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Title: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 24, 2014, 08:09:09 AM
So, being obsessive, it has been bugging me that very latest Macs have "Gigabit WiFi" and we don't .

And I wanted it.

And someone was kind enough to give me a link to TonyMac where someone soldered a newer AC older "n" card to a Mini PCIE board and was able to make it work.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/general-hardware-discussion/99327-could-next-wlan-bluetooth-combo-card-2013-macbooks.html

With some research I discovered that the TonyMac thread was actually a repost of a MUCH longer thread in Russian. Google translate of course made it humorous but not esp useful.

http://applelife.ru/threads/zapuskaem-kombo-moduli-wi-fi-bluetooth-ot-apple-na-obychnom-kompjutere.39681/

Everything you need to know to do this is in first post. The pin outs being in English was a MAJOR PLUS.

I also found a guy at InsanelyMac who had purchased a double adapter on TaoBao. He was all cheesed off that the BT part doesn't work when in Mac Pro Mini slot.

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/289922-anyone-got-any-pci-e-bcm4360-wifi-ac-card-going-new-macbook-air-owner-wanted/

Anyhow, so 2 or 3 (1 or maybe 2) people have achieved this so far.

So, I had to do it too.

And let me express my amazement at the humble Russian guy who did the original solder work. He tossed it off like "so I soldered this together" like he was talking about brushing his teeth. Took me 2 stinking days !!!! So easy to short one pin when adding another. At one point I had 7 wires connected but as I tried fixing 7th the 6th shorted, I ended up back to 4 left. I then realized I had wrong wire so I started over with new wire.

In short, I used the BCM94360CD which is for iMac 2013. And I am typing and posting this with it sitting in the Optical Drive Bay, without a single antennae wire connected. I need to epoxy the last 5 solders in permanently before I start getting rough with the board. I would solder 4 or 5 wires, then epoxy them so that future work didn't undo previous let it set, solder some more. So, lots of breaks.

You need steady hands, a LOT of patience and a good voltmeter with sharp points. LOTS and LOTS of checking for shorts. Obviously getting one wrong could burn up the Mini PCIE port in Mac Pro.

I am 100% certain I could add the BT function but it would likely require a USB plug on the outside and some wires going in the cheese grater holes. But I NEVER use BT on the Mac Pros so not sure when I will bother.

So, proof is in the pudding (or screen shots in this case)

Nice thing about using original Apple card, it will always work and will never need kext fiddle faddling. Even when other BCM94360 based cards come out for general use, they may very well use different device or vendor id's meaning driver won't lock into them. I have some of the 4352 sitting down in the mailbox, my understanding is that even with driver fix, they never run in ac mode so not sure of usefulness. I'll test later and post. Would be nice to find some antennae wire extensions so I can test cards from outside but use the real antennae.

And before anyone notes lousy speeds, please keep in mind I haven't hooked up antennas yet. Once the last round of epoxy dries I will do so and post more impressive stuff.

I am hopeful for a way to make these more easily and faster and potentially sell them through MacVidCards. There are things on TaoBao that have promise but sending a bunch of money to someone in China makes me nervous.

EDIT: Looks like the TonyMac/Russian guy did this with a 94331 card, all that bother for "N"...I am likely the first for "ac" unless someone did it and didn't post. (referring to soldering, using an adapter much easier)

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Title: with antennas hooked up
Post by: Rominator on February 24, 2014, 10:08:58 AM
MacVidCards:~ ddff$ /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport -I
     agrCtlRSSI: -53
     agrExtRSSI: 0
    agrCtlNoise: -92
    agrExtNoise: 0
          state: running
        op mode: station
     lastTxRate: 1053
        maxRate: 1300
lastAssocStatus: 0
    802.11 auth: open
      link auth: wpa2-psk
          BSSID: 90:72:40:15:54:3f
           SSID: Dpart
            MCS: 9
        channel: 36,80


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on February 24, 2014, 02:32:37 PM

Hellfire!! That is nice solder work! Those pins are tiny!

