU I wanted to make sure the firmware would work for me, and it did, and that's really great.  

I also have an upgraded BCM94360CD and adapter card for Handoff support, and along with the Coherence Enabler I have fully functional interoperability between my phone, my iPad, and my Mac.  During my time on the 5,1 firmware, Handoff didn't work at all. The phone did not show the Mac as an option to forward SMS to. Also, what seemed odd to me is that the About This Mac screen showed that it was still a 2009 Mac Pro, although the system profiler showed MacPro5,1 and the MP51 boot ROM.  So I'm pretty sure the upgrade process went as it should.  I was still signed into iCloud, Messages, and FaceTime, but the actual functionality was pretty limited.  I could not send SMS or see SMS on the Mac, and I did not see incoming calls, but I could make outgoing FaceTime calls using the iPhone (tested by actually placing a call and talking to someone).  None of the Apple apps that support handoff would show in my dock, so I couldn't pass Safari pages or whatever else.  Incidentally it also seems to have broken Handoff between my iPad and iPhone.

After downgrading to 4,1 firmware, everything magically started working again.  The Mac Pro showed up as an option to forward on my phone, the iPad and the iPhone started talking to each other again, Handoff works great, and so on.

Has anybody else messed with this specific combination of wifi/Bluetooth hardware, iOS devices, and firmware?  Do I need to choose between a 6-core CPU and Handoff in Yosemite?  Hard choice to make right now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: afi8907 on February 11, 2015, 09:51:42 PM
literally just opened an account on here for this and i can't figure out how to download it. HELP!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wicked1 on February 14, 2015, 01:35:48 AM
I have an early 2009 Mac Pro (4.1) that I want to upgrade the firmware to 5.1.

I've downloaded the zip file and started the upgrade process, but keep getting an "Error 5570" message (it goes through "creating Ram Disk, Downloading Files, Creating Scripts, then starts Extracting and Patching files when the error message comes up on the screen.

I'm running OS X 10.8.5 on a Samsung XP941 PCie SSD (512GB) - and just wondering if that could be the issue?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 14, 2015, 01:37:13 AM
The answer is all over this thread.  Download the official 2010 MP firmware from Apple, mount the DMG, and then try again.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wicked1 on February 14, 2015, 01:50:07 AM
Thanks, that worked. I thought the firmware was downloaded by the script.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 14, 2015, 02:59:42 AM
My guess is it got moved by Apple and the script hasn't been updated.  Glad it worked.

If someone using Coherence could let me know if that stuff works for them, that'd be awesome.  I'd really like to get it working and upgrade to a 6-core. :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released! Xeon CPUs
Post by: wicked1 on February 14, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
Not sure if this is the place to post this but I thought I might alert members if they don't already know, that IT Creations is a great place to purchase their upgraded CPUs - they have a huge selection at great prices.

I went from an 8-core 2.26 to 12 core 2.93 system. Bought both CPUs from IT Creations for a combined total of $330.00. Best of all, all of their CPUs come with a one year warranty (most others I've seen are 30 to 90 day max). The two I bought were targeted at IBM systems and came with an IBM product designation and IBM heat sinks - not that you would use those.

Shipping was free - FedEx ground. Placed the order on 2-10-2015 and received it yesterday 2-13-2015 (shipped from CA to Oregon - your timing may vary).

So far everything is running smoothly.  :o

Now all I need to do is upgrade my graphics card to a GTX680.

Thanks to all for this thread - sure beats spending another $4-$5,000 or more on a new system! (Also if you don't mind the time and effort, a heck of a lot less than the people on eBay are charging for these upgrades.)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 14, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
That's for sure. I only spent $60 on my CPU (3.2GHz quad) for now, until I get my other issue sorted, but buying a base Mac Pro for $499 (got mine at Used Mac) then adding my own RAM, SSD, CPU, and graphics is cheaper even than buying a higher-end classic Mac Pro with everything you want right from the get-go. With 24GB of RAM and 2x256GB SSDs, I've got like $1000 in this system.  Even if I spent $200 to get a six-core I'm still at less than half of a new Mac Pro and way more than half the performance, even faster depending on what I'm doing.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thedan1999 on February 18, 2015, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from Aitte January 10, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
Quote
he then buys two outdated 130 Watt CPUs for his dual-CPU Mac Pro, whose CPU slots are only intended for 95 Watts each, meaning that he puts 37% electrical overload on his system per-CPU-slot and causes his fans to run at 1800rpm instead of 1100rpm.

I'm considering putting x5690s in my 2009 dual processor Mac Pro, but I am concerned about excess heat/power consumption based on Aitte's post. It looks like there are lots of successful X5690 installations-- does anybody have any long-term results about the x5690 vs. a lower-power X5675?

CPUBoss.com says that the maximum operating temperature for the x5690 is 81.3°C vs 78.5°C for the x5675. That doesn't seem like a major difference (but I am not an engineer). Is anybody finding that their CPU fans are running at 1800 rpm all the time, or the lifespan of their system is significantly shorter?

Also, are x5690s still the best option for this upgrade, or are there newer better (perhaps lower power) options available now.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 18, 2015, 05:02:01 PM
well if you wanted to stay at the 95W level, you could opt for X5675s, which are 3.06GHz six-core CPUs with a TDP of 95W.

I figured out my issue with FaceTime and Messages dying with the 5,1 firmware flashed.  Last night I signed out of both prior to upgrading and re-did the upgrade.  When I signed back in, everything was fine.  Now i'm on the 5,1 firmware with messages and phone calls being routed to the Mac Pro. Now it's time for me to get my own 6-core CPU.  W3680 for my single-core would be about as fast as I could possibly get without a huge price premium.  W3670 is around $180, W3680 is around $200-210, and W3690 is more like $270 right now on eBay.  The middle ground one is a good place to occupy I think.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: uwfotoguy on February 21, 2015, 09:26:28 AM
Thanks for all the info about the upgrade. I was scared to do this because I use my machine for my daily work, but thanks to all the info here I did it!!!!
Just as stated in other posts, I got the 5570 error, so I downloaded the 2010 5,1 EFI DMG from the Apple web site and renamed it EFI2010.dmg, mounted it and ran the tool.
It worked like a charm! Now I just have to brave this weekend and do the processor upgrade to the W3690 3.46Ghz chip.
Wish me LUCK!!!!!  Thx ALL, Tom  :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 21, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
Good luck, Tom. :D

These older Mac Pros are awesome.  With a new 6-core CPU, new 7950 or 7970 (or 280/280X) video card, and one of the Apple SSDs (Macrumors link (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1685821)) they're just as fast as basically anything Apple sells today.  Ivy Bridge-E is faster per-core, so the 6/8/12-core new Mac Pro might be faster CPU wise, and the dual GPUs can each be as fast as the R9 290, but that's about it.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility - having problems for me.
Post by: Rhinophant on February 21, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
Hi... Not sure why, but does anyone have any ideas why i can't do the 4.1 to 5.1 firmware update? THANK YOU!
Aside from the info provided, I'm running Mavericks 10.9.5
I've attached a .jpg of what messages I'm getting - any help would be greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 21, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
You ran the wrong package. Don't run the package from the Apple firmware website, just mount it.  Run the package from the OP of this thread.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rhinophant on February 21, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
Oops! okay - that worked perfectly. one question... About This Mac screen still shows as Early 2009. but it is 5.1 now. No biggie but is there a way to change that as well? I zapped my PRAM after the update in case you were wondering + Thanks for your help!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 21, 2015, 08:45:17 PM
Yeah, mine does too. I have no answer for that. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ct83 on February 22, 2015, 02:53:29 AM
Hello,

I recently upgraded my processors in my early 2009 mac pro from the stock 2.66 4 core to 3.46 6 cores.  Thanks to this thread and the firmware upgrade tool everything seemed to go smoothly.  Both processors are recognized except now only the RAM I have installed in slots 1-4 is showing up.  I have the same DDR3 ECC 1066MHZ RAM installed on slots 5-8 that used to show up before the CPU upgrade.  Now system profiler acts like there isn't anything installed in 5-8.  There are 4 red LED lights on my logic board lit up that start with the numbers DSD700.  I have DDR3 ECC 1333MHZ RAM on the way I am going to replace the 1066 with, however I'm worried something is wrong since only half the current RAM is showing up.  Anyone have any ideas on what is going wrong?  I have tried zapping the PRAM and reseting the SMC.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on February 22, 2015, 03:30:13 AM
Do you still have the original processors? Could you reinstall them, flash it back to 4,1 and then make sure the memory works, and then flash it back?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ct83 on February 22, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
No because mine is a refurb that had the 08 firmware.  From what I read I can't go back.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ct83 on February 22, 2015, 07:09:47 PM
Turns out it was installation error on my part.  I took off the heat sink for CPU B and reseated it back on a little tighter with the screws than before and all RAM is showing up again. 

Everything seems to be working great now and my geekbench score went from 12523 to 28271!

Thanks so much for this wonderful utility that just doubled my CPU power and saved me from having to buy a new computer for years to come!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Dogman on February 25, 2015, 03:59:35 PM
Hey guys,

I upgraded my MacPro 4.1 (two 2.26 GHz) to new processors. I upgraded the firmware (checked in system preferences) and afterwards installed the processors. I booted the system and everything went fine. I had to reinstall the CPUs afterwards a second time to add the 5mm silikon thermal pad.

Now the Mac Pro starts up, the white led on front is solid white, but without the chime sound and no screen on the display. All diagnostic LEDs are fine: no CPU failure, no RAM problems. Pressing the DIAG buttons confirms: PSU PWROK (green), 5V STBY (yellow), EFI DONE (green), GPU OK (green) LEDs are illuminated.

I tried to start the system holding cmd + alt + p + r to reset the PRAM, but nothing happened.

After trying a couple of times, the system booted once, but I did not have a hard drive connected. I turned the mac pro off, connected the hard drive and started again: nothing. Same as ever. No luck since then, with and without the hard drive.

I even tried to switch back to the original cpus: same same.

Any ideas? Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ct83 on February 25, 2015, 06:14:03 PM
Hey Dogman,

I had a similar thing happen during my installation.  First time I booted my computer with the new processors it booted but the CPU fan instantly started running top speed.  I read someone else had the same issue and it had to do with the heat sinks not being on just right.  So I adjusted the heat sinks and tightened the screws a little more than before.  Now when I tried to boot I had the same issue as you where the white power LED would light up but then the computer just sat there and wouldn't boot.  So again I took the board out and tried to line up the heat sinks more evenly and find the sweet spot on how much to tighten the screws.  It took about 5 attempts but then it finally worked.  Computer booted up and no fan noise.  However RAM slots 5-8 were not being recognized by the computer.  Once again this was due to CPU B's heat sink not being set on correctly.  Once I messed with that a bit more everything worked great and has been since. 

So I don't know if that helps but I know the heat sinks have to be on there just right with just the right amount of tension on the screws or something isn't going to work right.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Dogman on February 25, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
hey ct83!

Thank you for your answer, it brings back some hope  ;D
Did you actually remove the whole heatsink with the cpu or did you just retighten the screws? I'll give it a try as soon as I can.

Cheers,
Dogman


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ct83 on February 26, 2015, 12:13:27 AM
When I was having your problem I removed the whole heat sink and realigned it.  I noticed CPU A's heat sink can tend to rock to the fromt or back pretty easily when it should be placed as flat as possible before tightening screws.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Finesse on February 26, 2015, 01:36:48 AM
Hey guys, I just picked up a pair of Intel Xeon 3.46 GHz for $200 each. I got lucky. Already did the firmware upgrade. Now for the really messed up part. These were lidded, I saw a video of a guy delidding CPUs by clamping it on a vise, then put a piece of wood on one side and the hit repeatedly with a hammer on the other side of the wood. I did it, and successfully delidded both of the CPUs. Now I didn't know that the IHS had been soldered on. It still had the adhesive strip. But, there was a soft solder on the dye that I managed to scrape off with a card. I'm about to begin the upgrade. No washers as the CPUs now have no lids. Wish me luck.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on February 26, 2015, 05:56:35 AM
Very important to use a Metric hammer.

But seriously, "clamp in a vise and hit with a hammer" doesn't sound like best plan.

If it works, great news.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Finesse on February 26, 2015, 07:49:53 AM
All is well. I counted 8 and a half turns when I unscrewed the heatsink. But when I put it back together, I only counted about 6 and a half turns. It felt tight and I didn't want to risk damaging it. So I put the tray back in, fired it up. Bam, it worked, both CPUs are fine, temps were normal. Fans were around 1100 rpm. Ran geekbench, scored 26652 for 32-bit and 28598 on 64-bit. I'm thoroughly satisfied.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Dogman on February 26, 2015, 12:46:53 PM
No luck so far. I reinstalled the new CPUs a couple of times: nothing. Switched back to the original ones: nothing.
Any other idea, what I could do?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tobyglyn on February 26, 2015, 11:51:25 PM
No luck so far. I reinstalled the new CPUs a couple of times: nothing. Switched back to the original ones: nothing.
Any other idea, what I could do?

Have you checked to make sure no pins are bent in the CPU sockets?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mcqueener on February 27, 2015, 12:43:07 AM
Hey guys I have a quick question.  I did the firmware update.  At first i for the 5770 error. So I mounted the 5,1 .dmg from apple.  And ran the updated again.  It said it was successful, but after a reboot it still says 4,1 for the model identifier.  Am I ok to proceed with upgrading the chips? Or should I re-run the updater. I just wondered if it still said 4,1 because of the 8 core nehalem chips. And was wondering if it will say 5,1 after changing to the 2.66 hex core westmere chips that I have.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on February 27, 2015, 03:36:34 AM
No, don't change out the CPUs.  the Model Identifier should say MacPro 5,1 and the Boot ROM Version should say MP51.007F.B03  If it doesn't, the new CPUs won't work.

Did you hold the power button til it flashes/beeps to make sure it updates?  If you don't have a genuine Apple Video card it also may not update.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mcqueener on February 27, 2015, 04:00:46 AM
No I didn't do that part.  Crap...well I have screwed up. I went ahead and tried to put them in and I never got post, I kept mounting and unmounting and the. I thought maybe the cooling towers weren't tight enough, I tried 4 times.  Finally got them too tight and bent 3 pins on each socket and ruined I have a 1 pad from each hex core chip that fell off the bottom.  Am I screwed? Can you un bend the pins?

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg.html)

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tobyglyn on February 28, 2015, 12:55:47 AM
No I didn't do that part.  Crap...well I have screwed up. I went ahead and tried to put them in and I never got post, I kept mounting and unmounting and the. I thought maybe the cooling towers weren't tight enough, I tried 4 times.  Finally got them too tight and bent 3 pins on each socket and ruined I have a 1 pad from each hex core chip that fell off the bottom.  Am I screwed? Can you un bend the pins?

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg.html)

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg.html)

Sometimes it's possible to straighten bent pins but it is fiddly work and success depends on how badly and how many are bent. Yours look pretty bad and then there are the components off the CPUs which would require soldering skills to repair. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: maathor on February 28, 2015, 12:36:35 PM
Hi, wanna download EFI2010.dmg but it's not available on apple support website, have you a copy of this file available somewhere ?
I have an 404 Error


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sagenumwoben on February 28, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
i got a File from downloadplex.com (http://www.downloadplex.com/Drivers/Firmware/Others/Specifications-apple-mac-pro-efi-firmware-1.5_329875.html)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rhinophant on February 28, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
Regarding my MacPro4.1 to 5.1 firmware. so it is a 5.1 now and i have replaced my dimms with 1333mhz ones, zapped the pram a few times now, but it still shows 1066mhz.? am i missing something? - just wondering why my memory doesn't show as 1333mhz. my machine still has its 2x 2.66 X5550's in it for now. Thanks for your help!



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on March 01, 2015, 01:14:04 AM
Regarding my MacPro4.1 to 5.1 firmware. so it is a 5.1 now and i have replaced my dimms with 1333mhz ones, zapped the pram a few times now, but it still shows 1066mhz.? am i missing something? - just wondering why my memory doesn't show as 1333mhz. my machine still has its 2x 2.66 X5550's in it for now. Thanks for your help!



Make a SMC Reset.. then 2 x PRRAM Reset.. Your new memory is completely 10600R Memory? should be in best case a triple pair.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MrMister on March 01, 2015, 01:26:02 AM
No I didn't do that part.  Crap...well I have screwed up. I went ahead and tried to put them in and I never got post, I kept mounting and unmounting and the. I thought maybe the cooling towers weren't tight enough, I tried 4 times.  Finally got them too tight and bent 3 pins on each socket and ruined I have a 1 pad from each hex core chip that fell off the bottom.  Am I screwed? Can you un bend the pins?

