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Title: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: tomtomgps on July 09, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
Has anyone tried installing apfs on a mac pro 4.1 with the latest public beta?


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Synchro03andsoon on July 10, 2017, 12:18:52 AM
Has anyone tried installing apfs on a mac pro 4.1 with the latest public beta?

Afaik the latest Beta has not yet APFS support for Mac Pro 5,1 (4,1 flashed).

See also this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/will-there-be-nvme-booting-efi-for-2010-mac-pro-on-high-sierra.2054356/#post-24780175


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: 2000one on August 29, 2017, 08:16:14 PM
looks like installation and EFI firmware upgrade will work on flashed MacPro4,1 according to the comment of a user here (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.macg.co%2Fcomment%2F1766389%23comment-1766389&edit-text=&act=url&act=url)

maybe it would be wise to save a beta installer to be able to upgrade the firmware in the future in case apple removes the EFI updater compatibility with flashed MacPro4,1 computers....


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: h9826790 on September 12, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
In fact, I recommend do the firmware upgrade now (for any 5,1 that not belongs to 2012 model). I did it already, it's easy. Just run the beta installer, perform the firmware upgrade, and then once reboot, discontinue the beta OS installation.

Even the OS is beta, but there is no evidence that the firmware is a beta firmware. And absolute zero issue from the firmware so far. So, very safe to do it now.

I have 99.99% confidence that the official release will work on the flashed 4,1 exactly the same as the native 2012 Mac Pro. But just in case Apple really did something to block any non 2012 model, we still already done the firmware upgrade.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on September 12, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
In fact, I recommend do the firmware upgrade now (for any 5,1 that not belongs to 2012 model). I did it already, it's easy. Just run the beta installer, perform the firmware upgrade, and then once reboot, discontinue the beta OS installation.

Even the OS is beta, but there is no evidence that the firmware is a beta firmware. And absolute zero issue from the firmware so far. So, very safe to do it now.

I have 99.99% confidence that the official release will work on the flashed 4,1 exactly the same as the native 2012 Mac Pro. But just in case Apple really did something to block any non 2012 model, we still already done the firmware upgrade.

Not working for me on native 5,1 even with EFI GPU. System does not reboot after clicking "Shutdown" button.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: tomtomgps on September 12, 2017, 11:18:10 PM
Thats normal.  You have to power it back on and keep holding the power button  until you see the power light start to flicker and hear the  beep sound. After that the  firmware update will start. Don't turn off your Mac Pro at any moment it will turn off by itself. 


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on September 13, 2017, 10:23:12 AM
Thats normal.  You have to power it back on and keep holding the power button  until you see the power light start to flicker and hear the  beep sound. After that the  firmware update will start. Don't turn off your Mac Pro at any moment it will turn off by itself.  

I did that and it just normally booted the OS despite that special beep and holding the power button.

I need to wait for the final version.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: lowrider on September 13, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
^^^^Worked for everyone else.  You need to read this page of this thread:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.1140.html

And an EFI GPU is a requirement.

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: h9826790 on September 14, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Thats normal.  You have to power it back on and keep holding the power button  until you see the power light start to flicker and hear the  beep sound. After that the  firmware update will start. Don't turn off your Mac Pro at any moment it will turn off by itself.  

I did that and it just normally booted the OS despite that special beep and holding the power button.

I need to wait for the final version.

Do you have the 5,1 firmware now? What's you actually boot ROM version?


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on September 14, 2017, 01:37:23 PM
Yes, it's native 5,1.

I'm on MP51.88Z.007F.B03.1010071432


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: eVasilis on September 14, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
^^^^Worked for everyone else.  You need to read this page of this thread:

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.1140.html

And an EFI GPU is a requirement.

Lou

Hi there,

I have an old GT 120 with mac EFI (it is EFI, right?). Can I upgrade my mac pro's (native 2010) firmware?

Thanks


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: lowrider on September 14, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
^^^^Yes!

Lou


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: eVasilis on September 14, 2017, 08:28:09 PM
^^^^Yes!

Lou

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: HaraldSt on January 09, 2018, 02:03:58 AM
Has anyone tried installing apfs on a mac pro 4.1 with the latest public beta?
I have been running 10.13 on my 5,1 since beta. The required EFI flash for APFS boot happened during one of the late betas and worked fine with my flashed GV-R797OC-3GD GPU. Since I run an SSD on a FASTA card as boot drive, it normally will update that card on install.
I found that boot times went from 13s to 3 min! I also ran into sleep problem with 10.13.2 unrelated to APFS.