Really nice job Rominator, and thanks for posting it all up.

I like to think that I'm not bad with the old soldering iron, but I'm not sure I'd even try that!!

117Mb/s without antennae!!

Hmmm… Where are those listings again?

:)

-Rob


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 24, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
Thanks !!

I realize now that I got wrong card extender. I meant to get ones that used ribbon cable that had wires, the ones I got is like a sheet of thin plastic with foil traces inside. I have found ones that I think will work better in China and ordered some.

This will cut the soldering in half, though the pins on the bcm94360 are the trickier ones.

Oddly, all of the pins are common on the other side, so Apple could have made them twice as wide had they chosen too.

Without antenaes it was running faster than the "G" cards in most of these machines.

I am waiting for an AC card I have ordered for my rMBP now. It is unique I that it only requires a board swap to move to new standard. Then I can try testing the speed out, hard to find another way to stress the connection. I'll try copying a large file and time it compared to "n" level card on another Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Squishy Tia on February 24, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
There aren't any working AC mPCIe cards out there that OS X supports natively?

What about this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106190)?


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 25, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
Try this, type "Intel 7260 OSX" into a google search bar.

There's your answer.

Even if it did work it is 2 stream, like MBA, would run at 867 instead of 1300.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on February 25, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Would be nice to find some antennae wire extensions so I can test cards from outside but use the real antennae.

You mean like this sort of thing?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300942436639 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/300942436639)

-Rob


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 25, 2014, 09:51:48 PM
Hopefully, yes.

Can you confirm that is size of the ones in Mac Pro?

If you read the Russian thread, they discovered that Air/MBP cards had different size than iMac.

I am starting to think that the xlr8yourmac guy doesn't read his emails.

I have written him two days in a row and no answer or fixing the erroneous summation on his site. He states that iMac uses Mini PCIE card which is part of why I ordered 4 of them thinking it would be easy to slap them in.

Apple no longer makes Mini PCIE Airport cards, the iMac ones look similar until you see them side by side.

Anyhow, I'm surprised more people aren't excited to get wireless ac in Mac Pro.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on February 26, 2014, 03:49:19 AM
Now you mention it, I cannot be certain….

I was told 'Yes, it's a mini pci-e card'… by people who really ought to have know better…

We now know different.

I sort of assumed that they (the connectors) would be the same u.fl connector as on any other airport card. They *look* the same, but I have not my card (like yours in the pics) through yet.

Re: Xlr8yourmac guy, I used to have quite a bit of back and forth emailing with him over the last decade or so - it's where I used to get my hacking about info from. Some time just after the last significant quake in Ca. things started slowing down on the site, rumour was that his place had suffered severe structural damage, costing mucho to put right - but xlr8yourmac as a site is nowhere near what it was sadly - luckily there's Netkas' and to an extent MR to publicise people's work…

Thinking back to the wifi card adaptor that you're working on for a moment - would it possible to create a soldering mask around the pin you're soldering, and then move it on to the next pin - it may work if you could stagger the wires on the length of the pin possibly?  - Sorry rambling…


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 26, 2014, 11:01:49 PM
Xlr8 has decided not to mention this card mod.

He quietly did correct his error about iMacs using Mini PCIE cards but has left in the error about Macs supporting 4352 cards.

So far there is not a single report of AC working in OSX on a 4352. Even with mods, you just end up with N support.

I guess since I'm not an advertiser he doesn't find this newsworthy.

Meanwhile, with the incorrect info he is passing along, more people will buy 4352 cards and wonder why they max out at 450.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on February 27, 2014, 12:05:15 AM
450Mb/s is but a dream for me at the moment…

After a little bit of plist editing I got the 4352 recognised - bad news only on 2.4ghz channels and fluctuating 54Mb/s connect speed to an 'N' Airport.