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E585EB27-241F-4B59-8A4B-F9032F9B46D2_zpsq2jareup.jpg.html)

(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd478/mattmcqueen88/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg) (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/mattmcqueen88/media/E0E3693D-8B52-45B6-A7FD-1891E4E7C995_zpsyf9swdyr.jpg.html)

This Logicboard is definitely broken!!! plus one of your CPUs (the small tile is glued on one bend) is broken too.
If you ll bend it back, it will not boot up! Only solution is to buy a new Logicboard.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DeerSteak on March 01, 2015, 02:05:56 PM
Hi, wanna download EFI2010.dmg but it's not available on apple support website, have you a copy of this file available somewhere ?
I have an 404 Error

It downloaded fine for me from here: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: maathor on March 02, 2015, 01:39:23 PM
It's works now


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ricbi on March 10, 2015, 05:47:29 PM
This worked for me! Thanks for the step by step instructions. It is important to keep the downloaded EFI update file on the desktop. I didn't do this initially and it would give me an error.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 10, 2015, 10:58:39 PM
So glad I found this thread.
I'm looking to upgrade my Mac Pro 2.66GHz 4,1 to a higher performing CPU.
I'm just a little stuck on which CPU configuration will give me the best results.
I found a a complete W3680 6 core 3.33GHz CPU Processor Tray for £450.
I then found a Xeon W3680 6 core 3.33GHz Processor only for £190.
I also found a Xeon W3690 3.46GHz 12MB LGA1366 Hex Core from Hong Kong.
So would there be much difference between the W3680 and W3690?

I suppose it's easier to slide a tray in and out rather than cleaning the old CPU and applying heat sink to the new one hoping I don't tighten the heat sink too tight or not tight enough, but is that worth the extra £260, although I am competent enough to change the CPU only.

I've upgraded everything else and can believe it's taken me 4 years to find this post.

I just need a little direction before I take the plunge. Is there a noticeable difference between the 2.66GHz and 3.33GHz?

Off to read 60 pages now!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 11, 2015, 01:39:36 AM
If you have the single processor (which I assume you do if you're looking at the processors you are) there is no good reason to buy the tray with a single processor.  Your unit uses standard intel processors, there is no risk of over tightening, this is for the dual processor models.  I would buy an W3690 or X5690.  As far as I know, you could also use the i7-990X if you did not have ECC RAM.  (never tried myself)  I also believe there are some RAM limits with the W3690, where you may be best off with the X5690, which is usually a little cheaper and easier to find anyways.

Good luck!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 11, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
Thanks Smiggly, your reply is perfect. When you mention not needing to work about over tightening; is this because the screws/bolts won't tighten any more, they reach the end of the thread. Would any of the replacement CPU's be thicker than the original 2.66.

Decided to search for the X5690. You're right, plenty available but unfortunately not in the UK.

Oh and by the way - yes you are right, I have the single CPU version. Is it possible to replace a single tray with a dual. If so, is this worth thinking about?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 11, 2015, 11:47:27 AM
Is the link MacEFIRom still relevant as he posted back in 2011?

I just watched a video where the guy used the 5,1 Firmware download from apple support. Just wondering whether the firmware downloads ha improved since MaEFIRom post his original groundbreaking post.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 11, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
So I've been reading up on the procedure of firmware upgrade followed by CPU upgrade and the stand out issue seems to be tightening the cooling tower. I appreciate a couple of posts back when Smiggly mentions that the issue of torque only applies to the 2xCPU version.
The only information I can find is "tighten finger tight and a little more" - mmmm!
Is there really any need to take the torque setting seriously and use a tool like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-STS103-Digital-Torque-Screwdriver/dp/B00NFR8JAS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426102074&sr=8-2&keywords=torque+screwdriver.

I did read an article that stated the 2.66GHz dual is set at 1nm.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 11, 2015, 09:58:22 PM
The single processor model uses a standard processor, so you do not need to worry about what you read about tightening finger tight etc, since the CPU you're replacing it with is the same size apple expects, it will fit in there just as expected and cannot be over tightened.

As far as I know the firmware is the same, it was when I updated a few months ago anyways.  Apple doesn't update often, usually only if there are issues.

I know you can replace with a dual board, but I'm not sure the exact procedure, or if the 4,1 and 5,1 cpu boards are the same.   I believe you just have to make sure they are both the same firmware and it should work just fine, I suggest you look this up further, or ask who you're planning to purchase from to make sure it's compatible and that you can return if it's not.  Honestly it's probably cheaper to just buy a new unit, at least in the US, international shipping might make it difficult, compare what it'd cost to buy a new unit plus the CPUs vs the cost.  If you buy a dual cpu tray, there are some sellers on ebay that sell delidded cpus, they cost a little more, but if you use this you do not need to worry about overtightening.  (DO NOT BUY DELIDDED CPUS THIS IF YOU HAVE THE SINGLE CPU MODEL) The first one ships international, it doesn't look like the second does, but you might try contacting him.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221616239012
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171711629544


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 11, 2015, 11:00:53 PM
Thanks again Smiggly, your advice has been priceless.
I eventually decided to Buy a used "Intel Xeon X5690 3.46GHz 6.4GT/s12M 6 Core 1333MHz SLBVX CPU Processor". The only one I could find in the UK.
This leads me onto what I hope is my final question. I have 4x4Gb DDR3 ECCLES 1066MHz of memory. Will I need to now source 1333MHz?
From reading the thread I believe 5,1 allows for more memory than my previous 16Gb limit. What would the limit be for the X5690 running 5,1?

Thanks again Smiggly, everything now ordered apart from a long 3mm hex drive.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 11, 2015, 11:35:56 PM
You can run with the slower RAM, it just runs a little slower.  I've not seen any benchmarks but I'm guessing it doesn't amount to more than 1-2% in real world use.  If you're happy with the amount of RAM you've got, I wouldn't upgrade, it's not worth it.  If you decide you want to upgrade to more RAM you might as well buy the faster unless it's a lot more expensive.  I really don't think it matters that much unless you're doing tasks that are very memory intensive.

I believe you can upgrade to 64GB (4x16GB) if you have the X5690, but only 48GB (3x16GB) if you have the W3690.  This was what I read somewhere, I've never tried it myself.  Can anyone who's tried it verify?

For the hex, you can usually find a set of long hex keys for about $5 at most hardware stores, the ball head ones work just fine and are sometimes easier to find.  I know 4in/10cm works fine, but not sure off the top of my head what the minimum length it has to be.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 12, 2015, 12:11:00 AM
Thanks smiggly, you're a STAR. I'll try and remember to update on this thread as I progress.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: oloapzurc on March 12, 2015, 07:58:15 AM
good day! im trying to up grade may firmware, ive downloaded the firmware tool. im getting an error 5570. can any one help me with this.


-- im connected to the net without any restriction or firewall
-- the only thing thats connected on my mac pro is the keyboard and mouse. no usb flash drive or any HD aside system HD.
-- ive tried pram ram reset and smc reset
-- ive also tried 3 different internet provider
-- change my HD (SSD) to a regular HD

still no luck!!! still getting error5570...

can any one help me please

thanks



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on March 12, 2015, 05:03:07 PM
This is an often seen error.

To fix it: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,8729.msg27899.html#msg27899


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 12, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
My last question, I promise. Is it advisable to disconnect all peripherals before upgrading the Firmware?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 12, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
I don't think you need to, there really isn't any reason to that I can think of.  If it doesn't work maybe try disconnecting everything.  The only thing I know can prevent it from updating is if you have a PC video card, I think if you flash it (see other topics here) it may work, but it's probably easiest to just put the original video card back in, if you still have it.  I've never heard of it damaging anything, just won't finish the update.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 13, 2015, 03:52:57 PM
First step carried out successfully - upgraded from 4,1 to 5,1.
Although I got a 5570 error first try I found the solution earlier in this thread:
Download the Mac Pro Firmware updates 5,1 (MacProEFIUpdate.dmg) from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321.
Place this file on your desktop and double click t mount.Don't open the executable.
Then open/run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool (link from first post on this thread). It will automatically locate the 5,1 update executable. A confirmation message will tell you when it is complete.
ShutDown. Then power up but hold the power button until you hear a scary tone. Firmware will install and restart your Mac.

Now I'm just waiting for all the CPU upgrade stuff to arrive through my letter box...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 16, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Having problems updating the firmware
I have a 2009 mac pro
Running mavericks
downloaded the efi update 5.0 and loaded it
ran the firmware tool and when indicated shut down and restarted with finger on the button till it flashed and then emitted a long beep
Then when the updater started to run it (progress bar appeared for half a second) it shut down and restarted without applying the update.

Any suggestions??

thanks in advance!

Steve

PS - Sorted it! needed to update the existing 4.1 to B07 from B04 for it to work - it is now happily updating itself!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: makeurmark1 on March 16, 2015, 08:50:30 PM
So I just carried out the nervous operation and success.
Removed my old 2.66GHz quad and dropped in my new Intel Xeon X5690 3.46GHz 6.4GT/s12M 6 Core 1333MHz SLBVX CPU Processor.

Everything started up just fine and I can all ready see the difference in speed.
Just checking the temperatures but not sure what I need to look for: Image attached.

Massive! Massive! thank you to "MacEFIRom" for the firmware update tool. Without that I would be looking for a brand new faster mac. Now I have the same ma but faster.
Also big thanks to smiggly for helping me along the way.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ilikefruit on March 19, 2015, 03:10:35 AM
I just updated my mac to 3.46 12core and very happy.  Thank you so much!  Saved me from buying a new mac.  My friend put too tight and destroyed his mac so I buyed with the processors with the IHS removed on ebay to avoid this

So easy, took about 30 minutes this way and all running very quick, much easier than I thought.

These posts were so valuable in deciding what I need.  now I need to figure out how to upgrade my video board to something newer and i will be truly happy


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Tedmotumbo on March 21, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
I can't update.

I have no video card, i think this is the problem. Any idea (I've no video card to put in...)

Thanks!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wvbsb on March 23, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
I've spent soooo many hours getting my Mac Pro 2009 dual CPU to do this upgrade - I thought I'd share some of my heartache for those that also run into issues.

Root problem: firmware upgrade from the tool showed 5,1, but no 6-core CPUs would ever recognize. It was as if I didn't actually have the right firmware....

The details:
Started off originally with a pair of X5650's (lidded), but had a hard time just getting the sucker to boot without the red lights on the processor board. But when I popped in one of the original CPUs - it still booted. After 8 hours of trying/research/etc, decided that I might have a pair of bad CPUs?? Ordered a pair of X5690's from DNComputer on ebay. It was a kit, and the CPUs are de-lidded. I could appreciate de-lidding after 8 hours battling the lidded CPUs. The saving grace for me, though, was the USB stick the DNComputer folks gave with their entire CPU upgrade kit - the version of the updater tool somehow worked whereas my original download failed. Maybe I just had a bad copy downloaded of the interwebs, but it was only after another 12 hours of trying that I finally narrowed the problem down to firmware. The size on my copy of the tool and the DNCoputer version was the same, so I hadn't thought much about using it. But I just could NOT shake the 5570 errors to downgrade/upgrade my firmware. I have a sneaky suspicion that the 2010 firmware - which *now* has the SAME name as the 2009 firmware on the apple website - that I had the wrong firmware mounted when the upgrade tool when to download the files from apple (that weren't there). Doesn't seem like that would be possible - but the reason I thought I'd share my story is b/c in all the hours I've been pouring over other's woes is that I don't recall anyone else having the troubles I've had with firmware. The damn thing was reporting 5,1; but acted just like 4,1 firmware if I had a 6-core in!!! So frustrating!

If I had to do it all over again, I would not bother with lidded CPUs - this upgrade is such a PITA as it is, so unless you're lucky, or don't mind trading hours for $$ - go an find someone with de-lidded CPUs off of ebay. 1000X times easier, IMHO. Also, make sure you have a good copy of the tool; and if it's trying to fetch the old name of the 2010 firmware, be sure to unmount any 2009 firmware you might have around.

Finally - I can enjoy my 'new' 2009 macpro...






Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Dogman on March 24, 2015, 12:55:28 PM
CPU A is working for me right now: 6 cores, fans are quite...
But CPU B is still absent. Apple hardware test gives me this line:
Code:
4SNS/1/40000001:TCBC--4.864
4SNS equals 'sensor'
T equals 'temperature'
C eqauls 'CPU'
B probably 'CPU B'?

Memory in slot 5 to 8 is not recognized either. Same things happen, if I switch CPU_A and CPU_B or get back to the original processors.

Any idea, what else I could do? Thank you!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 24, 2015, 03:49:41 PM
Look carefully at the cpu socket, are there any bent pins on the processor board?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Dogman on March 24, 2015, 04:49:06 PM
Thank you for your answer!
I double-checked all pins and cannot find any bend pins. Have a look at the attached picture.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macpro41 on March 25, 2015, 08:27:15 AM
Someone made a tutorial about upgrading their computer with delidded processors, I thought this was interesting.  I read through most of this post and ended up being too nervous to do the upgrade, saw so many people who ruined their board doing this upgrade.  I finally got up the courage when I saw the delidded processors and it worked great, thought I'd pass this link on for anyone who's afraid.

http://eriknaso.com/2015/03/21/upgrading-the-processors-on-my-early-2009-mac-pro-at-a-bargain-price/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 26, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Managed to get my old 2009 dual upgraded to 3.46 dual ok eventually but have just replaced 8 x 1Gb memory chips with 2 DD3 Chips running at 1333 and my geek bench is slower now than before the memory transplant!!
Anyone any ideas why????


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 26, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
Managed to get my old 2009 dual upgraded to 3.46 dual ok eventually but have just replaced 8 x 1Gb memory chips with 2 DD3 Chips running at 1333 and my geek bench is slower now than before the memory transplant!!
Anyone any ideas why????


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 26, 2015, 09:41:29 PM
Managed to get my old 2009 dual upgraded to 3.46 dual ok eventually but have just replaced 8 x 1Gb memory chips with 2 DD3 Chips running at 1333 and my geek bench is slower now than before the memory transplant!!
Anyone any ideas why????
new chips are 2 x 8Gb DDR3 running at 1333 after a pram reset


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 26, 2015, 10:25:45 PM
Most likely this is because the memory in the mac pro is dual/triple channel, having more physical sticks of RAM should theoretically offer better performance.  As far as I know, having 6 offers the best performance, 4/8 would be second best, and 2 would be the worst.  It'd be interesting if someone benchmarked this...

Out of curiosity, how much slower is the RAM?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 26, 2015, 11:19:32 PM
Most likely this is because the memory in the mac pro is dual/triple channel, having more physical sticks of RAM should theoretically offer better performance.  As far as I know, having 6 offers the best performance, 4/8 would be second best, and 2 would be the worst.  It'd be interesting if someone benchmarked this...

Out of curiosity, how much slower is the RAM?

thanks for your input!
I don't want to add 4 more 8Gb sticks - will it be just as fast adding 4 more 4Gb sticks - and if how should they be added? in slots 2,3,6,7 or should the 8Gb sticks be put in 1 and 2 with the others in 3,5,6,7 ?

The overal benchmark went down from 31421 to 29734 for multi-core
The memory benchmark went down from multi-core 4251 to 2320!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on March 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PM
That seems like a lot...  If it's all the same type, I'd be a little curious if you put 2 or 4 of your 1gb in, what would happen.  I think it should clock down to the slower speed.
See Apple's guide for installing RAM, it has a picture of what you put in with how many sticks.  Are you sure you're putting your ram in slots 1&2?  Maybe if you did 1&5 or something it may affect the speed?  (haven't tried)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4433


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 27, 2015, 12:40:47 AM
That seems like a lot...  If it's all the same type, I'd be a little curious if you put 2 or 4 of your 1gb in, what would happen.  I think it should clock down to the slower speed.
See Apple's guide for installing RAM, it has a picture of what you put in with how many sticks.  Are you sure you're putting your ram in slots 1&2?  Maybe if you did 1&5 or something it may affect the speed?  (haven't tried)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4433


Yes - I did initially follow Apple's advice to put Ram in slots 1 and 2 but when I started the computer up some Apple program told me that they would be best in slots 1 and 5!
I have tried both configurations now but it doesn’t make any significant difference.
I could try different combos of 1 gb chips to see what works the best...
If I did add more Ram and 6 chips is the optimum, is there a problem with adding 4gb chips mixed with the 2 8Gb chips I have already?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: thecadman on March 27, 2015, 01:30:57 AM
That seems like a lot...  If it's all the same type, I'd be a little curious if you put 2 or 4 of your 1gb in, what would happen.  I think it should clock down to the slower speed.
See Apple's guide for installing RAM, it has a picture of what you put in with how many sticks.  Are you sure you're putting your ram in slots 1&2?  Maybe if you did 1&5 or something it may affect the speed?  (haven't tried)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4433


ok - so here are the results of testing 2,4,6, and8 Gb in 1Gb sticks:

2 gb (in slots 1 and 2) 1604/1739 speeds for single core/ multicore tests
4Gb (in slots 1,2 6,7 as recommended on the computer itself) 1854/3441
6Gb (in slots 1,2,3 ,4,5,6) 1924/4003
8Gb (all full) 1949/3938

So you were spot on with predicting that it would be fastest with 6 slots full.
I will get another 4 sticks of 4Gb unless anyone suggests otherwise to go with the 2 x 8gb sticks I already have.
Any suggestions whether the 2 x 8gb should go in 1 and 2 or 1 and 5 ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on April 23, 2015, 01:21:46 PM
How about a fix to error 5570 with a updated utility that has the right addresses on apples server ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jackinthebox on April 23, 2015, 01:46:23 PM
That seems like a lot...  If it's all the same type, I'd be a little curious if you put 2 or 4 of your 1gb in, what would happen.  I think it should clock down to the slower speed.
See Apple's guide for installing RAM, it has a picture of what you put in with how many sticks.  Are you sure you're putting your ram in slots 1&2?  Maybe if you did 1&5 or something it may affect the speed?  (haven't tried)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4433


ok - so here are the results of testing 2,4,6, and8 Gb in 1Gb sticks:

2 gb (in slots 1 and 2) 1604/1739 speeds for single core/ multicore tests
4Gb (in slots 1,2 6,7 as recommended on the computer itself) 1854/3441
6Gb (in slots 1,2,3 ,4,5,6) 1924/4003
8Gb (all full) 1949/3938

So you were spot on with predicting that it would be fastest with 6 slots full.
I will get another 4 sticks of 4Gb unless anyone suggests otherwise to go with the 2 x 8gb sticks I already have.
Any suggestions whether the 2 x 8gb should go in 1 and 2 or 1 and 5 ???

you answered your own question 1,5 for 2 cpu units and obviously 1,2 with single cpu units


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nafikus on April 25, 2015, 10:55:44 AM
I am getting error 5570 while trying to upgrade to 5.1 from 4.1. OS X Firewall switched off, running on stock nVidia GT 120, running 10.10 Yosemite.
I am using firmware upgrade tool downloaded from first post on this thread.
Any hints what is causing this error?

