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Title: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: darthsian on April 06, 2017, 03:48:29 PM
YES!!! Finally  ;D

"Open to Mac Community
 
Speaking of users, we’re also making the new TITAN Xp open to the Mac community with new beta Pascal drivers, coming this month. For the first time, this gives Mac users access to the immense horsepower delivered by our award-winning Pascal-powered GPUs."

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/04/06/titan-xp/ (https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/04/06/titan-xp/)


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: tomtomgps on April 06, 2017, 04:11:01 PM
yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 06, 2017, 04:29:00 PM
Fantastic news!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 06, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
So they were waiting to release all cards from the Pascal line. Nobody expected Titan Xp, so everyone guessed there will be no more Mac drivers after 1080Ti release.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: etc on April 06, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
Yeah, baby!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: rwalker on April 06, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
Excellent. First ray of hope from the Apple camp in a long time.  I'm wondering now -- will my 780ti coexist with my 1080ti under the new drivers?


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 06, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
Excellent. First ray of hope from the Apple camp in a long time.  I'm wondering now -- will my 780ti coexist with my 1080ti under the new drivers?

It should. Just make sure to provide external power for the second card.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: mysticalos on April 06, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
Yes, that is good news. I know they've had them running/working since december/january. Had even heard they should have been out in late jan early feb from reliable sources, and then nothing happened. Never got a reason. Were they too buggy, did apple stonewall them. It's nice to finally see whatever the issue, they finally got passed it. I do hope they are quicker with 11 series though. I really want to get a GPU when it's new, not later life cycle. I truly only want to drop 500+ on a new card if it JUST came out, otherwise I feel like I'm not getting most bang for buck.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: JronMasteR on April 06, 2017, 09:52:20 PM
Just amazing news this week.
The cMP will live on and stay strong, and there is hope that we will see a real professional mac pro next year.
Exiting news


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: lastExile on April 07, 2017, 01:11:10 AM
Sweet!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 07, 2017, 06:01:35 AM
When these nVidia drivers appear, will Rominator and friends develop the efi rom to flash Pascal cards for the cMP?  In a couple of previous posts, I got the feeling that the efi rom was already done and the wait was for nVidia to finally play ball.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: lowrider on April 07, 2017, 06:08:46 AM
^^^^From what I know, that's the plan. 

Lou


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 07, 2017, 08:50:38 AM
http://www.macvidcards.com/blog


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: ClassicMartini on April 07, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
Yuge!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 07, 2017, 02:15:51 PM
http://www.macvidcards.com/blog

These cards without drivers won't even boot, so your EFI must be working well. Great job!

I wonder how all these unflashed users update their systems. You always need to have a supported flashed/original card to finish the update and install new NVIDIA drivers.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 07, 2017, 10:29:15 PM
Will have Pascal Titan-X screenies up soon, Should have Xp and 1080Ti as well.

Exciting time for Mac folks.

One last hurrah for 4,1/5,1 and another boost for eGPU.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 07, 2017, 11:26:13 PM
One last hurrah for 4,1/5,1 and another boost for eGPU.

It would be interesting to see if Mac Pro 4,1/5,1 CPU's (even the best ones X5690) would be a bottleneck for Titan Xp and if there will be any visible difference in performance between PCI-Express 1.1 (before flashing) or 2.0 (after flashing) on Windows. So powerful card might fully saturate the PCI-Express 2.0 slot.

Example for GTX980:

(https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/perfrel_2560.gif)


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Stork on April 11, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
Pascal drivers are out, and they're not beta!

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/378/WebDriver-378.05.05.05f01.pkg


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 11, 2017, 02:42:23 AM
Downloaded and testing !

OpenGl on 4,1/5,1 may have hit brick wall, 1080 getting same score in Valley as 780 and Maxwell cards.

No CUDA yet.

Still exciting times

1080Ti and Titan Xp still enroute, just need to find my Pascal Titan-X.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: karaluchy on April 11, 2017, 09:31:35 AM
whoa, that's weird, so there is a long way for nvidia to bring us the true performance of Pascal cards  :-\


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: eVasilis on April 11, 2017, 11:08:47 AM
Well, I thought that with opengl being phased out what matters is either opencl or vulcan. I am not an expert, I could be very wrong.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Asgorath on April 11, 2017, 04:40:20 PM
whoa, that's weird, so there is a long way for nvidia to bring us the true performance of Pascal cards  :-\

No, you have to understand that OpenGL is dead and Apple's design has been terrible from the start, which makes it impossible for high-end GPUs to actually run at their full power.  Focus on Metal benchmarks if you want to see how well these cards are running.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: tomtomgps on April 11, 2017, 06:50:00 PM
the f1 2016 game has been ported to Mac with metal support. Maybe try comparing the results with both cards?