That XLR8yourmac report is/was at best inaccurate, but in my experience, wrong would be a better description - the edit required is pretty straightforward, but then I think how difficult it would be to describe to your typical MR poster….

Moving on(!)

Must find a 4360 card, or better still, a workable converter/adaptor for the reasonably readily available Apple cards - I found a couple of places, 1 on ebay, and another on AliExpress that do the PCI-E -> mPCI-E -> Apple Card adaptor like in the thread that started all this - bad news 106 -> 120 USD a piece. From what auto-translate made of the Taobao site, the adaptor on there was 30 USD-ish, but I could not work out how to order or whatever on that site at all :(


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 27, 2014, 03:36:41 AM
I haven't bothered with 4352 yet.

I have ordered those cables you linked to and will wait until I can completely test cards outside the Mac Pro.

Plugging the antennas on is far too difficult to be switching them out often.

Will be much easier when I can switch them out  OUTSIDE the Mac Pro.

So, I have a bunch of little bits coming to continue this project.

Looking at the various posts, nobody has ever gotten 4352 to run in "ac" mode, I think the reason so that it is listed as "working" is that everyone is reposting an original error post.

You should email Mike at XLR8 and let him know. He never even responded to my emails but I know he got it because he revised the iMac wording (without changing the "last updated" date)

His board was much more fun when he had a forum, even in it's final days when he didn't allow new members, the crusty old farts posts were fun.

Anyhow, my thoughts on 4352  are that it may or may not offer "ac" on Macs eventually. May require ref lashing with Apple id numbers. Perhaps those of the BCM94360CS2 from Air since it is a dual stream card. It may require more kext fiddling but it seems that right now this card is a dead end until serious work done on it.

In any case, XLR8 page should be corrected, especially as the MacRumours page links to it as a source of useful knowledge.


Title: Have a look at current variety of WiFI cards.
Post by: Rominator on February 28, 2014, 02:15:21 AM
Top Left is the BCM94360CSX which is for current MacBooks. It has WiFi ac and BT 4.0. Note the extra tiny antennae connectors. This is why the hacker guy had to build antennae extensions/change the connectors. This is a GOOD reason not to try to use in a Mini PCIE application. Also, there are only 3 connectors, so not sure how 3 antennas for ac and 1 more for BT connect.

To the right of that is the iMac 2013 card. BCM94360CD. This is the one I built into my Mac Pro. It has 4 antennae connectors that are same as prior Mac Pro cards. The pin outs line up with the card above.

Below these two is the "other" wireless ac card. This card is incorrectly reported on XLR8yourmac as being Mac compatible. To use in a Mac you need to mod a kext or two and the end result is an "N" card that can only use 2.4Ghz band. So, no "ac" support and REDUCED "N" support compared to other cards. There are threads with these "fixes" at OSXLatitude and on the russian board with similar fixes, neither of which which fully enables this card. I think that the BT works but haven't tested. Note that the antennas seem to do double duty, each being assigned 2 channels.

Next moving to the right (2 antennas and blue board) is the BCM94321MC. This is an early "N" card that only uses 2 antennas.

Finally on far right is AR5BXB112 a later "N" card (IIRC) that uses 3 antennas. It would seem that 3 would be better than 2 and I know this card connects at 450.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: armdn on February 28, 2014, 08:32:59 AM
At AppleLife we plan start to manufacture direct adaptors from Apple's cards to miniPCIe. With working BT too. Blueprints already done.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on February 28, 2014, 09:30:06 AM
I read the entire 25 pages before I busted out soldering iron.

I even had a friend who speaks Russian natively read through as well. Last post in that thread was me as of yesterday.

It is too bad that we can't just talk to the Chinese, obviously they have already designed and made two different forms of these adapters already.

I have ordered some from TaoBao but it is taking FOREVER to get them here.

The other thing that needs to happen is to create a market.