UPDATE: Solved by downloading manually firmware EFI 1.5 for from https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321?locale=cs_CZ, mounting DMG (not installing PKG inside). Then run firmware upgrade tool and it ok now.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Serendipitus on April 28, 2015, 12:27:06 PM
I'm trying to install MacPro(2006-7) Firmware Upgrade Utility but so far have been unsuccessful. Basically I don't get the progress bar described in the installation window when I reboot and the password request appears as usual, which suggests the update is not taking. I've followed the install instructions exactly, repeating the process as well. Very much the newly here, have you any suggestion I could try.
Mac Pro 1.1 (MP11.005C.B08) upgraded 2 x 3GHz Quad-core, 14GB RAM, ATi Radion HD 5770, OS 10.7.5


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on April 29, 2015, 11:42:46 PM
I'm trying to install MacPro(2006-7) Firmware Upgrade Utility but so far have been unsuccessful. Basically I don't get the progress bar described in the installation window when I reboot and the password request appears as usual, which suggests the update is not taking. I've followed the install instructions exactly, repeating the process as well. Very much the newly here, have you any suggestion I could try.
Mac Pro 1.1 (MP11.005C.B08) upgraded 2 x 3GHz Quad-core, 14GB RAM, ATi Radion HD 5770, OS 10.7.5

You are in wrong thread, this one is for 4,1 there is another one for 1,1


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: movo1963 on May 08, 2015, 11:52:19 AM
Hi.

Trying to match a 2009 Mac Pro dual cpu processor board which has been upgraded to 5,1 (and works just fine) with a Mac Pro 2012 - it works but fans are running at full speed, smc doesn't match up. Anyone here who succeed in either upgrading or downgrading smc so that system board and tray are the same and work together?

Best regards

MV


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on May 08, 2015, 05:26:11 PM
Impossible.

There are no tools from Apple; so far, modified tools are necessary for non-original updates (MP1.1 -> 2.1). And the MP4.1 has two different smcs.
And you can't dump smc-firmware from another Mac: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/299811-readsmc-for-efi-a-tool-to-enter-read-smc-keys-from-efi-shell-on-real-macs/

SPI-dump and programming is the only way, if it is possible. But smc is stored on special µ-controllers......i guess its very hard task.  :P


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: madwork on May 08, 2015, 08:39:20 PM
I am getting error 5570 while trying to upgrade to 5.1 from 4.1. OS X Firewall switched off, running on stock nVidia GT 120, running 10.10 Yosemite.
I am using firmware upgrade tool downloaded from first post on this thread.
Any hints what is causing this error?

UPDATE: Solved by downloading manually firmware EFI 1.5 for from https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321?locale=cs_CZ, mounting DMG (not installing PKG inside). Then run firmware upgrade tool and it ok now.

I did this too, but after upgrading the firmware, I still See MacPro4,1
Yours displays as MacPro5,1 ?

Could it be that I am using a newer non-Apple graphics card?
I do the upgrade "blindly" (screen blacked out) , but it seems to work.

EDIT:
Indeed, the problem was the graphics card. I tried again using the card that shipped with the machine, and it worked.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nafikus on May 11, 2015, 08:59:13 AM
I tried first upgrade with non-Apple GTX660Ti and getting that error.
Than I tried it with Apple GT120 and still getting that error.
My last third try was Apple GT120 + mounting Apple image and I had success with this combination.

Now I have another question: I successfully upgraded firmware to 5.1. I swap my processor from W3520 (Nehalem, 4core) to W3690 (Westmere, 6core). Boot ok, "About mac" app shows really 6core processor.
However - I have installed 4x4GB 1600MHz non-ECC Kingston HyperX (blue passive cooler) RAMs.
With W3520 I could see 1066MHz - that is ok and I understand, but why I am getting still 1066 (and not 1333) with new W3690 processor?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on May 11, 2015, 06:10:44 PM
Try PRAM-Reset. If not working with fullspeed, you should change RAM.........


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bennyboy69 on May 15, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
Oh Dear, I think I've just killed my new 2009 4,1 trying to do this firmware upgrade to 5,1!

It's not doing the startup noise, or the flashing light or tone on holding the power button on startup, or outputting any signals to the monitor - so I'm blind! (on an old laptop to write this.)
I'd read heaps on how to do it, (but only the first few and last few pages of this thread's 62pgs) and thought I did everything right.

It's a dual 2.26, with the nvidia gt 120. It came with yosemite 10.3 installed. I checked firewall was disabled, mounted the disk image of the 5,1 firmware (from nafikus' link to apple cz), and didn't open the package. Ran tool.
Appeared to work, but still showed as 2009 4,1. Then I realised from another post, I had the B 04 firmware, so I installed the B 07 update from the apple US site.

The system is now completely crashed. The power light does come on, but doesn't lead to startup or tone no matter how I start it. Screen stays black.
I think I should've perhaps deleted the 5,1 firmware before going back to update the 4,1, But now I don't know how to go back. VERY foolishly had not backed up yet, as it all looked so straightforward..

Please, does anyone know how I can get my system back? Wife will kill me - got it today, and have gone double over budget to try to go the 12 core upgrade path. Fail on step 1 not a good start!

P.S. have reset SMC to no avail, and NVRAM (PRAM) reset not working/available due to there not being any startup. The power light comes on, as does fan (low speed) & fan in gt120 card. After initially pressing the start button, a red light inside comes on very briefly, but then it doesn't proceed to start sound or sending signals to the monitor. Also initially, the caps lock lights on the (non mac) usb keyboard flash, but then become inactive.
Could this be an unrelated coincidental hardware failure? Which parts can cause these symptoms?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: smiggly on May 15, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
If you still have the original processors, you could try the Apple Firmware Restoration CD

https://support.apple.com/kb/dl976?locale=en_US

Let me know how it works out, I've never had the need the run this, but from what I understand this should fix a failed firmware update.  It does sound like you did everything correctly, so I'm not sure what might have happened, there shouldn't be any reason to undo the 5,1 update since it didn't take.

Typical troubleshooting if this doesn't work, reseat RAM and processor tray, remove any extra cards, usb devices, etc.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bennyboy69 on May 16, 2015, 02:19:56 AM
Thanks Smiggly,

Ok, I've now created a firmware restore cd(ver 1.8 for 2009 4,1). The apple instructions mention things the computer will do whilst holding the power button, before I can insert the cd ie flashing lights, tones, tray opening. None of these things have been happening - the power light comes on and stays on (have held it for up to 6 mins) I have to let go, then press and hold again to get it to shut down. seems to be all I can do (with no working display, I don't know what it's up to in between).

I'd already reseated the processor tray, including blowing dust off it - it was a bit thick behind one of the processors. I'll try it without the 3rdparty usb keyboard next. there are no other cards, but I guess I'll have to leave in the usb mouse (also 3rd party)

I've decided before I do anything else, I'd better try to clone the hard disk, as the programs that came with the computer were a large part of the purchase decision. I've reformatted an old ide 160gb drive into hfs, and put both drives (original is 640GB sata) into a dock. opened carbon copy

*Carbon copy cloning coach alerts:
"The destination volume will not be bootable because a required system file (mach_kernel) does not exist at the root of the source volume."
"The destination volume does not have a Recovery HD partition. Some operating system features may be restricted while booted from the destination."

Is it possible to get this mach_kernel file from somewhere and insert it into the right place whilst the drive is in the dock and accessible by the laptop? Could this be the only problem?

I can't see a recovery partition on the original drive (in finder). Should I partition the backup drive before cloning? How much space does a recovery partition need in yosemite? Will the recovery partition be populated automatically or is there a process for that too? I won't be able to put this backup in the mac pro anyway due to it being ide, so will have to do anything via the dock….



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bennyboy69 on May 16, 2015, 03:22:03 AM
OK, apparently Yosemite doesn't need the mach_kernel root.

Thanks to dot.com's answer to someone on discussions@apple:
"dot.com
Dec 20, 2014 9:31 PM
Re: (mach_kernel) does not exist. What to do to create a bootable backup?
in response to kathrynm1294
Solved
The file mach_kernel has been moved and renamed in Yosemite - it is no longer located in the top level of the disk directory structure. It sounds to me that your copy of Carbon Copy has not been updated to be aware of this. Can you check if there is an update for Carbon Copy?
 
I would bet that everything is OK with the clones that CC is making of a Yosemite boot disk, since Yosemite knows where the new location of the mach_kernel file is and that's what's important.
 
Does that make sense?
 
In case you're wondering the new location of the mach_kernel file is /System/Library/Kernels/kernel.
 
If you want to be certain, do a clone on a spare disk and see if that disk will boot Yosemite - it should work fine as long as CC makes no funny changes on it's own behind the back of Yosemite (OS X)."

I've now created a recovery HD partition nominal 40GB, and will proceed with carbon copy back up.
I'll then re-insert the original drive and try to use the firmware restore cd, but failing that I'll then see if I can boot the 4,1 with the back up from external usb dock…

Any other suggestions?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bennyboy69 on May 16, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Touchwood, I've gotten past the roadblock.

When I removed the hard disk to clone it on the old laptop (had some permissions problems I think, had to exclude usr/standalone/bootcaches.plist to get it to work (not freeze up at 95% done after 3 3/4 hrs) then a whole list of apps wouldn't copy - showed up as a bad disk area. Must update cc sometime), I also removed the processor tray again and gave the whole system a bit of carefully applied compressed air to blow all the dust out. Took out all the ram sticks, dusted, reinserted.

When I eventually got it back together many hours later, it booted up again  :) There was several restarts with a couple of little panics, but I was then finally able to load the 4,1 "07" firmware update, followed by the desired 5,1. using the utility.

One thing I've noticed is that the system profiler now recognises the computer as a 5,1 model, with the new firmware, but it still says early 2009 in the "about this mac" pane. Probably a good thing - might stop people selling mutton as lamb? It's the fact I can now put in the dual 6 cores that's important.

Still not sure if it was the dust, or I've got something funny going on to cause random restarts, but ok for now

*update
I forgot to mention that when I was de-dusting, I pressed and held for a few seconds the little white button next to the battery between the 16 lane pci slots. May or may not have helped?

I've now put in the 3.06 hex' using Thomas Pindelski's excellent guide:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131026053641/http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/07/08/mac-pro-2009-part-tbd/

The about this mac pane still reports a build year of early 2009, and reports the new processsors (and 5,1 in system report)
Also got a nice surprise that the samsung ram that the previous owner put in is now running at 1.33.  :) Could've ordered less new ram. :(  (Maybe check that first - it didn't have the speed on the labels)
Will now have 4 spare sticks of 2GB samsung (1.33) if anyone wants it make an offer. Seemed to work at the slower speed too.
Also have nearly full Arcticlean set, 1/2 tube artic silver 5, and the 2mm thick thermal pad used to compensate for leaving the lids on the new processors. The pair of 2.26 quad cores anyone can have for postage. No messages after June ,15 thanks, will have been ebayed.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: deasmi on May 17, 2015, 10:15:50 PM
CPU A is working for me right now: 6 cores, fans are quite...
But CPU B is still absent. Apple hardware test gives me this line:
Code:
4SNS/1/40000001:TCBC--4.864
4SNS equals 'sensor'
T equals 'temperature'
C eqauls 'CPU'
B probably 'CPU B'?

Did you ever work out what exactly this error refered to ?

I have an very similar error after chanigng the thermal paste on my stock processors and CPU B is refusing to work.

It's the same except I have 252.00 at the end instead of 4.864


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: faraway on May 18, 2015, 03:23:11 AM
If anyone out there is having issues with the firmware tool not doing the firmware update procedure on reboot, it may be caused by using a SSD boot drive and it not liking the ram disk the tool creates to inject the firmware. I tried running the tool on an HDD and it worked firmware updated firm on reboot.

Hope this helps some people out there.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Ben_JD on June 01, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Greetings MacEFIRom,

I would like to upgrade my Mac Pro 2009 two Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.26, to two 3.33GHz Intel Xeon X5680 6 Core, would your Firmware Upgrade be right for this job?

Thank you.

Ben


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nightwatch on June 04, 2015, 02:01:26 AM
Regarding this post: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
« Reply #666 on: January 10, 2014, 11:39:24 PM »

 "Do NOT attempt to remove the IHS (integrated heat spreader) "lid" on your Xeon CPUs. They are workstation CPUs with SOLDERED lids (directly onto the cores) that CANNOT be removed using common de-lidding techniques and you'll kill your processor."

THIS IS NOT TRUE! Maybe this has been addressed since then. I have a 4,1 2x2.26 8-core MP. I did the firmware upgrade to 5,1 and installed de-lidded 3.46GHz W5690s with NO problem.

The guy I buy the de-lidded CPUs is very cool and has a great warranty. Swapping CPUs is no big deal to me. Piece of cake really. The only thing I would like to do EVERY time is use a torque wrench.

Do the 4,1 to 5,1 firmware upgrade. Remove the tray. Pull the heatsinks. drop in the de-lidded CPUs. Add a pea sized drop of silver thermal paste. Add heatsink (with de-lidded CPUs no fan cable needs to be cut, the heatsink just goes back in easily). Let the heatsink spread the thermal paste. Tighten in X pattern to hand tighten (much like putting a tire on a car). Install tray. Boot and enjoy. 15 minute job.

This is exactly how the techs at Cray do their CPU upgrades and it's easy. Don't bend any pins and almost nothing can go wrong.

Watch this YouTube vid https://youtu.be/ehCgG9yZQmg (https://youtu.be/ehCgG9yZQmg)

Reply or PM me for questions or photos of procedure.





Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 128keaton on June 04, 2015, 02:05:05 AM
Hey, I made a quick website to host all of this stuff, including the support.apple.com /etc/hosts trick.
http://128keaton.com/efi-update/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: GmanBB on June 11, 2015, 03:41:43 PM
O got error 5570. Anybody know why?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: accessvirus on June 12, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
error 5570 because of you need  Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.5 from apple website.


Download "Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.5 " from apple website ( please search google : Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.5 )

Than run this download  after run firmware update tool.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sudatorium on June 16, 2015, 03:19:24 PM
O got error 5570. Anybody know why?
hi. I had such a problem. perhaps you use axis 10.10. try on 10.9


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: sudatorium on June 16, 2015, 03:38:26 PM
Prompt what to do with such problem? I updated the 4.1 to 5.1, then installed new processors (two processors 3.33). I added memories 1333MHz. But the Macintosh defines it as 1066. in what there can be a problem? I tried to install by Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.5, but the system speaks "this software is not supported on your system".


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: filterdecay on June 19, 2015, 01:41:49 AM
Hey everyone.  I did this wonderful firmware upgrade 3 years ago and things have run well.  Only until TODAY! I have a bad logic board I believe and will need to replace it.  My question is will I need to re-install the old cpu and redo the firmware on the new logic board?  I suspect I will.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pfurbl on June 21, 2015, 01:01:03 PM
Hm, unfortunately the FW upgrade works only partially for me?

- I ran the “Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool”
- It complained about error 5570
- I read in the forum, downloaded the Apple 5.1 FW, mounted the DMG, re-ran the “Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool”, no error this time
- I shut down the Mac Pro 4,1, pressed Power longer, LED flashed, I saw the flash process.
- The machine booted again.

So far, so good. But:

- "About this Macintosh" still says "Early 2009" to my Mac.
- Only when I click "System report" (the textual, extended version) it shows "Mac Pro 5,1"
- When I re-run “Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool” again, it offers to downgrade to 2009.
- Is the new firmware now in or not?