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: lowrider on April 11, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
New Cuda Driver here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-cuda-8.0.81-driver.html

Lou


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: mysticalos on April 12, 2017, 12:49:08 AM
Initial testing shows metal performance is actually a little worse than previous driver. FPS is same but it feels like the caching stutter problem from before is actually back. did at least 3 hours of testing with wow and the game never really felt smooth as it did with previous driver. the micro stuttering and smoothness of turning camera was jerky like it was prior to the caching fix. It might not nessesarily be same issue but I'd still hope nvidia checks to make sure that fix was checked into the pascal branch of driver.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 12, 2017, 09:54:58 AM
Downloaded and testing !

OpenGl on 4,1/5,1 may have hit brick wall, 1080 getting same score in Valley as 780 and Maxwell cards.

No CUDA yet.

Still exciting times

1080Ti and Titan Xp still enroute, just need to find my Pascal Titan-X.

It seems only Sierra 10.12.4 is supported. El Capitan and older are stuck on Maxwell cards.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: netkas on April 12, 2017, 07:56:44 PM
Is it only me?
with pascal drivers, the mouse pointer is orange where it's supposed to be white.
gtx1080


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: elpopo64 on April 12, 2017, 10:42:17 PM
I cannot get my ASUS GTX 1080 working on my Mac Pro 2009 (5,1), Sierra 10.12.4
After installing the latest web drivers and rebooting it does not activate the drivers (it says no kext loaded).
I am only able to see something using its original AMD GPU and the GTX as second card.
With only the GTX, it boots, but then I can only connect ssh from another computer to check, no video. And also screen sharing, it connect but then only spinning disk, no graphic.

I do something wrong? Doeas the GTX 1080 only works on a hackintosh?

Elpopo


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 12, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
99.999% of these issues are operator error

drivers & power cables


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 12, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
OT but anyone know a supplier of supplemental PSUs that fit in the 5.25 bay?  The SFP BoosterX5 is no longer made and neither is the EP flavor of the same thing.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 14, 2017, 10:14:00 AM
OT but anyone know a supplier of supplemental PSUs that fit in the 5.25 bay?  The SFP BoosterX5 is no longer made and neither is the EP flavor of the same thing.

Thermaltake was also making such PSUs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThermalTake-Power-Express-Purepower-Graphic-Card-Power-Supply-250W-W0099RU-/272629074942?hash=item3f79f58bfe:g:MykAAOSwmgJY7sWJ


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 14, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
There is a thread at MR where someone opened up the cMP PSU and added lines


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Squishy Tia on April 15, 2017, 04:40:43 AM
There is a thread at MR where someone opened up the cMP PSU and added lines

Heh. Given those parts are no longer made and are unavailable from within GSX (except the 2012 models and that's just whatever stock remains until they're gone), I wouldn't risk destroying the one component that's allowing the computer to run. :P


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 15, 2017, 09:51:28 AM
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/

Keep in mind that I was referring to using the internal power plugs, as that is what 99.9% of people I deal with use.

Can you run a 4kw light in your bedroom?

Not from wall outlet, but if you tap into circuit breaker box there is enough current.

Same with cMP, there is 1kw inside PSU, trick is getting power from there to Pascal Titan


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 15, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/

Keep in mind that I was referring to using the internal power plugs, as that is what 99.9% of people I deal with use.

Can you run a 4kw light in your bedroom?

Not from wall outlet, but if you tap into circuit breaker box there is enough current.