With most internet in US MUCH slower than "N" there is nothing that makes people want an "ac" card except nerd porn.

(I say as I look at my BCM94360CSX that I haven't put in my 2012 rMBP yet)

I got a huge thrill firing up 2009 Mac Pro running 2013 latest tech, especially knowing that there are probably less than 5 people on the planet with a Mac Pro and ac built into Mini PCIE slot. Sort of like when I first flashed a Fire GL X3 into a Mac X800XT in my G4 Quicksilver.

I have also spoken with a gentleman who wishes to make something similar for other Mac laptops that used a different connector.

I hope a solution comes up, soldering takes a long time and I would be upset if next one blows up or hurts Mac Pro logic board.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: toleda on February 28, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
BCM94352 5 GHz OK - Credit: Skvo
Post #249,
http://www.tonymacx86.com/network/104850-guide-airport-pcie-half-mini-v2-25.html#post772083


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on March 01, 2014, 12:01:28 AM
Great news !!!

To be clear, is it still necessary to do the install of your kexts as well as run this script or is it just this script needed?



Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on March 01, 2014, 01:57:52 AM

Just the script in my case.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on March 01, 2014, 04:04:00 AM

Just the script in my case.

So AC working ?

Time for me to give this a shot.

Hopefully the antennae extenders get here soon.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on March 01, 2014, 12:25:46 PM

Just the script in my case.

So AC working ?

Time for me to give this a shot.

Hopefully the antennae extenders get here soon.

AC? Not yet… My  err… AC Airport Extreme is still on its way from Apple  ;)

Whilst it is on its way I can confirm that 5ghz is working jolly nicely, even using the MP's internal antennas.

My Azurewave, like yours, is reporting exactly like the one on the Tony's thread, with lots of 5ghz channels higher in number than I've ever seen on a regular 5ghz card.


Title: New Patch works on 4352 !!!
Post by: Rominator on March 01, 2014, 11:08:10 PM
 I realize now that there is a reason not many are excited about putting "ac" into Mac Pros.

Nobody has AC base station/routers.

Here are all of the networks I can see from rMBP in living room.

Put ac card in it yesterday, wasn't as easy as I had hoped.

I literally have only "ac" network I can see, lots of people still on "G"

I am curious which of my neighbors has the "couch"

 Software Versions:
  CoreWLAN:   4.0 (400.45.1)
  CoreWLANKit:   3.0 (300.35)
  Menu Extra:   9.0 (900.34)
  System Information:   9.0 (900.8)
  IO80211 Family:   6.0 (600.34)
  Diagnostics:   3.0 (300.37)
  AirPort Utility:   6.3.2 (632.3)
  Interfaces:
en0:
  Card Type:   AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x112)
  Firmware Version:   Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (6.30.223.154.45)
  MAC Address:   60:03:08:9e:33:98
  Locale:   RoW
  Country Code:   US
  Supported PHY Modes:   802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
  Supported Channels:   1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64, 100, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 124, 128, 132, 136, 140, 144, 149, 153, 157, 161, 165
  Wake On Wireless:   Supported
  AirDrop:   Supported
  Status:   Connected
  Current Network Information:
Dpart 5GHz:
  PHY Mode:   802.11ac
  BSSID:   90:72:40:15:54:3f
  Channel:   149
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -51 dBm / -92 dBm
  Transmit Rate:   878
  MCS Index:   7
  Other Local Wi-Fi Networks:
our couch pulls out but we dont:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   c0:3f:0e:ec:4d:3b
  Channel:   8
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -72 dBm / -92 dBm
2WIRE028:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   60:c3:97:47:b8:c1
  Channel:   6
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -77 dBm / -92 dBm
2WIRE676:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   28:16:2e:1d:8a:19
  Channel:   1
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -69 dBm / -90 dBm
ATT848:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   e4:83:99:16:57:20
  Channel:   10
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -79 dBm / -92 dBm
Dpart:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   90:84:0d:ec:8f:c1
  Channel:   6
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -63 dBm / -92 dBm
Dpart:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   90:84:0d:f0:49:f9
  Channel:   6
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -47 dBm / -92 dBm
Dpart:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   90:72:40:15:54:3e
  Channel:   6
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -45 dBm / -92 dBm
Granny Net:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   00:0f:66:52:b7:c0
  Channel:   6
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -80 dBm / -92 dBm
KG-WIFI:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   dc:45:17:cd:b7:70
  Channel:   3
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -90 dBm / -86 dBm
SBG6580F5:
  PHY Mode:   802.11n
  BSSID:   1c:c6:3c:44:6e:5b
  Channel:   11
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -81 dBm / -92 dBm
michael1:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   00:24:56:2e:ad:b9
  Channel:   1
  Country Code:   US
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WEP
  Signal / Noise:   -73 dBm / -90 dBm
netgear:
  PHY Mode:   802.11g
  BSSID:   c0:3f:0e:04:8b:6e
  Channel:   1
  Network Type:   Infrastructure
  Security:   WPA/WPA2 Personal
  Signal / Noise:   -84 dBm / -90 dBm