- I thought "give it a try" and installed my two Xeon X5690, properly aligned, with new thermal paste, hopefully the right amount of torque power
- Press "Power", LED went on, but no "Booong" sound, no boot, no video. Waited about a minute, no difference.
- Reinstalled the two old 5570 CPUs, Mac boots again (so nothing damaged).

My guess from the above: I don’t have the proper, fully 2010 firmware _or_ my new CPUs are dead.

Any help? Any ideas?

I attached two screenshots.

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on June 21, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
Did you SMC- and PRAM-Reset? In some cases it helps if the cpu is not recognized.

The "Early 2009" is normal behaviour on all flashed 4,1 MPs. I guess it is made from the serial, when the MP got first time network connection.
I found it out, while i made a clean install from usb without network; the tag was empty and after network-connection it says the same as yours.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pfurbl on June 21, 2015, 08:03:23 PM
Did you SMC- and PRAM-Reset? In some cases it helps if the cpu is not recognized.

No, I didn’t try that before changing the CPUs. Is it that common? Sorry for asking, but I’d like to minimize the count of exchanging-the-CPUs for obvious reasons :-)

The "Early 2009" is normal behaviour on all flashed 4,1 MPs. I guess it is made from the serial, when the MP got first time network connection.
I found it out, while i made a clean install from usb without network; the tag was empty and after network-connection it says the same as yours.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on June 21, 2015, 08:15:34 PM
Some users reported after cpu-swapping problems with unrecognized cpus/cores or ram-speed. So give it a try. Firmware is updated to 5.1, seen in your screenshots. SMC-firmware can't be updated, but that is no problem, because smc doesn't contain cpu-microcode and bootrom.

Perhaps your ram might be a problem with the new cpu?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pfurbl on June 21, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
Some users reported after cpu-swapping problems with unrecognized cpus/cores or ram-speed. So give it a try.

Perhaps your ram might be a problem with the new cpu?

RAM is original 32 GB bought from Apple. Don’t know whether this is good or bad :-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Pfurbl on June 21, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
Some users reported after cpu-swapping problems with unrecognized cpus/cores or ram-speed. So give it a try. Firmware is updated to 5.1, seen in your screenshots. SMC-firmware can't be updated, but that is no problem, because smc doesn't contain cpu-microcode and bootrom.

I read in the Apple KB how to reset the SMC for the sMP:

Quote
To reset the SMC on Intel-based Mac Pro, iMac, and Mac mini computers, as well as Xserve:
Shut down the computer.
Unplug the power cord.
Wait fifteen seconds.
Attach the power cord.
Wait five seconds, then press the power button to turn on the computer.

So, basically, the SMC is reset every time I unplug the power cord for more than 15s. Which is definitely what I did when I installed the new CPUs (unplugged for about 20mins). This leads me to the conclusion that another SMC will not help … or is there something else?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on June 21, 2015, 08:32:40 PM
PRAM-Reset.  ;)

Few month ago i read about cpu-swap in Dual-models....i'm not sure, but someone wrote that he fired the machine with only CPU-A and empty cpu-b-socket: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/2009MacPro12CoreCPUupgrade.html


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: JNieves on June 22, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
PRAM-Reset.  ;)

Few month ago i read about cpu-swap in Dual-models....i'm not sure, but someone wrote that he fired the machine with only CPU-A and empty cpu-b-socket: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/2009MacPro12CoreCPUupgrade.html



Finished my upgrade yesterday (using the pindelski.org instructions noted earlier), I can confirm that the machine boots perfectly with CPU B socket empty. Fans go crazy after a bit but otherwise it does work.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: S.M.T. on June 27, 2015, 02:21:30 AM
So I am getting ready to attempt this on my single CPU 4,1 Mac Pro...  Wondering what things I need to avoid, be careful of, not do (or do)...

I have read through the thread and found some suggestions but want to make sure I am not missing anything... Don't want to end up with a failed Mac Pro that won't boot...

  • Ensure the current firmware is fully up to date...  Currently running MP41.0081.B07
  • Download the Mac Pro 1.5 firmware package from Apple and mount it
  • Remove all other hard drives and peripherals
  • Use only one display, attached to the GT120
  • Boot off a drive that is not SSD
  • Reset PRAM before starting

One thing I don't believe I have seen that I am wondering if it wouldn't be a safe idea... That is to boot off a hard drive that has a clean OS install?  I have a spare 3.5" hard drive that I could easily do this with...

Anything I missed?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on June 27, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
No. Because the firmware-update is loaded from a ram-disk, which is loaded with running OS. You can perform the update with any operating system, regardless of which drive is installed.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: S.M.T. on June 27, 2015, 01:16:32 PM
I have read that the 5,1 firmware enables audio out the HDMI/DP connections. Is this true?

I have been using this method to get audio out my DP connection:
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/guide-hdmi-audio.1499797/


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: S.M.T. on June 27, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Add another 4,1 upgraded to 5,1 to the list... Thanks to those who made this tool and this upgrade possible... Now just waiting on my X5690 to arrive!  :D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dsf on July 08, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
Hi there! this is my first post so hello all...
I tried to search for this but there are so many pages i couldn't find a precise answer. I tried to flash my 2009 MP with the app to start an upgrade, but it says "the program has encountered an error: 5570"
I guess it refers to the GPU??



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Fangio on July 08, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
"error: 5570"
I guess it refers to the GPU??

No. Download this (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321), mount it and try again.

<-- #817 (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg27757.html#msg27757) and here (http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/firmware-tool-for-4-1-to-5-1-upgrade.1752143/) is more info.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: stegdump on July 11, 2015, 09:46:16 PM
Hi all,
Quick question.  I have a daughter board from a 2009 dual core 4,1 that I would like to swap into a single core 5,1 machine (simply swapping the daughterboards).  When I do this the fans run full blast.  I am assuming I need to update the SMC in the 5,1 to recognize the dual core daughter board.  Does anyone know if this is possible?
Thanks.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on July 11, 2015, 11:57:39 PM
Not possible, because Apple never released SMC-updates for MP4.1/5.1.

You can sell the cpu-board......


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: stegdump on July 12, 2015, 02:20:12 AM
Not possible?  Can you not flash the SMC on the 5,1 to the proper, dual processor firmware?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Bunga-Bunga on July 12, 2015, 09:51:43 AM
This machine has two SMCs, on the mainboard and a second on the cpu-tray. The version of both SMCs must match, otherwise the fans run on full speed. The MP4.1 and 5.1 are the only machines with two smc-units; Apple never released updates for smc, but there exist a few different versions.

The bootrom (firmware) isn't the same as smc and bootrom-updates won't update the smc and vice versa.

Probably only way for an inofficial update would be desoldering the controllers (from older and a new MP!), reading the programcode and flash it to the older smc. They use special controllers, i guess most are from Renesas, perhaps only accessible with Renesas-tools.....



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: tomric on July 30, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
For the records: Another early Mac Pro 2009 (W3520, Quad 2.66 GHz) upgraded, thanks to your great utilty.

Of course I read the documentation before and was prepared to tweak around with the connector, thermal pads and counting numbers of turns for the screws when I found out, that my Mac Pro already came with a CPU that has a heatspreader - so the whole thing turned to be very easy.

I just had to remove the heatsink and the original CPU, replace it with the new X5670 (6-Core 2,93 GHz, best bang for the buck), apply some thermal paste and reattach the heatsink...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on July 30, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
For the records: Another early Mac Pro 2009 (W3520, Quad 2.66 GHz) upgraded, thanks to your great utilty.

Of course I read the documentation before and was prepared to tweak around with the connector, thermal pads and counting numbers of turns for the screws when I found out, that my Mac Pro already came with a CPU that has a heatspreader - so the whole thing turned to be very easy.

I just had to remove the heatsink and the original CPU, replace it with the new X5670 (6-Core 2,93 GHz, best bang for the buck), apply some thermal paste and reattach the heatsink...

Only the Dual CPU 4,1 machines have the dreaded issue. Single CPU 4,1/5,1 are easy-breezy. All of them.


Title: Heat variation between CPUs
Post by: Slogo on August 03, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
Hello

I recently completed the upgrade with great success. Thank your for the firmware. I have been noticing a variation between the two CPUs of between 10-15 C. Is this normal behaviour.
Thanks for your advice.

Krzysztof


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: linus987 on August 06, 2015, 07:55:46 AM
I did it. But with pain and a CPU board replacement....

Here are some pics. All information to do it were taken from this forum.

I replaced two CPU 2.26 GHZ by two CPU 3.06 GHZ (with metallic cap).

As this metallic cap add more or less 2.5 mm, I had to modify some small details that made my first try a disaster.

After first try and having too much screwed.
(http://www.moun.ch/pics/socket_crashed.JPG)

CPU burned after first try :
(http://www.moun.ch/pics/CPU_burned.JPG)

Heatskink connector modification to connect it manually to the CPU board

(http://www.moun.ch/pics/Connector_mod.JPG)


New 5 mm thermal band :
(http://www.moun.ch/pics/new_thermal_bands.JPG)

Washers :
(http://www.moun.ch/pics/washers.JPG)

To make sure will succeed in this modification, take your time, read carefully all the posts and be extremely careful when manipulating heatsinks over the new CPU. A very small pression on the CPU can shatter everything !!!! :-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on August 06, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
interesting is that just like Anandtech and myself, the bad CPU board pins got bent in a diagonal

I was able to make that board work, but one RAM slot is invisible


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pigsyn on August 10, 2015, 07:17:37 PM
Hello,

I made a patch to correct error 5570 when the app starts to download the 2010 EFI dmg.

Actually the link is hard coded as https://support.apple.com/downloads/DL1321/en_US/MacProEFIUpdate1.5.dmg but apple changed it to MacProEFIUpdate.dmg

If you have errors when downgrading to 4,1, it's the same problem as the EFI update Tool needs the two dmg for both upgrade and downgrade.
The Apple 4,1 efi.app is patched to accept 5,1efi when upgrading and vice versa.

Download Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool and the patch provided.

Code:
tar -zxvf patch.tgz
patch Mac\ Pro\ 2009-2010\ Firmware\ Tool.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/Mac\ Pro\ 2009-2010\ Firmware\ Tool.scpt 2009_2010.patch

MD5 for 2009_2010.patch = 674283f3cfaafad236d8f4aedff4a54a

Enjoy


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mcaudell on August 20, 2015, 01:23:23 PM
Ok, newbie here so I'm sorry if I'm rehashing stuff.  I just don't want to brick my main computer.

I have a 2009 2.93, single processor "refurb" with the "special" rom.  I'm listing the steps I think I'm supposed to be doing.

1. download the Apple rom from "http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321"
2. download the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool
3. mount the apple dmg file and do a show contents
4. run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool

With the caveat of knowing that I cannot go back to my old firmware because it's the non-standard, unreleased b08 version.
Will this allow me to replace my current processor with a cap attached, hex-core W3xxx processor without doing any compensation for the lid-less processor because the quad-core processors still had the lids on them.

Thanks for re-verifiing this stuff.  Like I said, I really don't want to brick my main work computer.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pigsyn on August 20, 2015, 09:25:54 PM

1. download the Apple rom from "http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321"
2. download the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool
3. mount the apple dmg file and do a show contents
4. run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool
It's ok for upgrading but you can use the following method alternatively, as the above method does NOT work with DOWNGRADE (since most people don't understand that you need both 2009 and 2010 DMG for upgrade AND downgrade process)

1) Download firmware update tool 2009-2010.
2) Download patch.tgz from my previous post into /Users/YOURNAME/Downloads/
3) unzip MacPro2009-2010FirmwareTool.zip file in /Users/YOURNAME/Downloads/
4) open Terminal in /Applications/Utilities/
enter the following under Terminal and hit enter after each line:
cd $HOME/Downloads
tar -zxvf patch.tgz
patch Mac\ Pro\ 2009-2010\ Firmware\ Tool.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/Mac\ Pro\ 2009-2010\ Firmware\ Tool.scpt 2009_2010.patch

Launch Firmware Update Tool. No manual DMG download or mount once patched.

Read carefully instructions when Update Firmare Tool is done.

With the caveat of knowing that I cannot go back to my old firmware because it's the non-standard, unreleased b08 version.
Will this allow me to replace my current processor with a cap attached, hex-core W3xxx processor without doing any compensation for the lid-less processor because the quad-core processors still had the lids on them.

Thanks for re-verifiing this stuff.  Like I said, I really don't want to brick my main work computer.

You can't go back to MP41 B08 firmware, only MP41 B07.  I don't think it could brick your MacPro.
Yes this will allow you to upgrade to w36** 6 cores "Gulftown". X5675-80-90 "Westmere" 6cores also work on single cpu machines, and are easier to find on ebay.

Don't downgrade to 4,1 with 6 cores cpu in your MacPro.

Edit: I guess it's probably easier to post a patched app.
Pls admin, moderate if against the rules.

Now on github : https://github.com/pigsyn/MacProFirmwareToolUpdate


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: FreQuenC on August 29, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
Just wanted to report that today I successfully upgraded a 2009 2.66Ghz 4,1 Quad Core-> 5,1, 3.46Ghz (W3690) 6-Core. I also bumped the ram up from 6GB/1066->12GB/1333Ghz.

Thank you and the forum.  ;)



what about your benchmark? i think 15.800 or maybe 16.000

Sorry for the delay. Just came by after all this time and seen your question.

------------------------------
Geekbench 3 Score

2741
Single-Core Score

15574
Multi-Core Score

----------------------

Sure if I didn't have some background extensions stealing CPU, it would've been higher.

Also, I've thrown in a 512 SSD on a PCIE Card and upgraded the Ram to 32GB. Kicks butt and I'm still not done with it.  ;)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ComplicatedT33J on September 02, 2015, 02:40:57 AM
Hi, I'm just new to this site and the info/instructions seem really straightforward. I followed the most recent steps including having the MapProEFIUpdate1.5 on the desktop. The Firmware tool runs just fine and it tells me to power down, then hold the power button on restart. I follow those steps, but the machine still boots normally and there's no change to my Boot ROM version.

Not sure what to try next. Here's a list of things that might be impacting it? I wasn't sure, but was hoping to get some advice.
- I'm running the El Capitan Beta 6
- I boot from an SSD drive

Thanks for the help!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on September 02, 2015, 04:35:39 AM
Do you have an EFI GPU?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ComplicatedT33J on September 02, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Do you have an EFI GPU?

I was running an Apple supplied 5770...

Turns out that reverting back to OS 10.10.4 did the trick. Once I was back on the production OS the Flashing process worked without a hiccup.

Not sure why the OS 10.11 Beta was causing problems, but it did.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bmiller79 on September 05, 2015, 05:41:10 AM
Nothing I do can get this firmware update to work.  I've downloaded the patch and followed the instructions to a "T" and I still get the 5570 error.  I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong!?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on September 05, 2015, 07:56:06 PM
Nothing I do can get this firmware update to work.  I've downloaded the patch and followed the instructions to a "T" and I still get the 5570 error.  I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong!?

And we'll never know either if you only type 1 sentence.

Read and try again.

Having disk image on desktop worked for me recently.

And another guy wrote a script a few posts back.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: ComplicatedT33J on September 06, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
Do you have an EFI GPU?

I was running an Apple supplied 5770...

Turns out that reverting back to OS 10.10.4 did the trick. Once I was back on the production OS the Flashing process worked without a hiccup.

Not sure why the OS 10.11 Beta was causing problems, but it did.

Completed the upgrades - Installed a 3690 chip ($200) and Reset my PRAM to get the machine to recognize my 1333Mhz RAM (16GB)

My GeekBench score doubled from 8193 to 16094. Just amazing!

Thanks to the OP and all of those who've stepped in with suggestions in the thread :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DunePilot on September 16, 2015, 02:23:12 AM
I can't get this to work. I have tried the mounted efi and original upgrade as well as the patched update that was linked a few post above. I can get it to go through and appear as if everything is working fine, and the system reboots and appears to be going fine. My light flashes, I get the long beep. But upon logging in, my system still says 4.1 under system report. I have made about 5 attempts at getting it to update the firmware but it always says 4.1 when I log in. My Yosemite is 10.10.5 if that makes any difference. I don't run into any errors, I just see 4.1 when I log in. I have tried PRAM and the other resets as well (the unplugged from the wall 15 seconds one, whatever that is called) I have two X5690s in the mail, if someone can help me figure this out it would be much appreciated.

Edit:
I have tried with both 10.10.4 and 10.10.5 with both the patched file and the original file with mounted update file.
I have also tried on both the original HD and on a SSD. I have a snow leopard disk laying around, should I install that and try it with that?

Any tips or ideas I will try to attempt.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: DunePilot on September 16, 2015, 02:14:32 PM
Having problems updating the firmware
I have a 2009 mac pro
Running mavericks
downloaded the efi update 5.0 and loaded it
ran the firmware tool and when indicated shut down and restarted with finger on the button till it flashed and then emitted a long beep
Then when the updater started to run it (progress bar appeared for half a second) it shut down and restarted without applying the update.

Any suggestions??

thanks in advance!