Same with cMP, there is 1kw inside PSU, trick is getting power from there to Pascal Titan

The hole inside Mac Pro 4,1/5,1 is way smaller than it was in 1,1/2,1/3,1, but I was able to push two 1 meters long miniSAS to 4x SATA cables to my IcyDock ToughArmor MB998SP-B and fit 8x SSD in a space of one optical bay ;)


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: mysticalos on April 15, 2017, 08:41:25 PM
I finally rolled back from 378 pascal driver to previous 10.12.4 driver from 367 and metal performance is back to where it should be. the pascal driver has some serious issues right now with metal and micro suttering that just makes the driver unusable for me on my 980ti. my only concern is i will no longer have this option with 10.12.5 so hopefully by then nvidia has fixed this issue. if you do not actually have a pascal card and do use metal applications (not really many of them yet besides blizzard games), you should probably avoid pascal driver for now. it's a big fat no.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 15, 2017, 09:08:59 PM
It's probably a beta but wrongly marked as stable.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: mysticalos on April 16, 2017, 12:16:46 AM
It's probably a beta but wrongly marked as stable.
nah, they are force seeding it to 16E195 via control panel too. I had to disable update notification for it using older driver already. So it is a release, just one that failed metal QA somehow. or maybe since pascal was push they didn't actually check if there were regressions for 700 and 900 series GPUs. Plus I am hearing at least for opengl things seem normal as well so unless QA played world of warcraft specifically using metal specifically using 700 or 900 series gpu, they wouldn't have noticed the driver is a huge step backwards. So missing it is completely understandable.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 16, 2017, 03:48:18 AM
Thanks for the link.  There are a few secondhand ones around on ebay but I'd like to buy a new PSU if I could b/c they wear out and if I'm going to spend several hundred on a new high-end GPU, it would be nice to have good clean power to it.

I'll look for the link to run a new line out of the Mac PSU too.

OT but anyone know a supplier of supplemental PSUs that fit in the 5.25 bay?  The SFP BoosterX5 is no longer made and neither is the EP flavor of the same thing.

Thermaltake was also making such PSUs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThermalTake-Power-Express-Purepower-Graphic-Card-Power-Supply-250W-W0099RU-/272629074942?hash=item3f79f58bfe:g:MykAAOSwmgJY7sWJ


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 16, 2017, 07:27:33 AM
It's like 3 posts up


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 16, 2017, 10:33:02 AM
Thanks—I missed it first time.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 18, 2017, 07:19:21 AM
If new Pascal cards in old cMP 4,1 and 5,1 units is going to be a trend until 2019, this PSU issue is going to need sorting.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: eVasilis on April 18, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
Is an external psu out of the question?


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Rominator on April 18, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
I've ordered some SATA to PCIE cables, I'll see what happens.

Pixlas mod me be best answer for long term

Need to get more feedback from others with Pascal Titan cards

dp


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Squishy Tia on April 19, 2017, 04:53:50 AM
I've ordered some SATA to PCIE cables, I'll see what happens.

Pixlas mod me be best answer for long term

Need to get more feedback from others with Pascal Titan cards

dp

The problem isn't the mod itself, but the level of skill needed to perform the mod. Even using the clamps the mod goes well beyond the vast majority of users' capabilities, and given peoples' tendancy to fudge even step by step instructions combined with Apple having used ALL BLACK wiring, I'd be hesitant, to say the least, to advise the average Joe to mod a PSU, especially when they aren't being made anymore. Whatever stock Apple has left in GSX is it - once they're gone, they're gone.

It would be nice if new units of 5.25" bay external PSUs were easy to find for the Mac Pro crowd. I'd be kind of unnerved by upwards of 150 watts travelling through SATA wiring, but especially those tiny pins.

Those Mac Pro PSUs would be a lot more replaceable if Apple hadn't embedded the SATA data+power backplane into the PSU's lines. Unless of course each of those backplanes' power segment is connected via a PCIe type connector like on a modular PC PSU, in which case you'd have instant access to virtually any PSU on the market so long as it's modular.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Fl0r!an on April 19, 2017, 08:02:37 AM
Using 2x SATA->6pin PCIE and 2x Mini-6pin -> 8pin PCIE should be save even for most powerful GPUs. If I recall correctly, a single SATA connector is supposed to provide up to ~50W.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Squishy Tia on April 19, 2017, 09:07:14 AM
Using 2x SATA->6pin PCIE and 2x Mini-6pin -> 8pin PCIE should be save even for most powerful GPUs. If I recall correctly, a single SATA connector is supposed to provide up to ~50W.