Placed the 4352 in the 2009 and rebooted, No WFi

Installed Toleda's 4352 kext, got WiFi at ""N" (and crappy speeds)

Added the new "ac" patch and BINGO, got ac wireless.

Good job SKVO & Toleda


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on March 03, 2014, 02:33:58 AM

Re: The err… Ahem! 'couch' access point, check out your neighbour with the most children and Bingo!  ;D


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Squishy Tia on March 03, 2014, 03:40:13 AM
We may not have AC routers, but an AC wireless card that's supported and working properly will pull better speeds (when configured correctly) than most N cards would when connecting to an N network. And if the N router is one of the few that has beamforming capability, which is a standard/requirement for AC, the AC card would really pull more speed in a stable manner than even an N card of the same manufacturer as the router.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on March 03, 2014, 04:17:13 AM
Did another edit I found on a Hack site, now identifies as Airport Extreme instead of 3rd party wireless.

Sometimes seems a little sluggish but always reports connection speed above 500 so not sure it is the card.

Also just tried to put machine to sleep and twice in a row it woke up as soon as it went to sleep.

Will have to isolate if it is the card or something else.

Overall, the 94360 is a lot more trouble & $$$ up front but better supported and faster with less OS bother. (Exception being Windows, no drivers to be found except in latest Bootcamp. 4352 has drivers around.)

UPDATE: Including some more screens using WiFi Utilities analysis, not sure how to read them.

Nice seeing the 4360 called "Excellent" but that may have something to do with being 5 ft from the Airport. ;-)


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Robert Davies on March 04, 2014, 03:37:41 PM
My ac Airport Extreme arrived!

My Mac Pro has an AzureWave half pci-e mini card in place of the usual Airport card, it's a Broadcom 4352 card.

Following the hints and tips on this thread and the other Russian sources, I have hex edited the BCM4360 file in OS X Mavericks to enable 5ghz and got it to report as a 'genuine' Airport Extreme card - from 15ft away through two interior walls it reports a broadcast connection of 527Mb/s - Not bad, but not brilliant….

However, as reported elsewhere on t'internet, the connection speeds of my other 5ghz devices have taken a useful upwards hike since installing the ac Airport Extreme.

Was the AzureWave card worth it? As an interesting bit of hackery that taught me a bit more about my machine and Mavericks, yes. As a simple fit and forget solution? Errr… No.

The search goes on for a genuine mini pcie bcm 4360.

Interestingly, Apple usually try and spread the love with wireless cards between Broadcom and Atheros, but there appears to be no support for Atheros ac chipset solution in OSX - the QCA 9880 (which has a pci identifier of 168,003c) There's a Compex mini pci-e card kicking about with that chipset - WLE 900 - but it's unsupported, yet.