Steve

PS - Sorted it! needed to update the existing 4.1 to B07 from B04 for it to work - it is now happily updating itself!

Sounds exactly like what I have going on. I will check this first when I get home from work. Anyone else have any pointers?

I only had a few minutes to work on this last night, first thing I did was throw 12 gig of 1333 Gskill in it, threw a clean 10.10.5 install on a pci-e Hyper X Predator SSD, a 4 input USB 3.0 card, and an Asus wireless card. I only had about 30 minutes to attempt the firmware update. Hopefully I have time to tackle it when I get home and hopefully its just a simple firmware update to B07 to fix my issue. I have a clean install of 10.10.5 on both the original HDD and on the pci-e SSD, I have only had a third party mouse and keyboard hooked up, and have been attempting the update using the original HDD rather than the SSD. I also am using the original GT120 GPU.  Hopefully it is as simple as updating my current firmware before the 5.1 firmware update, that slipped my mind last night and I did not even check.  



Update: Bingo! Thanks for the original post "thecadman" that was it. I was still on B04, used https://support.apple.com/kb/DL989?locale=en_US to go from B04 to B07 firmware, after updating to B07 I was able to go to 5.1, add another to the list. Much thanks to the guy(s) that wrote this patch as well.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: fdog on September 30, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
Just wanted to thank this website, it provided me with the means to upgrade my early 2009 single 2.66GHz 4-core Xeon to 3.46Ghz 6-core Xeon.
Wanted to donate this tidbit to the internet, since I have seen a few unanswered queries pertaining to this particular error.

In addition to updating the firmware to (5,1) level, be sure to update the Apple Hardware Tools correspondingly.  Github website has pertinent information:

https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest

Otherwise you may very well end up with the following error:

4VDC/3/40000003 : VideoController

I did until I finally (real early this morning) realized I'd only updated one of three instances of it, and apparently not the one on the disk that was being booted from when I was holding down the D key.  (I still don't know which one for sure, but I suspect it was the spinning disk (the one with Snow Leopard on it).)

So there's a possible fix for those of you getting that error with Apple Hardware Test.  If you've upgraded your firmware, make sure the test software  has been upgraded as well.  Could save you from replacing a perfectly fine board or graphics card to no avail.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Fxdxtom on October 04, 2015, 07:52:17 PM
Hi
I'am having trouble upgrading 4,1 to 5,1.Some of what i have changed to try and get it to work. Currently running El Capitan
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB

i have changed boot drive from SSD to a regular Slow HDD in slot 1.
Still does not work. I wait for the light to blink and or hear the chime and everything else in between.
Upon restart grey screen with apple logo comes up. Status bar goes half way and screen turns grey and stays that way for about 30 seconds, then the home screen comes up. I never get a restart.

  Model Name:           Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro4,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   2.26 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   8 MB
  Memory:   16 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   5.86 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP41.0081.B07
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: 0711exe on October 05, 2015, 01:24:02 PM
Hello Fxdxtom
I had the same issue.

I used a empty hdd and installed snow leopard.
then the update worked immediately.

I unplugged the HDD and put in my ssd/hdd fusion drive with el capitan again.

now its a 5.1

the only strange thing is that i had to type in my iCloud password and my mail password again.
Does anyone know why?

Alex


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Fxdxtom on October 05, 2015, 02:47:37 PM
Right now I'm wating for a copy Mountain Lion. I'll put that on my spare HDD.
Should I take out my SSD with ElCaptian and just have one boot disk in the system?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: accessvirus on October 05, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
Diagnostic tools ( apple hardware test) dvd is not working with upgraded firmewire. How can I test hardware with diagnostic tools ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rxse7en on October 08, 2015, 12:22:20 AM
Right now I'm wating for a copy Mountain Lion. I'll put that on my spare HDD.
Should I take out my SSD with ElCaptian and just have one boot disk in the system?

Went through the same issues. For sh*ts and giggles, I went ahead and installed 10.10.5 on an additional internal HDD and ran the utility from there. It worked. Seems my issue was trying to use the utility with El Capitan.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Fubard on October 12, 2015, 07:01:33 AM
Ugh... after spending the last five hours to get this to work I have to ask for help. I feel like I've tried everything.

It goes through the entire process (the reflash is blind which i assume is due to my having PC version Sapphire 7950's) after the noisy, delayed restart I'm still a 4.1

I'm running 10.9.5, have a 4,1 machine with boot rom B08 & have everything unplugged from the box, all HDs out except for the system drive I cloned onto old HDD, clear P-ram each try, apple firewall is off, open the apple firmware update, and I've tried using the original update app as well as the patched one from post #966 and while nothing's broken (thank goodness) nothing's worked either.

Help? ???

edit: I should also add that it was giving me the gpu error when my one allowed monitor was hooked up to the mini display port. strangely enough, moving to the full size dvi plug got me a bit 'further'. :S

edit 2: I have snow leopard on DVD but it won't work w these darned video cards.... anyone get this to work w these video cards? did you do the Mac flash on them? Sorry for my poor vernacular. I'm pretty far from being a guru.

yet another edit: after noticing some detail and using this amazing new thing you might call 'search' I've found some saying I don't need this, and can just install the chips and ram without this update due to my having B08.      ehhhh.... I really want someone to say if this is true or not before I go out n spend all that $$$


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on October 13, 2015, 11:26:10 PM
been noted many times, you need an EFI card


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Fubard on October 14, 2015, 02:53:13 AM
Oh... See, I dont know what that is, which is why it must have slipped my mind. I'll figure it out based on that very useful hint though. Thanks for your patience n help w my stupid newbness!!!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: uimike on October 16, 2015, 06:01:21 AM
Here as well. El Cap no deal. Booting from 10.10.5 and running the update from there (with the Apple EFI Update dmg mounted), then booting again from the 10.10.5 disk did the trick.

Now awaiting my new Xeon 3.2 GHz.

mike


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jonagold on October 16, 2015, 07:49:35 AM
Hi everybody,

The problem with El Capitan is the so-called System Integrity Protection (SIP). SIP prevents - among other features - writing to certain system folders, even from root users.

But you may disable SIP temporarily, as described in this tutorial (http://www.macworld.com/article/2986118/security/how-to-modify-system-integrity-protection-in-el-capitan.html). With SIP disabled, I managed to install the 5,1 firmware on my Early 2009 Mac Pro without problems yesterday evening.

Hope that helps! :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: James Lemon 007 on November 27, 2015, 07:43:31 PM

Edit: I guess it's probably easier to post a patched app.
Pls admin, moderate if against the rules.


Hello pigsyn,
I have the problem that I can't downgrade to the original which was 4.1.
there is always the 5570 Error.
I tried with both firmware files, which didnt work.
Im pretty sure it was not the B08 on it.
So, before I try this, I prefer to confirm, that this patched EFI tool works also for downgrading not only upgrading. he thread is a bit confusing.
Thanks a lot.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: aarond12 on November 30, 2015, 05:28:42 PM
I was also able to upgrade my Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 in El Capitan by disabling SIP. One word of warning: The "About This Mac..." screen still shows "Mac Pro (Early 2009)". Only when you get into the System Information do you see the 5,1 designation.

Another sign that the firmware upgrade worked is that your optical drive(s) will open during the flashing. If that didn't happen after you held the power button down, you probably need to disable SIP.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: HCMarkus on March 03, 2016, 12:27:03 AM
I guess it's probably easier to post a patched app.

Just wanted to say thanks.  After trying a few different approaches under Tiger ( 10.6.8 ), success was achieved by starting fresh with Mountain Lion ( 10.8.5 ) and your patched updater.  I have done several of these since 2012, but this was the first one that gave me trouble. As hope was waning, my optical drive sprang to life, indicating all would be well when the process was a concluded.  And it was.

Thanks again pigsyn.   ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wolf1734 on March 11, 2016, 02:02:04 PM
Hello James
For avoided having the error 5570 downloads of "Apple" the file of the firmware makes a click double(copy) above and leave on the office(desk), then throws(launches) the patch of putting has level 2009/2010 and it owe worked.
Cordially


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: nekton1 on April 15, 2016, 09:48:57 AM
What are the guesstimated odds that these firmware upgraded machines can run 10.12 when it surfaces in a few weeks?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MineCooky on April 24, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
As you may know, some Mac Pro models have been introduced that are identical or very nearly identical to the model that preceded them. Such is the case with the 2007 Mac Pro (MacPro2,1) and the 2010 Mac Pro (MacPro5,1). I decided to see if it was possible to come up with a way to update the firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro with the firmware from the 2010 Mac Pro. The hardware of these models is very close. The only thing that differs is the CPU socket mechanism on the dual CPU model, which uses Xeon CPUs with the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) removed, and the SMC firmware version. The CPU socket issue is transparent to the firmware, and the SMC firmware difference between 2009 and 2010 models is not an issue. As long as the SMC firmware version matches between the main board and the CPU board, everything works perfectly.

To explain how this was accomplished, let me first describe how the firmware update process works on a Mac. The firmware updater package, after checking that the Mac can use the update, places an EFI boot file named EFIUpdaterApp2.efi, which is very similar in structure to the standard boot file that starts a Mac on the system volume, in the /System/Library/Core Services/Firmware Updates folder, along with the actual firmware image. This boot file is then blessed in a special way, and the next time the Mac is booted from shutdown, with the power button held down for a few seconds, this special EFI program is run.

So how do we get the program to load the other firmware? It turns out that it is surprisingly easy. Inside the EfiUpdaterApp2.efi program are a list of firmware version strings from different releases of the 2010 Mac Pro, along with the CRC32 checksum of the firmware image file. If one of the firmware version strings is modified to what the 2009 Mac Pro model is, and the CRC32 checksum is changed to match the 2010 Mac Pro firmware image, and the firmware image filename is changed to the 2009 Mac Pro firmware image filename, then all is well.

I have tested this myself, on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pro models. You can upgrade or downgrade at will. If you have a CPU in a 2010 Mac Pro that isn't supported in the 2009 Mac Pro, such as the Westmere 6-core Xeon, the system will not boot after the update until a compatible CPU is installed. I started off with just a few scripts and files in a folder to do this, but as a service to the community, I have written an installer program that does everything automatically. The program checks the Mac Pro model and will install the 2009 Mac Pro firmware or the 2010 Mac Pro firmware, whichever is appropriate. If you have a 2010 Mac Pro with a 6-core Xeon, the program will warn you, but still allow the firmware update. The download does not contain any firmware updater files or image files. The program creates a small RAM disk, downloads the needed files, copies all of the scripts to the RAM disk, and then runs the scripts. Everything is left on the RAM disk for you to look and and study, if needed.

I hope you enjoy this utility, and enjoy the benefits of extending the value of your Mac Pro.

Isn't working for me, sadly. It starts doing it's thing and than stops with 'Error 5570'


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Oto Rhino on May 18, 2016, 12:55:23 AM
I just updated my vintage Mac Pro 4.1 early 2009 running El Capitan this evening : SUCCESS !
It was a B08 firmware release. No problem encountered during the update process.

It is fully functional and now displays itself as an early 2009 Mac Pro 5.1 :)
I am looking forward installing a w3690 3,40 Ghz to replace my current 2,66 Ghz.

For those looking for a downgrade solution back from 5.1 TO 4.1 B08, the EFI compressed package is 1,9 Mo (4,2 Mo uncompressed), which is too large for this forum :(.

Best,
Renaud


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: cbellk on May 25, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
So anybody have 2 x5690s? If so, how are they still running? Any bad effects so far?

I ask, because according to aitte (reply 666, lol), anything with a TDP over 95 watts shouldn't be used due to the power supply and fans not being rated that high. Was just wondering how it's been for people that have installed them because I'd love to put them in my machine instead of being maxed out a the 5675s.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bromuc on June 04, 2016, 06:33:46 PM
Is it possible to upgrade sytem EFI from 1.39f5 to 1.39f11? My fans are running crazy...


Title: Delidding soldered IHS for upgrade to new CPU's in Mac Pro models 2009-2012
Post by: soren4 on June 12, 2016, 08:34:09 PM
As  a 2009 Mac Pro owner, I've followed the upgrade discussions for these machines carefully for some time.  There appears to be a lot of discussion and instruction on how to upgrade the firmware, with swapping out the processors, but this usually involves lidded CPU's instead, which pose potential risks of damaging the motherboard in the process.

I found an interesting video tutorial on Youtube today that clearly explains, while demonstrating, how to effectively remove the soldered IHS off the CPU, with the cleaning off of the solder, without damaging it. 

It seems to me that this would be a lot easier to do than having to modify the heat sync pads and add washers etc., all the while allowing the processors to stay cooler due to the removal of the IHS.

Here is the link for review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPhDfUkll-o



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Andy2k on June 12, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
Hi,

I am a newbie and I want to first start out by saying thanks for making this utility.  I was able to successfully update my 4,1 to 5,1 but the boot manager and resetting the PRAM no longer worked after the upgrade.  I downgraded my 5,1 back down to 4,1 and the boot option and PRAM reset key sequences work just again.  I don't really want to install reEFInd because I only need it very occasionally and reEFInd is great software but then it won't boot quickly without human intervention.  Thanks for any help on this.

-Andy

I am running 10.9.5


  Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro4,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   1
  Total Number of Cores:   4
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache:   8 MB
  Memory:   16 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   4.8 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP41.0081.B07
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5   
  Hardware UUID:   93219874-A3D8-5EA1-9677-37675AF89E16


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Squuiid on June 14, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
Mac Pro 4,1 on El Capitan, I disabled SIP, downloaded the 1.5 firmware from Apple and MacEFIRom's excellent utility and flashed.
VERY EASY! Thank you MacEFIRom.
I can now NETinstall from a Mac mini server as well as install macOS Sierra beta on my Mac Pro 2009 ;D


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: AStuff on June 15, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
What are the guesstimated odds that these firmware upgraded machines can run 10.12 when it surfaces in a few weeks?

It is working great with the Sierra beta.  From other messages the installer searches for 5,1 and is happy.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gerfault on June 19, 2016, 07:08:07 PM
Hi,

I've got a 4,1 MacPro and tried the install with the updater. I've the message : Error 5570


Can someone help me please !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on June 19, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
Google


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on June 20, 2016, 02:50:14 PM
I have the MacProEFIUpdate.dmg for 5.1 and MacEFIRom's utility. I also know how to disable SIP.

Could someone tell me how to proceed?

1. Disable SIP?
2. Place the MacProEFIUpdate(5.1) installer where? or extract something from it and place it where?
3. Run MacEFIRom's utility?
4. Reboot?
5. Enable SIP?
6. Reboot?

Rominator forgive me if this is obvious but it isn't to me.



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on June 20, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Why not read last few pages?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on June 20, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
Newbie CliveB after reading the last six pages thinks this is the process (paranoid and don't want to brick my machine):

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Reboot
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

To go back to 4.1 the process is the same except that in #3 Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 4.1)

So have I got it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: soren4 on June 20, 2016, 09:28:18 PM
Hi,

I've got a 4,1 MacPro and tried the install with the updater. I've the message : Error 5570


Can someone help me please !

Apparently all you have to do is this:

Download the Mac Pro Firmware update 1.5 (MacProEFIUpdate.dmg) from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321

With the downloaded .dmg on the desktop, double click to mount the image.

Run the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool. It will automatically locate the package and proceed to the next phase of reboot and power switch hold until the little light above the power button begins to flash or you hear a long beep.

There is no need to rename or replace anything. The Firmware Tool grabs the package and proceeds with the process with no 5570 error message.

Hope this helps other Mac Pro 2009 users who are attempting this firmware update.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on June 21, 2016, 02:04:17 PM
.
soren4, from what I've read if you are running El Capitan you need to boot into recovery mode and disable SIP before you start. If you are using an earlier OS that isn't necessary.

.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: bashir on June 22, 2016, 12:18:15 AM
Just posting to say thank you :)

I followed the steps below (changes I did were in italics to follow the process) and it worked first go.
Was a MacPro 4,1 running with 2 x Quad-core 2.26GHz processors -> now a MacPro 5,1   - very happy !
Now time to order a Wifi/BT card from osxwifi to make full use of macOS sierra


1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Shutdown and power back up by holding the power button until light flashes and beep sounds
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot
9. Reset PRAM



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on June 22, 2016, 02:06:30 PM
.
bashir, thank you for verifying the procedure with a couple of tweaks.

.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: b.l.allen on June 22, 2016, 09:11:52 PM
I downloaded the utility and running the first time I got an error. After doing a search I found out I needed to download the MacProEFIUpdate.dmg from Apple. After doing this, I re-ran the utility and it seemed to work. The system rebooted and came up great. I checked the system report and it still shows MacPro4,1 instead of 5,1. I didn't get any other errors, so, it seems the upgrade ran. Shouldn't it show MacPro 5,1 on system report? Any input would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on June 22, 2016, 11:35:03 PM
Do you have an EFI GPU?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on June 23, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
.
If you are running El Capitan you need to boot into recovery mode and disable SIP before you start.

You need to mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1) not just have it on the desktop.