That might be somewhat OK for separate SATA connectors, but Apple's are two connectors on a single line, meaning the full current draw for both would come from the same line. And since PCIe 6-pin connectors are meant for 75w, not 50w, that's an additional 50w over the 100w the lines are designed for. At full load that'd be like pulling a Polaris 480 before it got the PCIe current limit fix through the lines. The PSU itself can handle it. Probably not two of these GPUs, but at least one easily. It's the lines themselves I'd be worried about. The GPU will draw whatever it draws - it's rated for that. I wouldn't want any optical drive (or anything at all really) on the same SATA line as the one I'm using to power the GPU. I sure as hell wouldn't want that kind of power surge going through the same line as any other equipment.

I guess we'll find out soon enough from Rommy whether or not it's stable for long term use.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Fl0r!an on April 19, 2017, 12:56:53 PM
The SATA power lines shouldn't be an issue. Not sure what Apple has used in the cMP, but SATA power wires are usually around 0.5mm^2 or 0.75mm^2, which is sufficient for 12A resp. 15A (144 ... 180W @12V).

Attaching a single PCIE 6pin to such a line (using two SATA connectors) should be perfectly fine even with additional SATA devices. The remaining 8pin can be connected by using the two onboard 6pin PCIE connectors.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: Spacedust on April 19, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
There is still no report from anyone using normal CPU's. All of these Macs were upgraded to X5690's.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 19, 2017, 11:55:29 PM
I think we need to ask FSP to resume production of the BoosterX5  :D


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: lowrider on April 20, 2017, 05:46:59 AM
Update Pascal driver released tonight:

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/378/WebDriver-378.05.05.05f02.pkg

Fixes Metal.

Lou


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 20, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
These nVidia webdriver and cuda packages install fine on an 8-core 3.24 GHz cMP3.1 running 10.12.4 using DosDude's hacks currently with an AMD RX 460.  I wonder if pulling the 460 and adding a GTX 1080 would boot and produce interesting results?


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: DarthnVader on April 20, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
Update Pascal driver released tonight:

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/378/WebDriver-378.05.05.05f02.pkg

Fixes Metal.

Lou


Doesn't fix a JEPG issue with my Quadro 600

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2942/33772490980_3fe54b70e8_b.jpg)

Seemingly al JEPG's are rendered into small colored blocks.



Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: mysticalos on April 20, 2017, 03:17:30 PM
Update Pascal driver released tonight:

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/378/WebDriver-378.05.05.05f02.pkg

Fixes Metal.

Lou
testing it now, it's not fixed. i might be better than it was, but still performs worse than 367. i'm still getting a noticeable amount of micro stuttering that I do not get with older driver.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 21, 2017, 12:08:10 AM
No opinions?

These nVidia webdriver and cuda packages install fine on an 8-core 3.24 GHz cMP3.1 running 10.12.4 using DosDude's hacks currently with an AMD RX 460.  I wonder if pulling the 460 and adding a GTX 1080 would boot and produce interesting results?


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: aledesma on April 29, 2017, 03:06:21 AM
Hi guys,

I have a nvida 1060 founders edition running the latest web driver Nvidia Web Driver - 378.05.05.05f02 - Has anybody had issue with drivers after the computers wakes from sleep? Everything is choppy and slow. A reboot seems to fix it but in the mean time I have installed back my trusty old gt120. It gives me bootscreens and is working with my 3440*1440 ultrawide monitor for basic browsing and office work. Obviously I would like to leverage the GPU for FCPX, Lightroom, Photoshop etc... But I guess the Nvidia drivers are not ready for prime time even though they finally enable the pascal cards.


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: lowrider on April 29, 2017, 03:19:24 AM
^^^^I have no issues with my Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 1080 flashed by Rominator.

Lou



Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: aledesma on April 29, 2017, 03:35:31 AM
^^^^I have no issues with my Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 1080 flashed by Rominator.

Lou



Thanks for your response. I have no idea what the problem can be. I assumed that the that the reference nvidia card would have the least problems, perhaps I assumed wrong. while it was in my pc it was working perfectly. I also have an evga 1050ti in my sons pc I should try it as well to compare. Its the strangest thing!


Title: Re: NVIDIA - new beta Pascal drivers
Post by: nekton1 on April 29, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
And the charge for the efi flash was?



^^^^I have no issues with my Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 1080 flashed by Rominator.

Lou