I wiped the disk, formatted with HFS+, installed Sierra and then upgraded to 10.13.1 for now. I have a test partition with the betas to see, when it is safe to upgrade further.

Overall performance is not very different except for that boot issue, file copy (clone,) and some other things like changing owner ship over a hierarchy, which is really fast.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: h9826790 on January 09, 2018, 08:29:49 AM
Disable TRIM can fix the boot time issue (and may be a few oter annoying bugs e.g. Finder micro freeze)

Has anyone tried installing apfs on a mac pro 4.1 with the latest public beta?
I have been running 10.13 on my 5,1 since beta. The required EFI flash for APFS boot happened during one of the late betas and worked fine with my flashed GV-R797OC-3GD GPU. Since I run an SSD on a FASTA card as boot drive, it normally will update that card on install.
I found that boot times went from 13s to 3 min! I also ran into sleep problem with 10.13.2 unrelated to APFS.

I wiped the disk, formatted with HFS+, installed Sierra and then upgraded to 10.13.1 for now. I have a test partition with the betas to see, when it is safe to upgrade further.

Overall performance is not very different except for that boot issue, file copy (clone,) and some other things like changing owner ship over a hierarchy, which is really fast.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Zodi on February 23, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
Maybe a little of topic, but I ask several time the Apple service about High Sierra and RAID systems.
The boot disk of my MacPro is s Sonnet 2 x 512GB SSD Raid0

Now I received the unbelievable response from the developer team:

Apple engineering provided the following feedback regarding this issue:
There are no plans to allow High Sierra installation on RAID volumes. What other questions do you have?

It's a pity, this should be a modern OS?

I'm sad but I flipped now back to 10.12.6 till? we will see...

KR Zodiac


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on February 24, 2018, 11:44:46 PM
That's correct. You have to use some hardware solution like Areca RAID controller etc. then you will be OS independent.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Zodi on February 25, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
I started to think about a hardware Raid controller, but can I install it to a MacPro?
The hard disks a connected without cable :-(

And I use now a Sonnet Tempo Pro with two 2,5" SSD in Raid0, can I use this card with a hardware raid controller also?


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on February 27, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
If you can disconnect these drives from that board then yes.

I've been using IcyDock MB998SP-B with 8x 2,5" SSD's inside one of optical bays. All you need to do is to put 2x miniSAS cables through a small hole inside optical bay. I was running RAID30 on it and all was working well.

In case you wish to use internal drive bays then you can use this: http://www.maxupgrades.com/istore/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=189&ParentCat=414


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Zodi on February 27, 2018, 05:02:01 PM
I installed now an Areca raid card ARC-1214-4i, but I'm waiting for some power cables and 2 x 1TB Samsung 860 SSD

will see what happened.
The web interface is nice :-)


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Zodi on March 05, 2018, 09:43:14 PM
My new raid controller is running well (see picture) I've only one issue,
I don't have a boot menu anymore?!

I get only a grey screen and mouse pointer, but no drive to select...

has one of you and idea?

I made 10 P-Ram resets in between, without success


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: h9826790 on March 09, 2018, 08:52:26 PM
I bet it's the Tempo card causing the issue. Try remove the SSD on the Tempo card and boot only with the new hardware RAID card.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Spacedust on March 12, 2018, 12:30:48 AM
My new raid controller is running well (see picture) I've only one issue,
I don't have a boot menu anymore?!

I get only a grey screen and mouse pointer, but no drive to select...

has one of you and idea?

I made 10 P-Ram resets in between, without success

Welcome to Areca world - such cards are slowing Mac Pro as hell on boot. I had 4 of these in the past! If you would have normal PC BIOS on it you will long BIOS messages like Waiting for F/W to become ready, Testing PCI bus functionality, then displaying all card and RAID information, then finally booting...

I've just ordered a new Seagate Nytro XP6302 3.5 TB for Windows BootCamp usage and it was booting slow as hell. Resume from standby took serval seconds. The worst thing is it's detected as PCI-Express 1.1 8x card inside Mac Pro so it work very slow and it was ultra hot :(

So I decided to come back to my ultra rare Corerise Comay BladeDrive E28 800 GB drive and it boots ultra fast, resume is almost instant and it works on PCIe 2.0 8x so at full speed inside Mac Pro + it has an ultra large heatsink with backplate so it's almost cold when used.


Title: Re: Mac Pro 4.1 / 5.1 apfs compatibiliaty
Post by: Zodi on March 22, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
I bet it's the Tempo card causing the issue. Try remove the SSD on the Tempo card and boot only with the new hardware RAID card.

You won the bet  ;)

I deinstalled the Sonnet card and the boot menu is back