.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: brockbackups on July 02, 2016, 08:56:18 PM
I flashed my Mac Pro 4,1 to a 5,1 using the utility and found a 5,1 dual cpu board with 2x 5650s, I know the SMC on the cpu board are different and was wondering if anyone has figured out how to make them match yet? I can handle the full speed fans but was just wondering if this has been figured out yet?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macmogul on July 05, 2016, 12:16:38 PM
I upgraded several 4.1 Macs inbetween, no problems so far. Yesterday I did it again but this time no success. Both CPU indicator lights lit red - no boot! I tried 2 different matched processor pairs - same issue. With original procs no problem, system info shows mac pro 5.1! Any ideas? Maybe Apple did something with the firmware file?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on July 05, 2016, 12:43:19 PM
try CPU trays in other machines



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: macmogul on July 05, 2016, 12:54:13 PM
thx rom....
tried in one machine which has been upgraded successfully. Same thing.....


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: S_Dude on July 07, 2016, 07:31:54 AM
Hi!
I have seen notes about Firmware “MP41.0081.B08” and “B07” and are wondering If / or

What happens if the upgrade fails?

Or later roll back, will it revert to B07? (which did not have) Would that the work on my machine? I have “B08”

(I have no intention to go back just so I know what happens or will it just become a pile of non-usable lump of metal.. if all goes wrong..

Kind regards
S_Dude from Sweden

I have identical set up as Rominator,
Early 2009
2 x 2,26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
MP41.0081.B08
Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 (11G63)
120GT and a 5770 Apple


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Delano on July 09, 2016, 09:10:09 AM

(https://ubvtsw-ch3301.files.1drv.com/y3mRPMV80K_3GlBGCqyIl72Up7LA81wERPYVo6sYoeNDjhOL0WXnBkUEV87eRSxyiCUD1SQeJpW-RrjKeyZI5VlyiAAJaoXh0_hSM5ALDuyhqQywmFdQKis1urKzrOj4kJUtHGWn3ru3926bjUVjF3crw?width=607&height=375&cropmode=none)

Good news! It works with Sierra public beta!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: muck on July 10, 2016, 01:52:25 AM
in preparation for macos.  i decided to take the jump on my 2009.

i honestly don't know why i didn't do it earlier.

displayports on my 5870 finally work.
safari is finally unleashed.
dx10 option in vmfusion.

thanks so much for the utility. 
seems like theres nothing my 2009 can't do again.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gerfault on July 27, 2016, 01:35:11 PM
Hi everyone,

I have a MacPro 2009 4.1 with a 2,66 Ghz Quad Core and El Capitan.

I tried the procedure with SIP disabling and on the ROM version when it's done, I'm still in 4,1... Anyone ?

The graphic card is a AMD Radeon HD 7xxx 3072 Mo.


Please help !


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: gerfault on July 27, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
.
soren4, from what I've read if you are running El Capitan you need to boot into recovery mode and disable SIP before you start. If you are using an earlier OS that isn't necessary.

.

Hi Soren4 and CliveB,

I've tries this also, and still in 4.1...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: chiefroastbeef on August 12, 2016, 02:36:07 PM
Hi guys,

I have a stupid question, but just want to make sure.

I flashed my 2009 MP from 4.1 to 5.1 a couple years ago (also putting in a 6-core 3.33ghz CPU), running Mavericks.

Now, I want get new SSDs (1 ssd for boot drive, 1 ssd for Home drive), my 5.1 firmware upgrade will be fine right?  I don't need to do anything after I put swap new SSDs with Yosemite?

What about my pc GTX 670 GPU?  Aside from installing the Nvidia and Cuda Mac driver, do I need to do anything else?

I apologise, it's been so long I've completely forgot the entire process I did to update to 5.1, and using the pc gtx 670 GPU.  I have read many threads at macrumors and this forum, but can't find the answer for sure.

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pitosalas on August 15, 2016, 02:41:23 AM
I tried running "Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool" which was an attachment to the first post. After I followed the instructions, and rebooted, it came back and my Mac had not changed to a MacPro5,1. Still 4,1. So then I rebooted and ran it again and this time I get an error 5570 (see attachment).

So I think I have a problem. Can you assist me? Thanks,

Pito


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dannyt on August 18, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
It the latest Sierra beta still working for everyone that has done the 5.1 firmware update?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pigsyn on August 19, 2016, 03:49:59 PM
I tried running "Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool" which was an attachment to the first post. After I followed the instructions, and rebooted, it came back and my Mac had not changed to a MacPro5,1. Still 4,1. So then I rebooted and ran it again and this time I get an error 5570 (see attachment).

So I think I have a problem. Can you assist me? Thanks,

Pito

Please download updated version of the firmware utility : http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg31640.html#msg31640

It the latest Sierra beta still working for everyone that has done the firmware update?

Didn't check since PB2. Display was acting weird / choppy with flashed ATI 7970


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jsepeta on August 22, 2016, 01:00:31 AM
I'm getting an error stating
"The program has encountered an error: 5570"
then the Firmware Tool quits


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jsepeta on August 22, 2016, 01:17:44 AM
Ok, I figured it out -- mounted the Apple .DMG file first, then ran the Firmware update tool, but it still failed.

photos of my efforts - https://www.facebook.com/jeff.sepeta/posts/1799704436939608


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dannyt on August 22, 2016, 01:40:45 AM
I'm getting an error stating
"The program has encountered an error: 5570"
then the Firmware Tool quits

Try This
Newbie CliveB after reading the last six pages thinks this is the process (paranoid and don't want to brick my machine):

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Reboot
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jonahlee on August 22, 2016, 08:37:04 PM
I am running El Capitan and running a 4,1 and tried this, but it didn't work. When i rebooted it took a good 5 minutes for my desktop to show back up, but it is still reporting as a 4,1. I have a PC Nvidia GTX 670 with 4 GB of RAM, could that be the issue? Do I need to swap for my old video card? I already disabled SIP.
Newbie CliveB after reading the last six pages thinks this is the process (paranoid and don't want to brick my machine):

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Reboot
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

To go back to 4.1 the process is the same except that in #3 Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 4.1)

So have I got it?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: PaulMC on August 22, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
I too just wanted to report as another happy owner of a Mac Pro (Early 2009) model that was successfully upgraded recently (on the 6th of this month) to the '5,1' firmware, courtesy of MacEFIRom's utility or actually pigsyn's patched edition (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg31640.html#msg31640) as mentioned again a few posts back (that incorporates the updated DL link for Apple's 2010-model firmware disk image, avoiding the 5570 error or the need to manually DL & pre-mount that disk image). The entire process took just a few minutes, and went very smoothly. So, MacEFIRom and pigsyn, I owe you both a very big 'thank you' indeed!

Prior to applying pigsyn's edition of the firmware tool, I followed all the great advice in this thread and began with the following 'standard' configuration:
  • Mac Pro (Early 2009) that already has the latest non-refurbished '4,1' firmware (MP41.0081.B07)
  • Graphics card with EFI boot-screen capability (in this case, a used Apple / ATI OEM Radeon HD 5770)
  • Traditional (SATA, non-SSD, GPT/EFI) boot HD, running an older pre-'El Capitan' OS X (to avoid SIP issues)
  • Fervent prayer ;-)

BTW, I'm a small developer, one among the many post-WWDC casualties left holding a 2009 Mac Pro declared "persona non grata" by the forthcoming macOS v10.12 'Sierra' ... In other words, I did this firmware upgrade not in order to allow installing faster components such as a Westmere CPU (at least not yet), but rather as the most seamless way to install macOS v10.12 'Sierra' beta editions on a separate disk/partition for early (& future) testing of my software under the new OS. This saves me from having to invest in a replacement tower for at least a while, until the 2010/2012 model gets dropped in turn.

For a bit over two weeks now, my '5,1'-upgraded Mac Pro (still using that older native Radeon) has been working just fine under my normal everyday OS boot disk, as well as seven stock OS installations (on my other partitioned boot disk used for QA testing, etc.) from Mac OS X 10.6.8 through 10.7.5, 10.8.5, 10.9.5, 10.10.5 and 10.11.6 to now macOS 10.12 'Sierra' Dev Beta 6. (Actually, I'd originally installed macOS 'Sierra' Dev Beta 5, and then was able to update to Dev Beta 6 via the Mac App Store.) The firmware Startup Manager (Option boot) has also been fully functional with no unusual delays or other issues at all. All five internal fans have been running at normal speeds too.

[Oh, and a few more configuration details ... My 2009 Mac Pro is a Quad Core @ 2.66 GHz, maxed out four years ago with 48 GB of 1333 MHz-capable RAM (running at the slower 1066 MHz due to the stock Nehalem W3520 CPU).]

Many thanks again!

--Paul


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jonahlee on August 30, 2016, 12:47:48 AM
I am running El Capitan and running a 4,1 and tried this, but it didn't work. When i rebooted it took a good 5 minutes for my desktop to show back up, but it is still reporting as a 4,1. I have a PC Nvidia GTX 670 with 4 GB of RAM, could that be the issue? Do I need to swap for my old video card? I already disabled SIP.
Newbie CliveB after reading the last six pages thinks this is the process (paranoid and don't want to brick my machine):

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Reboot
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

To go back to 4.1 the process is the same except that in #3 Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 4.1)

So have I got it?
Does anyone thinking swapping the old graphics card will help? I want to upgrade so I can install Sierra when it cones out.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: dannyt on August 30, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
I put my stock graphics card back in and moved my SSD from the PCI slot back up to one of the 4 drive bays before I did the update and it worked perfectly the first time without issues. I don't know it all that was needed but I wanted to try to make sure the update went ok.

I am running El Capitan and running a 4,1 and tried this, but it didn't work. When i rebooted it took a good 5 minutes for my desktop to show back up, but it is still reporting as a 4,1. I have a PC Nvidia GTX 670 with 4 GB of RAM, could that be the issue? Do I need to swap for my old video card? I already disabled SIP.
Newbie CliveB after reading the last six pages thinks this is the process (paranoid and don't want to brick my machine):

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Reboot
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

To go back to 4.1 the process is the same except that in #3 Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 4.1)

So have I got it?
Does anyone thinking swapping the old graphics card will help? I want to upgrade so I can install Sierra when it cones out.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: PaulMC on August 30, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
I am running El Capitan and running a 4,1 and tried this, but it didn't work. When i rebooted it took a good 5 minutes for my desktop to show back up, but it is still reporting as a 4,1. I have a PC Nvidia GTX 670 with 4 GB of RAM, could that be the issue? Do I need to swap for my old video card? I already disabled SIP.
[...]<SIP-related, etc., instructions omitted>[...]
Does anyone thinking swapping the old graphics card will help? I want to upgrade so I can install Sierra when it comes out.

Jonahlee, as dannyt suggested, you should definitely try putting back in your old stock graphics card, or any other one with (Mac-)EFI boot-screen capability. This issue has been discussed in various earlier posts (I know it's a very long thread, and easy to miss out on some of them).

In general it seems that the most common reasons why the '5,1' firmware upgrade may fail are:
  • Error 5570, due to Apple's renaming of their '5,1' firmware disk-image download, which can be resolved either by using pigsyn's patched edition of the tool (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg31640.html#msg31640) (which incorporates the new DL link), or manually DL'ing & pre-mounting that disk image
  • not having the latest '4,1' firmware ('MP41.0081.B07/B08') already installed
  • using a non-(Mac-)EFI graphics card
  • using a 'non-traditional' boot drive (e.g., non-GPT/-EFI, or PCIe/SSD, etc.), and/or running under a recent OS that has SIP enabled (e.g., OS X 10.11 'El Capitan' in default config)

{Apple has also suggested in the past, for regular firmware updates, that it may occasionally be necessary to remove all non-essential external devices, leaving just a mouse, keyboard and monitor attached. I personally did not have to go that drastic bare-bones route, but I guess it couldn't hurt if all else fails.}

--Paul


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jonahlee on September 02, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
Too cool. Replaced the graphics card and it worked, though I still have my startup ssd in a pci slot and everything attached. It is reporting as 5,1. Thanks for the help!

I am running El Capitan and running a 4,1 and tried this, but it didn't work. When i rebooted it took a good 5 minutes for my desktop to show back up, but it is still reporting as a 4,1. I have a PC Nvidia GTX 670 with 4 GB of RAM, could that be the issue? Do I need to swap for my old video card? I already disabled SIP.
[...]<SIP-related, etc., instructions omitted>[...]
Does anyone thinking swapping the old graphics card will help? I want to upgrade so I can install Sierra when it comes out.

Jonahlee, as dannyt suggested, you should definitely try putting back in your old stock graphics card, or any other one with (Mac-)EFI boot-screen capability. This issue has been discussed in various earlier posts (I know it's a very long thread, and easy to miss out on some of them).

In general it seems that the most common reasons why the '5,1' firmware upgrade may fail are:
  • Error 5570, due to Apple's renaming of their '5,1' firmware disk-image download, which can be resolved either by using pigsyn's patched edition of the tool (http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.msg31640.html#msg31640) (which incorporates the new DL link), or manually DL'ing & pre-mounting that disk image
  • not having the latest '4,1' firmware ('MP41.0081.B07/B08') already installed
  • using a non-(Mac-)EFI graphics card
  • using a 'non-traditional' boot drive (e.g., non-GPT/-EFI, or PCIe/SSD, etc.), and/or running under a recent OS that has SIP enabled (e.g., OS X 10.11 'El Capitan' in default config)

{Apple has also suggested in the past, for regular firmware updates, that it may occasionally be necessary to remove all non-essential external devices, leaving just a mouse, keyboard and monitor attached. I personally did not have to go that drastic bare-bones route, but I guess it couldn't hurt if all else fails.}

--Paul


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: vpnwiz on September 08, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
Just registered to say thanks! Updated my 4,1 to 5,1 - worked great. This box does not have internet access so I mounted the 5,1 image prior, then connected to my phone via BT to get past the ping check at the start. Didn't disconnect a thing. Just ran it. No issues.

Installed 2 x5675's last night - everything recognized ok. It took a couple iterations tightening the CPU's to get all of the fans not to run at full blast. I didn't dismount the fan connectors from the heatsinks like some videos show. Correct torque on the heatsink install was between 3-3/4 to 4 full turns. Or... if you have ADHD like me and midway through the operation realize you forgot to count all the screws, "pretty tight".  ;D

12 cores@3.06G, now scoring in the mid 24k range with Geekbench 3 running on only 12GB RAM and the original GT120!  :o Next upgrades - PCIe SSD and 64GB RAM (soon) along with an RX470 which is sitting on the desk right now waiting to go in. Looking forward to much faster Lightroom and Photoshop.

THANK YOU to everyone who contributed! Great community.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: kgarr on September 09, 2016, 06:09:57 AM
I have a fairly non-standard configuration, but it turned out that all I needed to do was disable SIP in OS X 10.11 to get it to work.

I have a Sapphire HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 Mac Edition Graphics Card. I swapped that for the original card, and it made no difference.

I also have a OWC Mercury Accelsior PCIe SSD. I didn't remove that, but I did try upgrading the firmware from a 10.11 install on a drive on the built in SATA bus and that didn't work either.

In the end I was able to upgrade the firmware to 5,1 from the OWC Mercury Accelsior PCIe SSD, with the Sapphire card installed, simply by going into recovery mode and disabling SIP.

I hope this info helps someone.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MacGrandPa on September 20, 2016, 04:28:36 PM
I hope this info helps someone.

Yes it helped me! Thanks very much!
Danke!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: goodfidelity on September 20, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Just did the firmware update on 3 machines. Two single processor and one dual. Encounterd some problems that i would like to share.

First i did install fresh install on all machines.

When trying to upgrade firmware on first machine it would not work, even if i disable CSR util and did everything correct. Just wouldnt work. Tried 4-5 times same way. The boot sequence failed every time.

Just swapped disks between two machines and it worked out fine. Seems one of the fresh installs were bad.

Problem number two was very serious with the dual processor machine. After upgrade it rebooted, i zapped the PRAM and then just grey screen.

I tried several ZAPPINGs, several reboots, removing power chord. EVERYTHING. Removed disk and tried booting with no disc. Still just grey screen for minuts. No apple, no nothing.

Then i swapped in one of the drives in slot number ONE on the machine and rebooted. Apple came and update was successful.

Seems there is lots of things that can go wrong. I did this update several times before with no problem.

Just beware! ;)

//GF



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Joolsy on September 24, 2016, 06:55:57 PM
Disabling SIP does the trick on El Capitan and we're now a MacPro5,1.

http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/05/disable-rootless-system-integrity-protection-mac-os-x/ (http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/05/disable-rootless-system-integrity-protection-mac-os-x/)

For those wondering about the configuration, for me the entire upgrade process worked as expected with a boot SSD attached to a PCIe controller and another 4 drives in the chassis plus an NVIDIA (Mac flashed) GeForce GTX 680 graphics card.

I can now download MacOS Sierra which I couldn't before which is good though I've yet to wait and install it - anyone had any success?