Title: 4352
Post by: Rominator on March 05, 2014, 05:04:36 AM
Hey, at least they finally figured out true ac speed for it.

I was peeved that I had bought 2 of them thinking I was getting a proven, solid card. Finding out that it was going to be a DOWNGRADE from my existing "N" cards was a let down.

The 4352 does require some hacks, but someone could put together a little package to do it all with a couple clicks.

It IS faster than previous plug in options for Mac Pro.

I have more bits and pieces coming from China, updates coming.


Title: Re: 4352
Post by: kennyman on March 06, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
Hey, at least they finally figured out true ac speed for it.

I was peeved that I had bought 2 of them thinking I was getting a proven, solid card. Finding out that it was going to be a DOWNGRADE from my existing "N" cards was a let down.

The 4352 does require some hacks, but someone could put together a little package to do it all with a couple clicks.

It IS faster than previous plug in options for Mac Pro.

I have more bits and pieces coming from China, updates coming.

Thanks for the update - correct me if I am wrong, you get only 867 Mbps at 2.5/5GHz 802.11ac with that card, am I right?

No bluetooth yet from it, at least on the classic mac pro.



Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on March 06, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
Yes, the 4352 is a 867 max card, like the one in MBA.

No Bluetooth yet, but looks easy enough to implement, I just don't use Bluetooth from MP much at all do I haven't bothered. When all the parts get here from China and I build #2 I'll probably do it just to do it.

Only thing I use BT for is a "Jam Box" that works great to do audio for iPod/iPad/iPhone.

I am always holding down option to switch boot disk, and I had trouble with BT.


Title: 10.9.3 borks the 4352
Post by: Rominator on March 07, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
Should have made a copy of my multi-modded kexts.

Ran the 10.9.3 update on the 4352 machine, lost all WiFi.

(Can you say "newbie"?)

Ran the fixes but perhaps kexts have changed or I had too much Cabernet.

Stuck at 2.4.

So I reverted to a 10.9.2 802 family kext and ran fixes, got 5ghz but wouldn't choose AC, stayed on N.

Now I remember why I was so happy to make the 94360 work.


Title: Re: 10.9.3 borks the 4352
Post by: Robert Davies on March 07, 2014, 10:44:03 PM
Should have made a copy of my multi-modded kexts.

Ran the 10.9.3 update on the 4352 machine, lost all WiFi.

(Can you say "newbie"?)

Ran the fixes but perhaps kexts have changed or I had too much Cabernet.

Stuck at 2.4.

So I reverted to a 10.9.2 802 family kext and ran fixes, got 5ghz but wouldn't choose AC, stayed on N.

Now I remember why I was so happy to make the 94360 work.

It borks it indeed!

I used the Applescripts at the end of the first post here: (looks like he's added another one to enable 5ghz AND Airport Extreme identifier)

…and my MP 1,1 connects to the ac again at 527Mb/s.

In my mind's eye I'm taken to the opening credits of The Simpsons where Bart is writing lines on the board

- only it's not Bart, it's me an I'm writing -

"I must backup my edited kexts before updating."

 ;D



Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: tobesuper2014 on October 23, 2014, 09:47:41 AM
i think i can help you do this wifi and bluetooth4.0 card adapter.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: raever on November 18, 2014, 03:42:24 PM
Keen to see the solution!  :o


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: madmarc on November 30, 2014, 07:35:25 PM
I ordered a kit for my Mac Pro 4.1 from OSXwifi.com.

In this kit, antenna extension for bluetooth is missing and you should connect an external USB cable for the missing bluetooth USB connection.

Not a very nice solution.

So I modified the kit. Bought an external antenna cable for BT. I only got female female connector, so I bought 2 male connectors for soldering and put the together to get a male male adapter.

Also I modified the stock cable for USB connection. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1748061 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1748061) here you can read how to modify the connector for USB connection.