Unfortunately sysctl kern.hv_support still outputs 0 as expected... I'll need to look at upgrading the CPUs to ones that support MMU extensions or just get a Linux box to do my container testing.  The current (ancient) Mac Pro is simply not good value and not an option unfortunately - perhaps we'll see a new one, perhaps not.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade without original video card?
Post by: killermime on September 25, 2016, 04:51:25 AM
Can anyone confirm that you have to have the ORIGINAL nVidia GT card installed? I have a ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024 MB that I have in there now and I do not have the original. What happens if you don't have the original video card installed and try to update? Thoughts? Thank you!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Joolsy on September 25, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
I think that might have been answered in my post just above yours... the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2048 MB graphics card is definitely not the original installed card.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Joolsy on September 25, 2016, 12:03:19 PM
...can anyone who has upgraded their CPUs to 12-core tell me what the output of sysctl kern.hv_support is from their console - this will be a key decider for me to go to the next stage.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Joolsy on October 05, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
I upgraded my system in the end and it seems to check out so far - memory is now clocking at 1333 Mhz after a PRAM reset:

Your Mac contains 8 memory slots, each of which accepts
a 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC memory module.

$ sysctl kern.hv_support
kern.hv_support: 1

$ system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
Hardware:

    Hardware Overview:

      Model Name: Mac Pro
      Model Identifier: MacPro5,1
      Processor Name: 6-Core Intel Xeon
      Processor Speed: 3.46 GHz
      Number of Processors: 2
      Total Number of Cores: 12
      L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
      L3 Cache (per Processor): 12 MB
      Memory: 64 GB
      Processor Interconnect Speed: 6.4 GT/s
      Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
      SMC Version (system): 1.39f5
      SMC Version (processor tray): 1.39f5
      Serial Number (system): CK9110M820H
      Serial Number (processor tray): J593000LR1LUE     
      Hardware UUID: EBDD0C29-E8F6-50FE-8E93-1B56E4359D18



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Crusoe on October 06, 2016, 05:46:16 AM
Just did this with my Early 2009 to upgrade to Sierra.

4 core 2.93
ATI 5870
SSD

No issue at all. Good option for those who want to install macOS on earlier Mac Pro since they require a 2010.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on October 07, 2016, 09:37:51 PM
Crusoe, did you successfully install Sierra and is it working?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: pdice on October 07, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
I just updated my Early 2009 4,1 (B08) to 5,1!!  Smooth as silk ;D

I'm a Happy and Very Appreciative guy!!

Will start looking at Sierra, New CPU and Memory!!

Hardware Overview:
  Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   2.66 GHz
  Number of Processors:   1
  Total Number of Cores:   4
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache:   8 MB
  Memory:   8 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   4.8 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5
 
Software:
 OS X El Capitan 10.11.6


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Crusoe on October 08, 2016, 03:52:28 AM
Crusoe, did you successfully install Sierra and is it working?

Total success. I tried to upgrade before flashing just to be sure it was indeed not supported. Flashed and updated macOS Sierra without issue.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on October 08, 2016, 04:47:58 PM
Great!

Will probably not upgrade since Sierra only seems to focus on tighter integration of my iPhone and Mac apps. I don't use many Mac apps.

Browser is Firefox, email client is Thunderbird, spreadsheet is MS Excel, word processor MS Word, text editor is BBEdit, Backup is Carbon Copy Cloner, .........

Only Mac apps I use are Calendar and Contacts and they are synced to my iPhone.

Cheers


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 10, 2016, 11:04:28 AM
With MacOS Sierra installing and running effortlessly on my in 2011 upgraded Mac Pro 4.1, I decided to give this beautiful beast one more upgrade.

Last weekend I have upgraded the two X5660 CPUs to two X5690 CPUS. Unfortunately, I hardly see a performance improvement. I didn't expect the full 25% extra clock speed to propagate into results, but I hoped a 10...15% would be feasible. Unfortunately, the difference is hardly measurable: The 'noise' on GeekBench 4 results between different runs seems to be larger than the actual improvement. Does anybody here have similar experiences?

What does make a noticeable difference, is reducing the number of DIMMs from 8 to 6, due to the 3 memory channels per CPU. So I might order that 6x16MiB upgrade set from OWC. Can anybody recommend this upgrade (or against it)?

I am also considering to update my video card. Currently I've got an original Apple/ATI Radeon HD5870 card installed. Does anybody know if MacOS Sierra benefits from a faster video card? Does the OS itself actually utilize the CUDA cores for a better performance, look and feel? Or are user applications the only ones actually benefiting?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Petros on October 13, 2016, 10:40:32 PM
Hi guys.

My Mac Pro 2009 2x2.26 4.1 (B08 firmware) was successfully upgraded to 5.1 firmware without any issues. It run as 5.1 for about a week perfectly on original CPU's. When the x5650's came I delidded them and put them into machine. When I turned my Mac on, the led was flashing, the machine was up, but no chime, nor any attempt to boot. So I swapped back to the original CPU's - but with no effect. Mac seems to power up and then gets stuck: no chime, no boot, no option to even oped the CD drive regardless wich CPU's I put in - it gets stuck every time. The LED stopped flashing though and is normal now.

Help anyone?

UPDATE:
SOLVED! The CPU's were not screwed thight enough! You really want to tighten each screw until it does not go any further. It's a very noticeable      difference. Remember than these all were DELIDDED CPU's.

Now i have 2x 2,66MHz HEX-core Xeons and 24GB 1333 RAM:)



Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility doesn't work anymore
Post by: ada21 on October 19, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Flashed a few 4.1to 5.1 but now I am getting the error from the Firmware tool:
This program requires Internet access. Please connect your Mac to the internet and try again.
Please help.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on October 20, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
Did you remember to mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1) before using the tool?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: jchance on October 22, 2016, 05:16:56 AM
After several attempts, I finally got my Early 2009 DP Quad core 2.66 Xeon MacPro to update to 5.1.  Now I can upgrade to Sierra and breathe some life into it.  However, I have several questions. 

1--It currently has 32GB of 1066 RAM.  Obviously it would run best with 1333, true?

2--According to Geekbench4, my numbers went down from Single-Core/Multi-Core scores of 2339/12644 to 2222/11586 post flash.  Is this really normal?  Will faster RAM help much or does it really need faster processors before seeing significant rises?

3--I am doing this to try to delay purchasing a new machine, especially considering the poor form factor of the "Trashcan".  I have no issue replacing the chips, just don't want a lot of hassle or refitting/modifications to have to be done.  I am trying to wade through the different options for processors.  Which one or ones will produce the most bang for the money?

Thanks all!


Title: another successful Mac Pro 4,1 to 5,1 and Sierra MacOS upgrade !!!
Post by: BrokerDon on October 22, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
Thanks to the fabulous EFI updater patch I was able to EASILY upgrade our MacPro 4,1 to 5,1 firmware AND install Sierra last night!

All the notes and suggestions everybody put here were absolutely priceless!

QUESTIONS:

1. What improvement could I expect adding 2 more matching 4GB memory sticks?

2. What would give the better "Bang for the Buck": upgrading the CPUs or installing a PCI M.2 boot drive?

3. What CPU upgrades would you recommend?

4. Do I need "matching" upgrade CPUs?  If so how do I assure they're "matching"?

5. Can I just buy CPUs that are already mounted to eliminate the risk of frying a CPU module and motherboard?

6. What PCI card / M.2 boot drive would you recommend?

Thanks for you help!

Don

Apple computer user since 1981 (Apple ][+ 48k RAM floppy DD)   ;D

Here's our Mac Pro's AFTER "System Information"

Mac Pro (Early 2009)

2 x 2.93 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

24 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 (6 x 4GB in Slots 1-3 & 5-7)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512 MB

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro5,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   2.93 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per Processor):   8 MB
  Memory:   24 GB
  Processor Interconnect Speed:   6.4 GT/s
  Boot ROM Version:   MP51.007F.B03
  SMC Version (system):   1.39f5
  SMC Version (processor tray):   1.39f5

Wi-Fi:
 Card Type:   AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x8E)
  Firmware Version:   Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.106.98.100.24)

Bluetooth:
Apple Bluetooth Software Version:   5.0.0f18
  Hardware, Features, and Settings:
  Name:   MacPro-002500EF2255
  Address:   00-25-bc-62-53-ce
  Bluetooth Low Energy Supported:   No
  Handoff Supported:   No
  Instant Hot Spot Supported:   No
  Manufacturer:   Broadcom
  Transport:   USB
  Chipset:   2046
  Firmware Version:   v208 c518
  Bluetooth Power:   On
  Discoverable:   On
  Connectable:   Yes
  Auto Seek Pointing:   On
  Remote wake:   On
  Vendor ID:   0x05AC
  Product ID:   0x8215


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on October 23, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
After watching this thread for a few weeks I convinced my paranoid mind that I wasn't going to brick my Pro Mac. So I went through the process and am now 5,1. I have added a couple things that I ran into that caused me issues until I figured it out [see below].

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP since I'm running El Capitan
2. Reboot [Turn off any outbound firewall like LittleSnitch since the script needs Internet access]
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Shutdown and power back up by holding the power button until light flashes and tone sounds [and screen appears with fat progress bar]
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

As I found out DO NOT RELEASE POWER BUTTON after tone until screen appears with fat progress bar.

Still will likely not install Sierra unless I find a compelling reason.

Cheers all, this is a great forum.

EDIT: Just found a compelling reason, curiosity.  ;) I have three boot drives where two are clones of my "main" drive. Installed Sierra on one of them since Apple now thinks I have a 2010 Pro Mac. All went fine and am running from that drive with Seirra (10.12).  :)

EDIT: EDIT: After pounding on Sierra for 24 hours all is good. Found out that Apple removed the srm UNIX command for secure delete. Actually not a big deal since I now have all SSD's in my Pro Mac and secure delete is a bad thing to do with SSD's. I installed Trim Enabler which takes care of the secure delete issue fairly well for SSD's. I also got my Apache server up and running. Also as far as I can tell all my AppleScripts are working.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: MindBender on October 27, 2016, 04:03:15 PM
1--It currently has 32GB of 1066 RAM.  Obviously it would run best with 1333, true?
Yes, that will make a big difference. Populating only DIMM slot 1, 2, 3 and 5, 6, 7 makes a difference too, since these CPUs have triple memory buses.

2--According to Geekbench4, my numbers went down from Single-Core/Multi-Core scores of 2339/12644 to 2222/11586 post flash.  Is this really normal?
In my experience, GeekBench4 results aren't very repeatable. I have seen variations on ~2000 on the multi-core results in a controlled setting.

Will faster RAM help much or does it really need faster processors before seeing significant rises?
In my experience, faster RAM does more than a faster CPU. I don't recall the gain I got from switching from 1066MHz to 1333MHz RAM, but I do remember that I was nog disappointed.

However, two weeks ago I upgraded my dual X5660 (2.8GHz) to dual X5690 (3.46GHz), and I barely noticed any difference. In my experience, GeekBench4 results aren't very repeatable and the newer CPUs didn't even stick out from the variations on GeekBench4 results. See also my post one page back.

With the benefit of hindsight, I wouldn't go for the X5690 anymore. They are still expensive on the used marked, because it is the fasted CPUs for this socket, but it also has a TDP of 130 Watt, while the maximum allowed is 95 Watt. The fastest 95 Watt CPU for this socket is the X5675.

3--I am doing this to try to delay purchasing a new machine, especially considering the poor form factor of the "Trashcan".  I have no issue replacing the chips, just don't want a lot of hassle or refitting/modifications to have to be done.
Same here; I don't even consider that thing to be a professional machine; A professional workstation has user upgradable RAM, mass storage, video card and with a bit of luck: CPUs.

I am trying to wade through the different options for processors.  Which one or ones will produce the most bang for the money?
I only know that used X5690s are overpriced. See if you can get yourself X5675s for a reasonable price.

Or you can make me an offer on my set of two X5660s with 32GB of 1333MHz RAM (8 DIMMs). I bough everything new at that time, and I have proper ESD protection in place.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: screendor on October 31, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Thanks you!!  This is fantastic.  However, I get an error code 5570--which I guess is to due to my ATI 5570 card?  Is there a workaround?

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BrokerDon on October 31, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
Isn't the only way to get the benefit from faster DDR3 ECC 1333MHz PC3-10600 RAM upgrading to 12-core CPUs on our 8-core 2.93 GHz 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 (firmware updated to MacPro 5,1) as shown in OWC's memory selector https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory#1333-memory ?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: verveguy on November 05, 2016, 12:22:13 PM
I could not get the firmware updater tool to work. Error 5570 then Error 5530.

So I hacked the scripts within the tool and ran them directly. I now have a MacPro 2009 which reports Model Identifier: MacPro5,1

Root problem: you need to have BOTH the 2010 and 2009 EFI upgrader disk images available so this tool can prepare both the upgrade and downgrade paths. And the tool no longer seems to be capable of downloading them (or at least not for me and anyone else getting the 5530 error). Digging into the compiled .scpt file inside the tool, it's pretty clear what is wrong. But the script is run-only compiled and I can't fix it directly.

So I manually downloaded them and then had to hack the subsidiary shell scripts embedded in the Firmware Tool app and run them directly by hand.

Here's what I did:

0/ Reboot in recovery mode and disable SIP (Recovery mode, Terminal,  csrutil disable ). Reboot again.

1/ Download *both* EFI updater packages from Apple
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL989?locale=en_US
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1321?locale=en_US

2/ Use DiskUtility to convert each disk image to a new read/write image

3/ Mount the first image for the 2009 firmware. Rename the mounted disk to Mac Pro EFI Update 2009

4/ Mount the second image for the 2010 firmware. Rename the mounted disk to Mac Pro EFI Update 2010

5/ Run the netkas forum Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.app
(it will fail, but it will create the RamDisk)

6/ Hack the ExtractAndPatchEFIFiles.sh script buried in my ~/Downloads/Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool.app/Contents/Resources/ directory with this new version:
Code:
#!/bin/sh

pushd /Volumes/RamDisk

# we mounted the EFI update disk image manually
# hdiutil attach -nobrowse EFI2010.dmg
pkgutil --expand '/Volumes/Mac Pro EFI Update 2010/MacProEFIUpdate.pkg' Expanded
cp Expanded/MacProEFIUpdate.pkg/Payload Payload
tar -xf Payload
mkdir MacProEFI2010-2009
mkdir MacProEFI2009-2010
cp 'System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates/MacProEFIUpdate15/EFIUpdaterApp2.efi' MacProEFI2010-2009
cp 'System/Library/CoreServices/Firmware Updates/MacProEFIUpdate15/MP51_007F_03B_LOCKED.fd' MacProEFI2009-2010/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd
rm -R Applications
rm -R Expanded
rm -R System
rm Payload
hdiutil detach '/Volumes/Mac Pro EFI Update/'

# we mounted the EFI update disk image manually
# hdiutil attach -nobrowse EFI2009.dmg
pkgutil --expand '/Volumes/Mac Pro EFI Update 2009/MacProEFIUpdate.pkg' Expanded
cp Expanded/MacProEFIUpdate.pkg/Payload Payload
tar -xf Payload
cp 'Applications/Utilities/Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update.app/Contents/Resources/EfiUpdaterApp2.efi' MacProEFI2009-2010
cp 'Applications/Utilities/Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update.app/Contents/Resources/MP41_0081_07B_LOCKED.fd' MacProEFI2010-2009/MP51_007F_03B_LOCKED.fd
rm -R Applications
rm -R Expanded
rm -R System
rm Payload
hdiutil detach '/Volumes/Mac Pro EFI Update/'

popd

patch /Volumes/RamDisk/MacProEFI2009-2010/EfiUpdaterApp2.efi EfiUpdater2009.patch
patch /Volumes/RamDisk/MacProEFI2010-2009/EfiUpdaterApp2.efi EfiUpdater2010.patch

7/ Then run the script directly. Using terminal:

Code:
cd ~/Downloads/Mac\ Pro\ 2009-2010\ Firmware\ Tool.app/Contents/Resources/
./ExtractAndPatchEFIFile.sh
sudo UpgradeEFI2009-2010.sh

8/ Shutdown then power on and hold down the power button. Don't let it go. You'll hear the beep indicating EFI update, then it will reboot again. Keep the button down. In my case, the CD drive popped out. I waited a while, then pushed the CD drive back in. Eventually, I got bored and let the power button go. A little while later it rebooted again. Maybe even one more time.

9/ Login, check all is well with System Info.

10/ Reboot into Recovery mode again, enable SIP (Terminal, csrutil enable). Reboot


I'm pretty sure I captured all of that correctly. Hope this helps others.

(If anyone knows how to contact the original author of the update tool or can get the source, I'd happily fix it)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: InfaSyn on November 05, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
Hi all, Finally got round to doing this to my 2009 pro and ever since I've had issues with iCloud and iMessage. The reason is that I have a 5,1 identifying mac with a 4,1 serial number which I think has confused iCloud. I phoned apple about this issue and being a 4,1 mac (with a "vintage" status), Apple weren't willing to help. Other than some how spoofing a 5,1 serial number, are there any of you that have experienced this and anyone know of a fix?