Everything worked fine. Bluethooth 4.0 and Wifi.

I also looked for the connector at the motherboard, you can buy this alone if you don't want to cut the old connector.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: 2000one on October 03, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
Hi,

I just installed a BCM94360CD card in my MacPro1,1-->MacPro2,1

Bluetooth is working, WiFi is not.

There is no WiFi adapter shown in 10.9.5 System Profiler.
Win8 over Bootcamp is also not recognising any WiFi Devices, only the Bluetooth.

I tried to reseat the module in the adapter card and the adpter in the Mini-PCIe Slot on the logicboard, unfortunately no changes.

The bluetooth connection is working, feels a bit flaky from time to time. I have got a MacPro1,1 with mislabeled antennas, antenna #1 has been working great with the original BT Module 820-1696-A, so I connected that same antenna to J3/A3 on the new card.
Old WiFi card BCM94321MC / 0205335-A

After reading a lot in advance, I believe the card I bought should be working OOB without any USB/antenna modifications in the MacPro1,1.

But...on the BT side of the module following information is shown:

Chipset: 20702B0
Vendor ID: 0x05AC
Product ID: 0x828D

Handoff Supported: No  ???


The card is labeled as

Model: BCM94360CD
Part: Z653-0014 (is the Z a problem here  ??? )

So... am I missing some incompatibility thing here or do I have a misunderstanding about the functionality with MacPro1,1?
Is maybe the WiFi part on the card faulty?
Could the adapter be the problem?
Or did I just buy the wrong model?
Why is Handoff not supported?

Thanks very much for help and comments!



Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: mysticalos on October 04, 2015, 11:54:16 PM
I got a part that had that problem and the problem was it wasn't an APPLE OEM, it was actually a Dell of same part number.

That exact card was used in some dells and some sellers sold it not knowing difference.

The way to tell is to go to bluetooth transport under USB devices and make sure vendor is APPLE. if vendor is broadcom, it's not an Apple oem card. It's probably form a dell

Bluetooth USB Host Controller:

  Product ID:   0x828d
  Vendor ID:   0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)<-----
  Version:   1.12
  Speed:   Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer:   Apple Inc.
  Location ID:   0x14e30000 / 8
  Current Available (mA):   1000
  Current Required (mA):   0
  Extra Operating Current (mA):   0
  Built-In:   Yes



EDIT, actually yours is an apple too based on vendor id from that other screen shot. Strange.

This is mine

  Apple Bluetooth Software Version:   4.4.0f4 16320
  Hardware, Features, and Settings:
  Name:   Omega-4
  Address:   C8-E0-EB-43-1B-C8
  Bluetooth Low Energy Supported:   Yes
  Handoff Supported:   Yes
  Instant Hot Spot Supported:   Yes
  Manufacturer:   Broadcom
  Transport:   USB
  Chipset:   20702B0
  Firmware Version:   v112 c9036
  Bluetooth Power:   On
  Discoverable:   Off
  Connectable:   Yes
  Auto Seek Pointing:   Off
  Remote wake:   On
  Vendor ID:   0x05AC
  Product ID:   0x828D
  HCI Version:   0x6
  HCI Revision:   0x234C
  LMP Version:   0x6
  LMP Subversion:   0x4170
  Device Type (Major):   Computer
  Device Type (Complete):   Mac Desktop
  Composite Class Of Device:   0x380104
  Device Class (Major):   0x01
  Device Class (Minor):   0x01
  Service Class:   0x1C0
  Auto Seek Keyboard:   Off


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: 2000one on October 05, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
Thanks for your info!
Yes, my card also seems just right to me in the first place.

I will need to order another one plus adapter to crosscheck if one of these is just broken... will take another month or so due to shipping times from china and my absence from home in the coming weeks...