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 07, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Have not experienced any iCloud or iMessage errors.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 08, 2016, 03:40:27 PM
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@InfaSyn, your premise with regard to serial numbers is not correct re iCloud.

I have three devices on iCloud, my Mac Pro, my MacBook Pro and iPhone. I recently changed my Mac Pro from 4,1 to 5,1.

If I check in System Preferences iCloud in the account details it shows four devices; note it shows two Mac Pros even though I only have one.

Both Mac Pros shown have the same Serial Number but different OS's. My old 4,1 lists 10.11.6 and the new 5,1 lists 10.12.1. I have no problem with iCloud and my various items that are specified in System Preferences iCloud are synced with my Mac Pro, MacBook Pro and my iPhone.

NOTE: for the 4,1 listing there is a button to "Remove From Account". iCloud appears to "know" that the 4,1 Mac Pro no longer "exists".

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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: rp_77_mac on November 13, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
Questions for those who have done the firmware upgrade.

I have a 12 core 2.93Ghz 2010 Mac Pro (2 x 6 core 2.93Ghz). This machine currently has issue which is either the Power Supply or logic board (will be looked at tomorrow by Mac service (not Apple) to determine exact issue).

If the problem turns out to be logic board then replacing will be expensive (and Power Supply also may be expensive). It may be cheaper for me to buy a 2009 (Mac 4,1) single processor from eBay to replace.

What I would want to do:-

1) Buy 2009 Mac Pro (Mac 4,1) single processor
2) Perform Firmware upgrade "hack" to "upgrade" to Mac 5,1
3) Take dual processor tray out of 2010 Mac Pro (dead machine) and replace single processor tray in 2009 Mac Pro.

Is the above possible?
Is there anything special I would need to do to have this work OK? (i.e. swap trays 1st, swap trays after FW upgrade etc.).

I have read that the Firmware on logic board and CPU board/tray need to be the same:-

1) How does that happen (i.e. does upgrading FW upgrade on both logic board and CPU board)?
2) How to ensure (if possible) that the FW on the 2010 Dual CPU tray matches the "updated" FW on the 2009 Mac Pro?

Anything else I would need to look our for/do/be aware of?

Appreciate any help that anyone can provide.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 15, 2016, 11:14:18 PM
Questions for those who have done the firmware upgrade.

I have a 12 core 2.93Ghz 2010 Mac Pro (2 x 6 core 2.93Ghz). This machine currently has issue which is either the Power Supply or logic board (will be looked at tomorrow by Mac service (not Apple) to determine exact issue).

If the problem turns out to be logic board then replacing will be expensive (and Power Supply also may be expensive). It may be cheaper for me to buy a 2009 (Mac 4,1) single processor from eBay to replace.

What I would want to do:-

1) Buy 2009 Mac Pro (Mac 4,1) single processor
2) Perform Firmware upgrade "hack" to "upgrade" to Mac 5,1
3) Take dual processor tray out of 2010 Mac Pro (dead machine) and replace single processor tray in 2009 Mac Pro.

Is the above possible?
Is there anything special I would need to do to have this work OK? (i.e. swap trays 1st, swap trays after FW upgrade etc.).

I have read that the Firmware on logic board and CPU board/tray need to be the same:-

1) How does that happen (i.e. does upgrading FW upgrade on both logic board and CPU board)?
2) How to ensure (if possible) that the FW on the 2010 Dual CPU tray matches the "updated" FW on the 2009 Mac Pro?

Anything else I would need to look our for/do/be aware of?

Appreciate any help that anyone can provide.

Well I've only just joined after reading the entire thread (ok, I did skip some :-) and that took a looonnng time. But in the absence of any other reply, I think I can say that what you are suggesting will not work as both the main/logic board and the CPU/processor board/tray need to be on the same SMC version. The 4,1 and 5,1 have a different SMC and I suspect it just ain't gonna even boot. But I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

The question of whether the SMC can be changed to make it match has been asked on here previously, but not answered. However, if anyone does have the answer it would be good to know.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 15, 2016, 11:25:08 PM
Has anyone updated their firmware from 4,1 to 5,1 while already running Sierra?

I've used the installer patch to allow installation of Sierra on my 4,1 and it's been running fine for weeks. Would I be right in thinking that running the firmware updater will require disabling SIP etc the same as for El Capitan? But it should then work?

I know I can just try it and I will, but it's always nice to know someone else has already done it.

So one way or another, we know Sierra runs fine on the 4,1 hardware. But for me, it gets no software updates. There's another patch that I cannot fathom and I'm not sure if every update then needs to be patched. However, can anyone who has installed Sierra just after updating the firmware to 5,1 confirm whether or not software updates work. I think there've been a couple released. Does a 4,1->5,1 upgraded Mac Pro, with Sierra installed also automatically receive any Sierra updates?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 16, 2016, 05:43:08 PM
As I'm still pondering the efficacy of upgrading my Mac Pro and after reading some of the comments in this thread, a thought has occurred to me.

Apparently, the 'About this Mac' dialog still shows "Early 2009", even after updating the firmware and it has been claimed that this is because this information is obtained by checking back with Apple, using the serial number of the machine, which will still state it's original model designation. All of which is quite feasible and understandable. But it raises a question in my mind...

One of the benefits of updating the firmware is to be able to keep using such a perfectly adequate machine, with the latest OS, even after Apple has determined you should buy a new Mac. Ok, faster CPUs and more/faster RAM is also of benefit, but somewhat limited if you can't run the latest version of the OS.

Fortunately, the Mac Pro 5,1 is likely to have a few more years left before Apple consign that to the junk heap. Which is good news as long as we can pretend our 4,1 is a 5,1 for the purposes of software updates, which we currently can do with the excellent utility discussed here. I say currently because since Apple has already demonstrated its ability to confirm machine type from its serial number, why would they not do this when checking the suitablity of an OS update and prevent anyone from 'cheating' as we are currently able to do?

Obviously I hope they never do this and that we can continue to use our 4,1 Macs with the latest MacOS for as long as they allow the 5,1 to do so. But it's a worry that they could very easily circumvent our little subterfuge and then we'd be stuck at whatever OS we had at the time. Heck, they could even prevent the OS from running at all on older Macs on which they have decided they don't want it to run.

Which leads to the final question. Is it possible to spoof serial numbers?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 16, 2016, 06:19:56 PM
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Does a 4,1->5,1 upgraded Mac Pro, with Sierra installed also automatically receive any Sierra updates?

YES

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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 16, 2016, 06:28:16 PM
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(1) As I'm still pondering the efficacy of upgrading my Mac Pro and after reading some of the comments in this thread, a thought has occurred to me.
.............
(2) Which leads to the final question. Is it possible to spoof serial numbers?

(1) You own the computer, "efficacy" is irrelevant.

(2) Spoof serial numbers? What happened to efficacy? Sounds like you are more paranoid than me; that is VERY BAD!

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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BennyBoy on November 17, 2016, 04:11:34 AM
So I joined to share my short story. Did the flash to 5,1, and noticed my Mac seem to get a bit more stable. Also my very troubled Sonnet USB Allegro pro is now working as if it were a stock Apple card. It would seem the 5,1 firmware has more positive side effects.

I bought a pair of X5672's for $73. and six 4gb sticks of memory for $27.

Updated to Sierra and all is good. Pretty much have a useful Mac for another 5 years.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162148388165?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Also FYI, I used washers of 2.25mm, and thermal pad of 3mm thick. Tightened nuts to stop(bottom out) in 1/8 turn increments.

2mm washers cause too much force on cpu's, and 2.5mm was not enough(some memory would not be seen). 2.2mm~2.3mm was the sweet spot.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 17, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
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Does a 4,1->5,1 upgraded Mac Pro, with Sierra installed also automatically receive any Sierra updates?

YES

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Good news. Thanks for that.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 17, 2016, 09:54:52 AM
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(1) As I'm still pondering the efficacy of upgrading my Mac Pro and after reading some of the comments in this thread, a thought has occurred to me.
.............
(2) Which leads to the final question. Is it possible to spoof serial numbers?

(1) You own the computer, "efficacy" is irrelevant.

(2) Spoof serial numbers? What happened to efficacy? Sounds like you are more paranoid than me; that is VERY BAD!

.

Sorry, you've completely lost me. Don't understand either of your points, neither makes any sense, but just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.  ;)

Anyway, I'm not the first to mention in this thread the idea of spoofing serial numbers. I'm sure it's not simple, maybe even actually impossible, I don't know. Does anyone here know?

in fact, where is the serial number stored. Anyone know that?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 17, 2016, 04:17:56 PM
From one of my earlier posts:

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@InfaSyn, your premise with regard to serial numbers is not correct re iCloud.

I have three devices on iCloud, my Mac Pro, my MacBook Pro and iPhone. I recently changed my Mac Pro from 4,1 to 5,1.

If I check in System Preferences iCloud in the account details it shows four devices; note it shows two Mac Pros even though I only have one.

Both Mac Pros shown have the same Serial Number but different OS's. My old 4,1 lists 10.11.6 and the new 5,1 lists 10.12.1. I have no problem with iCloud and my various items that are specified in System Preferences iCloud are synced with my Mac Pro, MacBook Pro and my iPhone.

NOTE: for the 4,1 listing there is a button to "Remove From Account". iCloud appears to "know" that the 4,1 Mac Pro no longer "exists".

From what I have observed Apple does not care that the Mac Pro has been hacked; they also don't care if you jailbreak your iPhone.


(http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/e052.gif)


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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 21, 2016, 09:59:05 AM
From what I have observed Apple does not care that the Mac Pro has been hacked; they also don't care if you jailbreak your iPhone.
(http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/e052.gif)
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I hope that you are right, however it doesn't explain how after upgrading to 5,1 firmware, 'About this Mac' still shows it as 4,1. Mind you, I've not done the upgrade myself yet so that's based on what others have said here. But if true, why does it still think it's a 4,1?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 21, 2016, 10:02:54 AM
... and six 4gb sticks of memory for $27.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162148388165?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Which confirms a 4,1 Mac Pro works fine with Registered RAM. Good to know as it's more easily available and cheaper.  :)


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 21, 2016, 03:29:48 PM
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@UKenGB - Have no idea what you are talking about.

About this Mac -> System Overview

(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/4646/lRpHwc.png)

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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: UKenGB on November 21, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
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@UKenGB - Have no idea what you are talking about.

About this Mac -> System Overview

(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/4646/lRpHwc.png)

.

No, that's System Profiler (or whatever name Apple now use). But if you read this thread you would discover that many have commented that after updating firmware, the 'About this Mac' dialog (the first window that pops up when you select About this Mac from the Apple menu and don't click any buttons on there) still claims it's an Early 2009 model. The speculation is that there is a check back to Apple based on the serial number that still will record it as its original model rather than any upgraded firmware.

I'm only stating what others have reported in this very thread.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on November 21, 2016, 05:07:23 PM
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The speculation is that there is a check back to Apple based on the serial number that still will record it as its original model rather than any upgraded firmware.

They ARE WRONG. If I disable my Internet connection and reboot my Pro Mac (so can't call back to Apple), it still says in About This Mac Mac Pro (Early 2009).

So what? In the System Overview it lists the model identifier as 5,1 and I can run Sierra.

Sorry I have to go now, Apple is coming to get me!!!

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Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: trumanhw on November 26, 2016, 10:26:58 PM
Questions for those who have done the firmware upgrade.

I have a 12 core 2.93Ghz 2010 Mac Pro (2 x 6 core 2.93Ghz). This machine currently has issue which is either the Power Supply or logic board (will be looked at tomorrow by Mac service (not Apple) to determine exact issue).

If the problem turns out to be logic board then replacing will be expensive (and Power Supply also may be expensive). It may be cheaper for me to buy a 2009 (Mac 4,1) single processor from eBay to replace.

What I would want to do:-

1) Buy 2009 Mac Pro (Mac 4,1) single processor
2) Perform Firmware upgrade "hack" to "upgrade" to Mac 5,1
3) Take dual processor tray out of 2010 Mac Pro (dead machine) and replace single processor tray in 2009 Mac Pro.

Is the above possible?
Is there anything special I would need to do to have this work OK? (i.e. swap trays 1st, swap trays after FW upgrade etc.).

I have read that the Firmware on logic board and CPU board/tray need to be the same:-

1) How does that happen (i.e. does upgrading FW upgrade on both logic board and CPU board)?
2) How to ensure (if possible) that the FW on the 2010 Dual CPU tray matches the "updated" FW on the 2009 Mac Pro?

Anything else I would need to look our for/do/be aware of?

Appreciate any help that anyone can provide.


No: 09 and 10 use different boards to my knowledge, and I think you'll fry your CPU tray. Sorry. You need a CPU tray that is the same year as the board it goes in to... and if I'm wrong I'll be happy -- but would love someone else to do it at this point because we've lost 3 CPU boards.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BennyBoy on November 28, 2016, 04:55:01 AM
The boards are different. They at least have different CPU socket mounts. There may be different electronically as well, such as high wattage CPU's on later boards. ???


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Asomatous on November 29, 2016, 07:43:59 AM
I come quite late to this discussion so pardon me if this has been asked and answered before. I have a late 2008 MacPro 3,1. System information as follows:
  Model Name:   Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacPro3,1
  Processor Name:   Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:   3 GHz
  Number of Processors:   2
  Total Number of Cores:   8
  L2 Cache (per Processor):   12 MB
  Memory:   32 GB
  Bus Speed:   1.6 GHz
  Boot ROM Version:   MP31.006C.B05
  SMC Version (system):   1.25f4

I am wondering if I can apply the firmware hack so I can upgrade to macOS Sierra.
What challenges will I face?
Will I have to make hardware changes?
I think I have enough processing power to handle the upgrade but have noted some discussing RAM changes.
All insights gladly accepted.

Thanks in advance to all.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on November 29, 2016, 11:14:32 PM
There is a different hack for 3,1 to run Sierra

but there is no firmware fix for 3,1

research is needed


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BennyBoy on November 30, 2016, 04:01:41 AM
No, but there is a way via software to install 10.12.

Search Youtube.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: RustyPitchfork on December 14, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
So I have a Mac Pro 5,1 (2010) single socket and just acquired a 4,1 (2009) dual CPU board. Can I just run the utility and select the 2010 option and be good to go?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: Rominator on December 14, 2016, 10:04:17 PM
Research


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: BennyBoy on December 17, 2016, 03:51:12 AM
So I have a Mac Pro 5,1 (2010) single socket and just acquired a 4,1 (2009) dual CPU board. Can I just run the utility and select the 2010 option and be good to go?

Just slide it in. Should work on a 2010 with no mods.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: netkas on December 17, 2016, 08:19:14 AM
no.

you can upgrade to siera with a different hack, but no need to touch (you can't anyway) the firmware.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: RustyPitchfork on December 23, 2016, 09:39:08 PM
So from spending much time reading, it sounds like it's highly unadvised to run anything besides matched hardware boards. (i.e.. 2009 MLB/back board with a 2009 Processor Tray. No mixing and matching.) So I have acquired a 2009 dual socket to replace my 2010 single socket.

Here is my second questions, I now have 2 Processor Trays, 1 of which I had run the 5,1 upgrade on and one of which I haven't. They both seem to boot fine (no fan issues). So I am wondering, does the 5,1 upgrade actually reach out and touch the processor trays? Both processor boards should a SMC Version (processor tray): 1.39f5


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: mc7068 on December 28, 2016, 10:20:20 AM
Hi, I'm going to upgrade my Mac Pro to 5.1 firmware. My setup is: early 2009 4.1 Yosemite 10.10.5  2x2.66 core  2xgt120 videocard  32 gb 1066 ram.
Any advice, tips, suggestion before starting?
Thanks for your attention


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: CliveB on January 04, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
This works; since you are running Yosemite you can ignore steps #1 and #7.

1. Boot into recovery mode and disable SIP
2. Reboot [Turn off any outbound firewall like LittleSnitch since the script needs Internet access]
3. Mount the MacProEFIUpdate dmg (for 5.1)
4. Run MacEFIRom's utility.
5. Shutdown and power back up by holding the power button until light flashes and tone sounds [and screen appears with fat progress bar]
6. Verify Boot ROM Version: MP51.007F.B03
7. Boot into recovery mode and enable SIP
8. Reboot

As I found out DO NOT RELEASE POWER BUTTON after tone until screen appears with fat progress bar.


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: wizardofoz on January 11, 2017, 08:13:01 AM
Other than utility linked in the very 1st post is there anything buried in the following posts for other models? Trying to avoid reading all 73 pages  ;D

Is there a specific model to work with that can be identified by Model / EMC numbers? and appropriate utility?


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on January 14, 2017, 03:54:45 AM
So I have a Mac Pro 5,1 (2010) single socket and just acquired a 4,1 (2009) dual CPU board. Can I just run the utility and select the 2010 option and be good to go?

No it won't work...
The SMC version is different between the CPU board and the backplane board, the fan will always run full speed, theres nothing to do, I have a 2009 single processor and a 2010 dual processor and tried it, there's nothing to do...


Title: Re: Mac Pro Firmware Upgrade Utility Released!
Post by: EvilMonk on January 14, 2017, 04:05:22 AM