Will report back.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: Rominator on October 05, 2015, 11:24:38 PM
Hey, I have some info that may help. I think we all know that Apple doesn't sell these things in China so that they can be imported to US.

More then likely they are getting smuggled out of factories in people's socks, etc to supplement their $2/day pay.

I once got a box of 60 of these from which only 3 cards were fully functional. The rest had one or the other part that had pre-release versions of the chips. So, similar chip, but device id not in the drivers. More then likely a kext hack adding the device id would have fixed them but the whole reason to buy these cards is to take advantage of their being 100% supported.

If and when these cards get tested, they are likely tested in Windows where one device id is just like another. So it is difficult for seller to test accuaratelly know about OS X function. (especially if they have sock lint on them)


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: 2000one on November 29, 2015, 12:52:43 PM
As promised my update on my WiFi/Bluetooth situation with adapter part# Z653-0014.

After leaving the MacPro1,1 for a while like it was, still with my Bluetooth-only card mounted loosely, I flashed another graphics card in the computer.

After switching the GPUs suddenly I had WiFi and everything was in working order like it should be.

I then needed to swap BT labeled antenna and 1 labeled antenna, because my antennas in the MacPro1,1 are mislabeled. The Bluetooth antenna (antenna labeled 1 in my case) should connect to J3, the second connector from the left when you have the connectors facing you on top of the card. You can test with a BT mouse stepping away from the Mac while moving the cursor. If the connection is stuttering while moving to the other corner of the room it is likely that the wrong antenna connects to J3. The module and antenna should provide smooth mouse tracking even 3 or 4 meters away from the Mac. Maybe even more...

After a few successful reboots with my optimized antenna configuration I wanted to screw everything in place.
I fiddled adapter, card and antennas in place for final mounting and tightened the screws.

Of course I had NO WiFi again after rebooting the tidied up case after the final fitting of the adapter.

Now I knew that the correct connection of the card has been the problem all the time and I came to the conclusion that the connection and seating in the adapter is the weak spot here. I must have touched the assembly while switching graphics cards. And must have changed the position of it during my optimizations. Even if the module feels tight and correctly seated it may not provide a fully working card. Even a minimal change in position, or just the tightening of a mounting screw gave me varying WiFi functionality.  I also noted that the contacts on my card got some damage from the adapter from all the seating and reseating. Cheap crap!

So better double and triple check with adapters like mine and don't give up... I could only get this working by trial and error. There is no indication of a proper card seating in my adapter. Maybe this is a problem only with my adapter being defective, but after quick research it seems that a correct positioning or reseating of those cards and adapters can solve issues very often.


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: 2000one on April 27, 2016, 08:53:01 AM
Hi there,

Does anyone know if I could solder a cable for bluetooth connection in MacPro4,1 or MacPro5,1 to this adapter here:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8385.0;attach=3759;image
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8385.0;attach=3761;image

Which one would be D+ and D-?

And since I do not want to modify the connector cable (922-8962 Apple Bluetooth Cable (to-Backplane Board) For Mac pro) is anyone there who knows what kind of connection this is on Backplane side or which connector I could get to adapt to the cable on Bluetooth card side?
or is this thing an Apple exclusive connection?

Thanks for input!


Title: Re: Native Wireless 802 ac Wifi in a Mac Pro via original Mini PCIE slot WORKING !!!
Post by: 2000one on May 14, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
Ok, looks like I needed another adapter. The R1 solder points did not seem to be of any use for bluetooth.


The connector
922-8962 Apple Bluetooth Cable (to-Backplane Board) For Mac pro

has most likely a
JST SH CONNECTOR Model No. SHR-04V-S-B (http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eSH.pdf)

on the Backplane Board side.

If you search eBay for
jst sh 4 pin

you will find pre-crimped connectors with cables.

I didn't order one yet, since the 2 pin cables that came with my chinese adapter card have SH connectors as well and they fit into the 4 pin socket on the Backplane Board of the Mac.